Easter question

[blindhog]

As is the common teaching, Jesus was crucified on Friday and arose on sunday morn. ( really would have had to been saturday night)

How does this reconcile with Jesus saying He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, as was Jona in the belly of the fish.

I have always questioned that and found the truth, in the written Word, not in man's tradition.

I'll give a hint....it has to do with the passover week. :)

[David Mills]

I was provided with some verses that leads me to believe Jesus was crucified on Thursday. During the week of passover, there are a number of sabbaths.

Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.

[SBG]

He is risen!:clap:

[GeauxLSU]

I was provided with some verses that leads me to believe Jesus was crucified on Thursday. During the week of passover, there are a number of sabbaths.

Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.The sabbath being Saturday says, as does tradition that he died on Friday. 1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. The first day of the week being Sunday. He said "I will raise it up in three days". The first day he died, the second day was the sabbath, on the THIRD DAY (Sunday) he rose. Where is the conflict? I'd be more concerned about getting more people to celebrate Easter than what day they choose to celebrate it on.

[David Mills]

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The day of Christ's death on the cross does not account for one day in the grave. Taking the literal context of the above Scripture, Christ, as He Himself states, would be in the grave 3 days. So, Friday to Saturday = 1st day, Saturday to Sunday = 2nd day.

During the week of passover, the Jews celebrate multiple sabbaths and, by law, a body could not remain on the cross during the sabbath (which began at approx 6 PM). This is why Pilate ordered that the legs be broken. The verse I previously provided stated that this particular sabbath was known as a high day. Ironic that Scripture points this out?The jewish day begain at 6 AM. At approx 3 PM, Jesus died on the cross.

Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

So, either Scripture is incorrect, or human tradition is incorrect.

[Spotlite]

He is risen!:clap:


10-4, why worry with things that only create confusion, just be glad he is risen.

[No. GA. Mt. Man]

10-4, why worry with things that only create confusion, just be glad he is risen.
Good advice on alot of things that divide us.

[GeauxLSU]

So, either Scripture is incorrect, or human tradition is incorrect.You tell me.
Matthew 16:21
[ Jesus Predicts His Death ] From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Matthew 16:20-22 (in Context) Matthew 16 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 17:23
They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life." And the disciples were filled with grief.
Matthew 17:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 17 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 20:19
and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!"
Matthew 20:18-20 (in Context) Matthew 20 (Whole Chapter)
Matthew 27:64
So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first."
Matthew 27:63-65 (in Context) Matthew 27 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 9:22
And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
Luke 13:31-33 (in Context) Luke 13 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 18:33
On the third day he will rise again."
Luke 18:32-34 (in Context) Luke 18 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 24:7
'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' "
Luke 24:6-8 (in Context) Luke 24 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 24:21
but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
Luke 24:20-22 (in Context) Luke 24 (Whole Chapter)
Luke 24:46
He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Luke 24:45-47 (in Context) Luke 24 (Whole Chapter)
Acts 10:40
but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.
Acts 10:39-41 (in Context) Acts 10 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 15:4
that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
1 Corinthians 15:3-5 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 15 (Whole Chapter)

[David Mills]

He is risen, that is the true message and the only one that matters.

However, sticking with topic of the thread, I believe Scriptural truth needs to be high lighted.

Let me ask another question: where are we commanded to celebrate the death and ressurection (easter)? The apostles made no mention of celebrating His death and ressurection. And, in answering, consider the following:

Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Now, don't get me wrong; I celebrate Christ each and every day, I celebrate the sacrifice He made for me. Personally, I believe that's the reason we are not called to pick a specific day for this celebration, it should be EVERY day. It's man's self made traditions that detract us away from this.

[David Mills]

As you point out Phil, the THIRD day, as in 3.

[GeauxLSU]

As you point out Phil, the THIRD day, as in 3.He died on day one did he not?

[GeauxLSU]

He is risen, that is the true message and the only one that matters.

However, sticking with topic of the thread, I believe Scriptural truth needs to be high lighted.

Let me ask another question: where are we commanded to celebrate the death and ressurection (easter)? The apostles made no mention of celebrating His death and ressurection. And, in answering, consider the following:

Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Now, don't get me wrong; I celebrate Christ each and every day, I celebrate the sacrifice He made for me. Personally, I believe that's the reason we are not called to pick a specific day for this celebration, it should be EVERY day. It's man's self made traditions that detract us away from this.All true David. Sadly, we don't have the stamina. Will your church have more or less people than normal in it this Sunday morning?

[Double Barrel BB]

It wouldn't be the first time that man's traditions was wrong...

The only way to be sure is to rely on the scriptures.

DB BB

[Double Barrel BB]

Sad thing is that alot of people will go this sunday and not the rest of the year...

We should celebrate the resurrection everyday.

DB BB

[GeauxLSU]

Sad thing is that alot of people will go this sunday and not the rest of the year...

