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Vernon Holt
07-16-2005, 03:03 PM
With the American Chestnut having been brought up on another forum, I thought it might be of interest to some to know more of the saga of the American Chestnut.

Prior to the demise of the Chestnut cir. 1920, this tree constituted about one third of the forest make-up in the mountain Counties of N. Ga. Not only was it numerous, but the versatility of the tree is unequaled today by any other tree.

The wood of the tree was saturated with tannins which rendered it very resistent to decay. Because of this the wood was utilized by early mountain people for many outdoor applications. Logs were split into fence rails which were used to make zig zag "rail fences". These fences were essential in keeping livestock out of cultivated fields. All homes and farm buildings were covered with Chestnut Shakes (shingles) which were hand rived (split) from large blocks of Chestnut. Gardens were fenced with "palings" which is essentially a picket fence with the pickets spaced closely together. The palings were Chestnut. Early bridges were all made with chestnut stringers and decking. In many instances the entire log house was made of hand hewn Chestnut logs. This durable and strong wood would routinely last 50 to 75 years even when fully exposed to the elements.

The wildlife value of this tree was immeasurable. The tree produced heavy crops of nutrient rich nuts. These nuts were relished by every creature of the forest. The nuts had a tough waxy shell which resisted decay. As a result they would lay on the ground without deteriorating until consumed. Nuts might be available to wildlife all winter long. Deer and turkeys would always be in prime condition when taken by hunters.

Livestock was kept on "open range". This means that they were free to forage wherever they found preferred feed. When Chestnuts were dropping, cattle, horses, and hogs would range into mountain areas where nuts were plentiful. Livestock would get slick and fat off of this fare. Hogs fed on Chestnuts was superior to corn fed hogs when butchered.

There was an unlimited market for chestnuts. They were shipped by the barrell to Eastern Markets. Mountain families availed themselves of this opportunity by loading their families, along with suitable containers in the farm wagon and headed to the mountains. They spent the entire day gathering Chestnuts. My Dad related how they would look for a fallen log that lay parallel to the slope. Often they would gather 2 or 3 bushels on the upper side of such a log. Cash from the sale of the nuts provided essentials for the family at a time when cash was hard to come by in the mountains.

It is an understatement to say that the loss of the American Chestnut was catastropic to Mountain People as well as the Wildlife Resource.

Virtually all of the information quoted in this post was related to me by my Father as I was growing up. He grew up in Gilmer County and witnessed first hand the tragic loss of the chestnut.

One of my earliest memories is of riding with my Dad through the mountains and looking at the mass of dead trees, still standing. Things have never been the same in the mountains.

Vernon

CAL
07-16-2005, 03:23 PM
Mr.Holt,

This is a grand read and thanks for posting.Being a woodworker,I know the value of the chestnut and its qualities.I also know it is hard to come by if a person wants some to work with.I have tried to buy some in the past to no avail.Thanks again for posting,I really enjoyed the information and your memories.

Jriley
07-16-2005, 09:48 PM
If someone could come up with a strain of chestnut that was resistant to the chestnut blight it would really improve North Georgia hunting. From what I understand root sprouts still come up from some of the old stumps, but before they get up too high they develop the disease.

No. GA. Mt. Man
07-17-2005, 07:30 AM
Maybe Mr. Vernon knows but wasn't Chestnut used for Tan Bark? I remember my daddy saying they would cut down trees and peel them and sell the bark to be used in tanning. I am pretty sure he said the tan bark was from Chestnut and alot of trees were just left to rot after they got the bark.

Holton
07-17-2005, 02:21 PM
Very good reading .....Thank you.

hogman2
07-17-2005, 08:35 PM
Now our other mountain trees are threatened. Sudden oak death has been introduced from China and could eliminate the Oak forests in as little as ten years if it gains a foothold. And, I just read in the Ellijay paper about an insect from Japan that is infesting the Hemlocks that rise so magnificently from the creek bottoms, the only know defense for these in a beetle that feeds on them and no telling what else... :huh:

feathersnantlers
07-19-2005, 06:41 AM
I read somewheres where they breed the Am. Chestnut with the Chinese Chestnut enough where it is blight resistant but yet far enough removed to still be considered American.

Mr. Vernon any comment on this. Is it real? Will we have Chestnut trees again in the USA?

