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billy673
11-26-2010, 12:15 PM
anybody ever been ? any tips or reccomendations would be appreciated , i hear them goulds get to be bigguns !

dtala
11-26-2010, 01:24 PM
given the current violence level in Mexico I'd stay as far from there as possible.

troy

gotitwithmybow
11-26-2010, 02:13 PM
Going for Goulds or Oscelated? You might try getting in touch with a reputable booking agent so he could get you hooked up with a good, safe outfit. Mexico is alittle dicey right now.

Nitro
11-26-2010, 02:49 PM
I have done the Gould's hunt. Awesome experience. Never felt that my safety was in peril. The violence in Mexico is drug related (and in the border towns)..... no where near where the Pavos are hunted.

PM me if you want more specific info - from someone who has been.

The Ocellated is on the calender.

dtala
11-26-2010, 03:09 PM
Unless you hunted last year the violence level was no where near what it is now. And you have to cross the border and usually drive to where you will hunt. And the violence isn't all drug related or just on the border.

A LOT of folks hunt Mexico and have NO probs, but several Americans and thousands of Mexican citizens have been murdered in the last year.

I've killed several grand slams and would love to hunt Goulds and Ocellated turkeys one day. But not now or soon IN Mexico.

troy

Nitro
11-26-2010, 05:06 PM
Unless you hunted last year the violence level was no where near what it is now. And you have to cross the border and usually drive to where you will hunt. And the violence isn't all drug related or just on the border.

A LOT of folks hunt Mexico and have NO probs, but several Americans and thousands of Mexican citizens have been murdered in the last year.

I've killed several grand slams and would love to hunt Goulds and Ocellated turkeys one day. But not now or soon IN Mexico.

troy

Troy, not to quibble, but when did YOU go???

The entire time we were in Mexico, we were well protected. Nuf said??

FWIW, the Mexican trips are all in areas where the violence is nil. The airports are heavily guarded, and while in transit, American hunters are provided with armed escorts. Ours had Beretta 92 pistols and M-4 rifles.

We never felt threatened.

dtala
11-26-2010, 08:46 PM
If I had to have an armed escort to go anywhere, I'd feel threatened just because of the NEED for an armed escort. Nuf said??

The violence in Mexico has escalated rapidly over the last two years, with THOUSANDS of Mexican citizens being killed, not just those involved in the drug trade. Ya gota dig to really see what is going on because CNN ain't reporting 1/10 of what goes on.

Go to Texasbowhunter.com and read the whole(long) thread("a little heads up on Mexico") on whats going on in Mexico as it applies to American hunters.

If you feel that it is perfectly safe to go, then by all means go. I've not lost anything south of the border....

troy

Tugboat1
11-26-2010, 10:42 PM
If I had to have an armed escort to go anywhere, I'd feel threatened just because of the NEED for an armed escort. Nuf said??

The violence in Mexico has escalated rapidly over the last two years, with THOUSANDS of Mexican citizens being killed, not just those involved in the drug trade. Ya gota dig to really see what is going on because CNN ain't reporting 1/10 of what goes on.

Go to Texasbowhunter.com and read the whole(long) thread("a little heads up on Mexico") on whats going on in Mexico as it applies to American hunters.


If you feel that it is perfectly safe to go, then by all means go. I've not lost anything south of the border....

troy

I have to agree with this. Sorta. I really enjoy Mexico and have traveled there extensively. Spent thirteen weeks there last year with eight of those driving solo top to bottom and back. I try to follow what is going on there.

Although I wouldn't hesitate to travel to Mexico tomorrow I wouldn't cross the border by car right now. The whole northern border is suspect IMO. That being said, Goulds are found in northern Mexico and that is where the lawlessness seems concentrated. Their lower range is in the states of Jalisco and Nayarit and if I were going to hunt there that is where I would look. A reputable outfitter is paramount regardless but I don't know if armed guards add or subtract to a hunting vacation. I do know I'd rather go down in a hail of gunfire south of the border than wither away in a nursing home here.