We should celebrate the resurrection everyday.

DB BBWeird isn't it? I can't imagine what compels someone to get up for church on Easter Sunday and Christmas every year and then keeps them in bed (or whatever) every other Sunday of the year. :huh: :(

[Dub]

I generally don't get too wrapped around the axle over some specifics...like dates or numerical oddeties that I read in the Bible. I simply take it on faith and believe and pray.

[David Mills]

Yeah, it will be standing room only this Sunday, see faces never seen before. It seems (no accusation intended) that some folks have the notion they are doing God a favor by just showing up once or twice a year.

Sadly, my devotion has been lacking lately. Here I am, a deacon, and I can't make even a minimal commitment. Guess I need to shut up before everyone recognizes me for the hypocrit I am.

[StriperAddict]

Weird isn't it? I can't imagine what compels someone to get up for church on Easter Sunday and Christmas every year and then keeps them in bed (or whatever) every other Sunday of the year. :huh: :(

Getting a single dose of 'religion' is an answer to a lot of folks conciousness of guilt.

IMO

[StriperAddict]

Yeah, it will be standing room only this Sunday, see faces never seen before. It seems (no accusation intended) that some folks have the notion they are doing God a favor by just showing up once or twice a year.

Sadly, my devotion has been lacking lately. Here I am, a deacon, and I can't make even a minimal commitment. Guess I need to shut up before everyone recognizes me for the hypocrit I am.

Don't kick yourself, we all miss the assembly for reasons we keep with God alone. He knows your heart, though. Be glad you're not an "Easter" only christian...

[SBG]

Getting a single dose of 'religion' is an answer to a lot of folks conciousness of guilt.

IMO

I was going torespond until I read your post stripe. That's it in a nutshell. :huh:

[SBG]

Sadly, my devotion has been lacking lately. Here I am, a deacon, and I can't make even a minimal commitment. Guess I need to shut up before everyone recognizes me for the hypocrit I am.

You ain't no hypocrite...just a man saved by grace. Justified only because of the finished work of Christ. Not sin free, but praise God free from sin.

Glory! He is risen!

[blindhog]

David....I think we are ALL hypocrites to some degree, as in we all fail somehow.

What matters is the truth, and it shall set you free. Ponder that.

Bondage to tradition can be a miserable thang.

[David Mills]

Where are y'all getting this information from?

I first heard all this in a Sunday School class about 6 years ago. I also contacted a rabbi about the various sabbaths during passover. I quoted Scirpture that stated that the sabbath in question was known as a high day which is basically a "holiday" during passover in which the sabbath was/is observed.

[cowboyron]

The sabbath was observed because of Israels deliverance from bondage (Deut. 5:15). Given after Jehovahs deliverance of Israel (Deut. 5:3).It was an institution then only of the Mosaic dispensation and was not observed during the Patriarchy.

It was a sign between God and Israel (Ex. 31:13-17). It was not a sign between God and all nations, but was designated as a special sign between God and the Jews.

Some contend "a perpetual covenant," therefore would not end (Ex. 31:16).
The Sabbath no more perpetual than incense and animal sacrifice (Ex. 30:8 ; Num. 28:1-10).
The Sabbath was a perpetual "sign" between God and Israel as his chosen people, but when Israel ended, the Sabbath ended, the end of Israel as a nation (Amos. 8:2-10) Fulfillment (Matt. 27:45-46 ; Luke 23:44-45 ; Jno. 19:30).
The end of the Sabbath prophesied (Hosea 2:11) fulfilled (Col. 2:14 : 17)

[Spotlite]

If the New Testament is infallible, there shouldn't be any confusion or inconsistent scriptures, should there?

But I think you have the attitude of most Christians... any inconsistencies are swept under the rug :)


Hugs!
Kerri ;)

Kerri, the devil creates confusion, not the Bible. I think you have the attitude of trying to prove the Bible to be a lie, at least you present yourself in that manner. Who cares what day it was? You think God is sitting around concerned with who celebrates Easter on Sunday, Saturday or even Friday? I think he cares less as for what day you celebrate it as long as you remember what Easter is for. Bottom line, the tomb is empty, he is risen and as long as you understand that, then the importance of the actual day is no big deal.

[David Mills]

The confusion is not in the Bible, nowhere does it say that Christ was buried on Friday. The confusion lies with man's traditions which, as Chrisw points out, is really irrelevant.

[Double Barrel BB]

Kerri, the devil creates confusion, not the Bible. I think you have the attitude of trying to prove the Bible to be a lie, at least you present yourself in that manner. Who cares what day it was? You think God is sitting around concerned with who celebrates Easter on Sunday, Saturday or even Friday? I think he cares less as for what day you celebrate it as long as you remember what Easter is for. Bottom line, the tomb is empty, he is risen and as long as you understand that, then the importance of the actual day is no big deal.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The confusion is not in the Bible, nowhere does it say that Christ was buried on Friday. The confusion lies with man's traditions which, as Chrisw points out, is really irrelevant.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally I think it should be called Resurrection Sunday! Best way to avoid confusion, leave the traditions of men out of the Ressurrection!

