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thurmongene
10-06-2010, 12:15 PM
For a stalking carbine, which will be the better gun at 60 to 80 yards for deer?

DS7418
10-06-2010, 02:11 PM
357 mag

jmoser
10-06-2010, 02:25 PM
In the same gun I would go 45 Colt with hot 300 XTPs, zero it at 75 yards. Hands down a better deer setup than a .357 carbine.

Wiskey_33
10-06-2010, 02:41 PM
If you don't reload, .357 will be easier to find that .45 LC.

Sargent
10-06-2010, 02:43 PM
.357... just because I have one.

...and .357 is more versatile.

chuckdog
10-06-2010, 02:58 PM
Neither, trade one for something more suitable for a humane kill. I know either will kill a deer, but neither really qualifies for ethical deer hunting in my book. This is assuming factory loads. If you're loading the .45 at magnum velocities, it would be my choice.

yaknfish
10-06-2010, 04:32 PM
Looking at the Buffalo Bore website:
357Mag, 180 gr. @ 1,400fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs
45Colt, 325 gr. @ 1,325fps/M.E. 1,267 ft.lbs

Looks like the 45 has considerably more thump. And while a 38 may expand to .45 inch, a 45 ain't gonna shrink.

Jason280
10-06-2010, 04:42 PM
Hands down, .45 Colt. Even if you don't reload, you can still buy hot loaded ammo for the old Colt round that makes the .357 look like a varmint round.

Wiskey_33
10-06-2010, 05:16 PM
Neither, trade one for something more suitable for a humane kill. I know either will kill a deer, but neither really qualifies for ethical deer hunting in my book. This is assuming factory loads. If you're loading the .45 at magnum velocities, it would be my choice.

What does qualify if the .45 LC doesn't?

Larry Rooks
10-06-2010, 06:15 PM
I have killed many deer and hogs with the Ruger BH in 45
Colt with narry a problem, all one shot kills and all recovered. Seems to me that if it works that good out of a 4 5/8" barrel, out of a carbine it ought to be awesome. It is plenty of gun for sure

JWarren
10-06-2010, 06:29 PM
45lc with a mid range cast bullet handload 1000-1100fps is all you need. It is not necessary to use the highest pressure rounds to have a deadly round from the 45lc....much better choice than the .357IMO.

chuckdog
10-06-2010, 07:19 PM
A standard velocity 45 Colt will kill a deer @ 80 yards. Never said it wouldn't. I just don't understand why anyone would want to hunt with a marginally powered handgun cartridge from a rifle. Putting a handgun cartridge in a rifle for deer hunting is legal, so go for it if that's what you want. It's just not enough power for a deer rifle cartridge "IN MY OPINION." Get a rifle cartridge for a rifle. It's just my opinion of responsible, ethical, humane hunting.

Larry Rooks
10-06-2010, 07:24 PM
What is the difference. A large Caliber handgun that is legal and has plenty of power to CLEANLY take the deer,
the 45 Colt, and then put that same load into a rifle, it makes it even stronger (More velocity by a good bit) All
know the 44 mag is an awesome handgun caliber more or less designed to hunt with. Put it in a rifle and it's even
stronger. Same with the 45 Colt or 357 Mag. To qualify as a deer round is doee NOT have to be bottlenecked and shoot 3000 fps. A hard cast bullet from a 45 Colt will kill em as dead as any caliber, just limited to range, BUT, since hunting with a handgun, you know that from the beginning. The 45 Colt is more than suitable

chuckdog
10-06-2010, 07:37 PM
What is the difference. A large Caliber handgun that is legal and has plenty of power to CLEANLY take the deer,
the 45 Colt, and then put that same load into a rifle, it makes it even stronger (More velocity by a good bit) All
know the 44 mag is an awesome handgun caliber more or less designed to hunt with. Put it in a rifle and it's even
stronger. Same with the 45 Colt or 357 Mag. To qualify as a deer round is doee NOT have to be bottlenecked and shoot 3000 fps. A hard cast bullet from a 45 Colt will kill em as dead as any caliber, just limited to range, BUT, since hunting with a handgun, you know that from the beginning. The 45 Colt is more than suitable


Fine in a handgun at handgun ranges, I just can't see it at rifle ranges. Puttin' it in a rifle changes my perception of it. I believe people will be too tempted to take longer shots. I couldn't care less what you want to hunt with, the fellow asked what we thought and I answered. I'm moving on. I think I'm still entitled to disagree with some or all of you, aren't I?