Research, follow up on referrals and do it.

Nitro
11-26-2010, 10:51 PM
Experience always trumps unfounded opinion doesn't it.

In my experience hunting in Mexico, the risk was worth it. That includes many trips there for quail and waterfowl.

I have been hunting Turkeys since 1978 and the Gould's trip was the finest hunt of my life.

(FWIW).....

trkyhntr70
11-26-2010, 10:56 PM
If I had to have an armed escort to go anywhere, I'd feel threatened just because of the NEED for an armed escort. Nuf said??

The violence in Mexico has escalated rapidly over the last two years, with THOUSANDS of Mexican citizens being killed, not just those involved in the drug trade. Ya gota dig to really see what is going on because CNN ain't reporting 1/10 of what goes on.

Go to Texasbowhunter.com and read the whole(long) thread("a little heads up on Mexico") on whats going on in Mexico as it applies to American hunters.

If you feel that it is perfectly safe to go, then by all means go. I've not lost anything south of the border....

troy

IMO,
There's far to many turkeys this side of all that garbage going on down there to deal with the need for armed guards to go hunting.

Nitro
11-26-2010, 11:13 PM
I have killed plenty of them here and am broadening my horizons............one to go..

The guard was merely life insurance. Yall have any of that??

Metro Atlanta, Georgia is more dangerous than Durango,Mexico. Birmingham, AL is more dangerous than Atlanta.

Look it up.

Tugboat1
11-26-2010, 11:18 PM
Experience always trumps unfounded opinion doesn't it.

In my experience hunting in Mexico, the risk was worth it. That includes many trips there for quail and waterfowl.

I have been hunting Turkeys since 1978 and the Gould's trip was the finest hunt of my life.

(FWIW).....

Experience is what we bring to the table. It is not unfounded opinion that the situation in Mexico has drastically changed in the past year and a half. Violence has been a whirlwind blowing strong in areas that have been normally been safe and quiet before. I think the northern border is a war zone and I hate to admit it. I wouldn't set foot in the states that comprise the northern range of the Goulds. Arizona, New Mexico seem a more prudent choice if I had to kill one.

Safety is relative.

Nitro
11-26-2010, 11:28 PM
Here's one last opinion- the Gould's is a Mexican turkey subspecies.

The birds in AZ and NM that some outfitter is selling as Gould's are most probably just Merriams. I have done the research on hunting them in the U.S. and found not one outfitter who could prove that the birds were Goulds.

I have a "Fair" knowledge of the Merriams having killed quite a few of them. The Gould's turkey is far and above a Merriams in size and most importantly, bone structure. They are two distinctly different birds.

Besides, isn't the journey and the experience more important than the end result of a dead turkey?

I thoroughly enjoyed my Gould's trip and would encourage anyone who desires an adventure to go and experience a wonderful place.

Good luck!

billy673
11-27-2010, 09:40 AM
YeeHah ! sounds like an adventure !
if the outfitter meets you at the airport (which i think most do) and take you to the hunting lodge then its all about hunting in the woods and mountains !!

dtala
11-27-2010, 09:49 AM
"unfounded experience"??? US State Dept issues an travel advisory against Mexico, thousands of people murderd there, the National Guard is building up at the border, and you call it unfounded??? Defend YOUR desire to go, but lets not get irrational here...

Comparing Atlanta and Birmingham to Mexico is a jump even Evil Kenievel couldn't of made., unless Atlanta has had several thousand murders this year that the news ain't reported. Birmingham sure hasn't. Stick to facts.

troy

Nitro
11-27-2010, 11:00 AM
troy, "Let's stick to facts"???

The fact remains, if you go back to the very first post and question-

"anybody ever been ? any tips or reccomendations would be appreciated , i hear them goulds get to be bigguns ! "

So, all your attempts to derail the thread are meaningless. My question remains- have YOU been to Mexico to hunt the Gould's? If not, then you have nothing to add.