Thanks

Al33
07-19-2005, 07:17 AM
http://acf.org/

Vernon Holt
07-19-2005, 11:55 AM
Mountain Man: It is true that Chestnut Bark was highly prized for it's high content of tannin (tannic acid). The bark was boiled and the residual liquid was used as the main ingredient in the leather tanning process. It is also true that the dead wood itself was logged, cut in short lengths (as in pulpwood), loaded on rail cars and shipped to extracting plants. This accounts for the absence of Chestnut remains in N. Ga. today. A visit to the Smokies will allow one to view first hand the durability of the wood. Huge logs remain on National Park Land where they fell 75 years ago.

Cal mentioned the value of Chestnut Wood to the woodworker today. This is true. As far as I know, the remaining source for Chestnut Lumber is from old barns which are torn down. If you happened to have such a barn you can name your own price (call me for a bid). I should mention that I have a friend on Woody's who recently presented me with a well crafted Wormy Chestnut turkey box call. Sounds good too. How's that for a friend!! Won't mention his name for fear of him being besieged with requests.

It is true that the Hemlock tree is in immenent danger from a tiny insect which was introduced into this country from abroad. The Hemlock is not highly significant as a timber tree but it sure adds to the beauty of the mountains. I would recommend a drive down Noontootley Creek and Coopers Creek and enjoy the sight of these massive trees. They may not be there many years.

There is always hope that the American Chestnut can be resurrected. The early work has been an effort to cross the blight resistent oriental Chestnut with the American Chestnut. They ended up with some resistence, but the tree and the nut was more closely akin to the oriental Chestnut. The nuts were not highly edible and the tree never approached the quality of the American Chestnut.

Al's website seems to imply that we are already there. I certainly hope this to be the case. If and when nursery stock becomes available, one wonders what will be the price tab.

Vernon

No. GA. Mt. Man
07-20-2005, 09:15 AM
Thanks for the info Mr. Vernon.

slightly grayling
07-21-2005, 06:58 AM
Chestnut blight is just one of the problems....they do have blight resistant strans of the American Chestnut; however, the Gall wasp is another threat to projects struggling to bring back the American Chestnut. Check out http://www.ppws.vt.edu/griffin/accf.html for additional information.
-SG

Vernon Holt
07-21-2005, 07:59 AM
I fail to see how the Gall Wasp could be a threat of any consequence to the American Chestnut restoration efforts.

All members of the Family Fagacee (oaks, beech, chestnut) are infested by the familiar gall which is caused by the sting of the wasp. I have seen the galls for many years and have never seen any evidence that the overall vigor of a tree is affected. It could be that if a tree was severely stressed for other reasons, then the Gall Wasp could have a contributing effect.

To rank the Gall Wasp in the same breath with the threat of the deadly Chestnut Blight in my mind is a stretch.

Vernon

slightly grayling
07-21-2005, 08:45 AM
I don't pretend to be an expert, nor did I compare the impact of the gall wasp to the blight, I merely stated that the blight was only one problem (one where headway has been made)....if you want to learn about the threat, attached is a link that may help



http://www.bugwood.org/arthropod/day5/moriya.pdf#search='chestnut%20tree%20gall%20wasp'

wildlands
07-23-2005, 03:51 PM
There is an article on the main page about the USFS working with a group to reintroduce the American Chestnut tree to the mountains. http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/

Hooty Hoot
04-26-2007, 04:39 PM
Just returned from a hunting and fishing trip in the Coopers, Toccoa River area of the N. Georgia Mountains. Thought this would be a good one to bring back up. Thanks Mr. Holt

sparky
04-26-2007, 07:21 PM
there is a professor here at Berry that is crossing blight resisant trees,he just planted a orchard http://www.berry.edu/pr/news/pressdetail.asp?ID=422

R G
04-27-2007, 03:00 AM
I thought I heard awhile back that an American Chesnut tree was found alive somewhere around Pine Mountain Ga. and they were going to try to clone it.

60Grit
04-27-2007, 03:09 AM
I thought I heard awhile back that an American Chesnut tree was found alive somewhere around Pine Mountain Ga. and they were going to try to clone it.


You are correct;

http://www.gatacf.org/klaus_tree_in_pine_mountain.htm

elfiii
04-30-2007, 02:11 PM
I thought I heard awhile back that an American Chesnut tree was found alive somewhere around Pine Mountain Ga. and they were going to try to clone it.

No surprise they found some in Pine Mountain. It is God's own Country. Ya'll stay out - we're full up.