Gordief
10-06-2010, 08:35 PM
which rd. would Elmer K pick?

Philbow
10-06-2010, 08:44 PM
which rd. would Elmer K pick?

A 44 Magnum.

JWarren
10-06-2010, 08:58 PM
BTW, OP said the rifle would be used for stalking....stalking is typically a close range situation, otherwise he would probably opt for his bolt action due to range supremacy.

thurmongene
10-06-2010, 11:13 PM
Thank you to all. I've been wanting a lever gun and thought one of the two in question would be worth a thought. I do have a .44 magnum Ruger carbine and an awsome bolt rifle in .260 For real world function, this lever gun would only be for show and to use at the range.

JWarren
10-07-2010, 01:03 AM
For real world function, this lever gun would only be for show and to use at the range.

I thought you said stalking in the original thread. If it is only for shooting at the range and to look at, what difference does the caliber make? :huh:

thurmongene
10-07-2010, 02:29 AM
Yeah well O K, maybe I will get the confidence, but I will have to really put in the range rounds first. Then YEAH, a stalking gun it will become.instead ot the .44 sometimes.

seaweaver
10-07-2010, 08:14 AM
The .45 might be easier to find as it has a select following and there were quite as few made to keep up w/ SAS demand...
I would not hesitate to take a doe at 140 w/ my .357 w/ a clear broadside shot w/ the 158g. I scoped it for my son w/ he was 6 and was astounded how accurate it is.
cw

Jimmyp
10-07-2010, 08:37 AM
For a stalking carbine, which will be the better gun at 60 to 80 yards for deer?

my friend if your up to hit with your rifle either will work the same. The 357 catridge is more readily found in box stores. Then if you have or want a companion pistol its easier to find one in 357.

Suggestion buy the 357 and you will be able to practice more with it, recoil is non existent. I have owned or own the 44 magnum and 357 in the Marlin offering.

Folks get all worked up about this sort of stuff, in reality the ability to kill a deer or pig rests in the skilled hands of the hunter not on the bore diameter or the velocity. Buy what makes sense to you in a practical way and ignore the drumbeat of "more power". In most cases with cartridges and modern bullets "less is more".

EMC-GUN
10-07-2010, 08:41 AM
I have seen .357Mag pistols that shot very accurately at 100yds. So then you have to think of a rifle- Longer sight radius, more barrel to get the most out of your propellant, ability to scope. A .357 will kill. I have a mold for a 190gr. FN cast bullet in .358. 190gr. bullet at around 1300fps will sail through a deer.

Sargent
10-07-2010, 08:43 AM
I would not hesitate to take a doe at 140 w/ my .357 w/ a clear broadside shot w/ the 158g. I scoped it for my son w/ he was 6 and was astounded how accurate it is.
cw

This can't be right... The bullet in question should bounce off a deer @ 140 yards like a BB.

SiRed94
10-07-2010, 12:39 PM
Out of the two listed, I would go with the .44 mag.

Wiskey_33
10-07-2010, 01:59 PM
Out of the two listed, I would go with the .44 mag.

:bounce:

GAR
10-07-2010, 05:45 PM
The current "Handloader" magazine that just came out has an article that basically follows this thread.

Interesting reading!

GAR

abrannon
10-08-2010, 11:17 AM
Either will do, but I believe the advantage goes to the 45LC. If you want a little more punch from either consider Hornady's Leverlusion Bullets.

By the way just imagine all the deer and other animals that have been killed by Lever action rifles chambered in 45 LC and 44-40 over the last 140 years...