I have sent Billy a PM with all the info he needs to have an awesome, safe adventure to MX.

gotitwithmybow
11-27-2010, 05:31 PM
Not sure why this turned personal "dtala" is just illustrating a risk that is REAL in Mexico right now. One needs to get all the facts and make a decision for himself. Good luck to all!

muckalee
11-27-2010, 07:31 PM
I'm in. When are we going?????

oatsj
11-27-2010, 07:48 PM
given the current violence level in Mexico I'd stay as far from there as possible.

troy

Me too! used to live on the Texas border want no part of it. Lot of big turkeys south of San Antonio .

oatsj
11-27-2010, 07:49 PM
troy, "Let's stick to facts"???

The fact remains, if you go back to the very first post and question-

"anybody ever been ? any tips or reccomendations would be appreciated , i hear them goulds get to be bigguns ! "

So, all your attempts to derail the thread are meaningless. My question remains- have YOU been to Mexico to hunt the Gould's? If not, then you have nothing to add.

I have sent Billy a PM with all the info he needs to have an awesome, safe adventure to MX.

Oh yes the safety

boparks
11-29-2010, 01:19 PM
I have been invited to go with a friend that lives in New Mexico who has hunted Mexico for 10 of the past 12 years. They've driven over and have a sweet set up in terms of cost and good place to hunt with someone he knows there.


Last year and this year were the first trips they've missed (just my luck) and it's all because of whats going on around the borders.
He lives only 70 miles away but he's afraid to risk it.

Flying in and avoiding the drive does sound like it would be the way to go from what I'm hearing.

I met a guy at the BPS a few months ago that actually has a deer lease there and he has a system where he flys in, is met at the airport, escorted to his lease, and gets a letter from a local official that helps him avoid potential issues.

He did say you better not even accidently leave an empty 22 casing in your vehicle when driving back or you could have trouble with the Federalies which is an entirley different issue than the drug cartel violence. Not taking a gun goes without saying.

Goulds are being stocked in a south western state or two but not sure about or when they can be hunted

trkyhntr70
11-29-2010, 01:44 PM
Question for you guys that have been down there;
Are the turkeys hunted around baited areas like the deer hunts seen on tv in mexico??

Kevin Farr
11-29-2010, 06:56 PM
Question for you guys that hsve been down there;
Are the turkeys hunted around baited areas like the deer hunts seen on tv in mexico??

Not where I went. I wouldn't have hunted that way if it was. Just like hunting Rio's in Texas around feeders. That just ain't my thing.

It was beautiful country where I went along with primitive lifestyles compared to the U.S. My hunt was pretty rugged as far as the terrain and such. Part of the time I felt like a mountain goat. :D:D I thoroughly enjoyed it and would like to do it again some day.

Gadget
12-03-2010, 10:19 AM
Question for you guys that hsve been down there;
Are the turkeys hunted around baited areas like the deer hunts seen on tv in mexico??


Even if they have corn feeders out, doesn't mean you have to hunt over bait. I never hunted down there, but in Texas most of the outfitters are running protein and corn feeders year round. I hunted with an outfitter a couple years ago in Texas, first thing he wanted to do was ride me around the property to show me where all the feeders were, told him I wasn't interested, that I don't hunt turkey over bait and didn't want to know where they were. He acted surprised, the group of guys there before us shot 11 jakes with scoped deer rifles while sitting in boxed tower stands with corn feeders out in front of each one......:rolleyes:

dtala
12-03-2010, 06:51 PM
Gadget, I had the exact same thing happen on my first Osecola hunt. I told guide to let me off where there were no feeders. I was the only one in camp shooting a shotgun also...everyone else had scoped deer rifles and sat in blinds near feeders. It was late for Fl and I didn't hear a gobble but did manage to call a nice bird up first morning and kill it ten minutes after daylight. Outfitter said he'd pick us up at ten o'clock, so I walked back to the camphouse. I was the only one to kill a bird......

troy