DB BB

[Madsnooker]

Even if you (as some have answered) counted by saying he died Friday, through Saturday and rose on Sunday, that's 3 days. You have Friday night and Saturday night... where is the third night? :huh: :huh:


Hugs!
Kerri ;)

No where in the new Testament does it say anything about the third night. I think you are getting confused. Phil pointed out a bunch of scriptures saying he rose on the third day. The New Testament doesn't contradict itself.

The only reference to a third night was to Jonah and the time he spent in the fishes belly.

[Madsnooker]

If the New Testament is infallible, there shouldn't be any confusion or inconsistent scriptures, should there?

But I think you have the attitude of most Christians... any inconsistencies are swept under the rug :)


Hugs!
Kerri ;)

What inconsistency are you referrring to. You don't believe in the New Testament so you continue to make comments trying to discredit it but it will not work.

This is another example of you taking a friendly discussion with all those believing Jesus was crucified for us and turning it into the New Testament is wrong or inconsistent.;)

[Mechanicaldawg]

Jesus came to Jeruselum to celebrate the Passover. He had the "Last Supper" which was the traditional Passover Feast with His disciples. He was arrested sometime in the night afterward and taken back and forth from the Sanhedren to Pilate to Herod and back to Pilate prior to being crucified. After He was crucified Joseph of Arimithea asked for His body for burial. His body was placed in the tomb but due to the onset of darkness on Friday, which began the Sabbath (The Sabbath is from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday) His body could not be properly prepared and the women planned to prepare His body on Sunday morning.

But He was not and is not dead!

50 Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea and he was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. 55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Luke 23:50-56

[BuckSlayer]

No other religion can make the claim that Christians can. Christ did everything he said he would do. The other so called prophets "muhammed", budha etc... are dead and their follows know where they are buried. They made claims and promised this and that, but fell far short. Christ tomb is empty, and over 500 people were witness to his resurrection. He is the only true prophet and is the Messiah promised to the Jews. The others are false prophets that spawn false religions.

Even Jews which I love and admire are not following the law. The law says there shall be a shedding of blood for the attonement of sins each year. They have not done this since the fall of the sanhedrin. In other words they do not attone for their sins each year, and they have rejected Christ as the Messiah. Hopefully, before the end comes, they will come unto the knowledge of the truth and be saved.

[cowboyron]

Buckslayer, It is my belief that we are no longer under the Law. It was nailed to the cross with Jesus. We are now under His Law which is the New Testament.
Col. 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, Which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

To practice anything taught by Moses but not taught by Christ is fatal in Christianity, because it places the authority of Moses on a par with the authority of Christ.
To undertake to live under both the law of Moses and the law of Christ is spiritual adultery ( Rom. 7:1-4 ).

[BuckSlayer]

Buckslayer, It is my belief that we are no longer under the Law. It was nailed to the cross with Jesus. We are now under His Law which is the New Testament.
Col. 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, Which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

To practice anything taught by Moses but not taught by Christ is fatal in Christianity, because it places the authority of Moses on a par with the authority of Christ.
To undertake to live under both the law of Moses and the law of Christ is spiritual adultery ( Rom. 7:1-4 ).

I think you missed my point. Jewish people do not follow the new testament. Therefore, they are under the law of moses. However, they do not follow this law either like they should. The law requires a shedding of blood to attone for sins. Since the fall of the Sanhedrin, they no longer do this. There is no high priest to splash the blood on the mercy seat, nor do they have a temple anymore that contains the Ark of the Covenant.

The law still stands by the way, but as Christians, we are free from the penalty of the law because of the cross.

[David Mills]

Just because we are no longer under the law does not mean it no longer applies, what else constitutes sin? Jesus did not come to “do away” with the law; He came to fulfill the law.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus was the final sacrifice; he alone was/is the perfect sacrifice. Doesn’t matter if the Jews start with blood sacrifices again because there can be no perfect sacrifice except for Christ Himself. His last words on the cross were “it is finished”.

The Jewish concept of salvation was following the law and their traditions but they forgot about faith and having a relationship with God.

Matt 22:36-40
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus continuously berated the Pharisees about this.
Mat 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The blood sacrifices meant nothing because of their lack of faith. Abraham was not saved by following the law; he was saved by his faith.

Rom 4:1-5
What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

[BuckSlayer]

Good post David. :cool: :cheers:

[FESTUSHAGGIN]

i agree with what others have said. dont cloud things with trivial, worldly information. the bibole mentions nothing of the days of the week as we know it. for all we know the calendar week could have been arranged completely different than we have it. i am glad he is risen and i firmly believe you shouldnt question blessings. he died and rose for us. i question nothing about it.

[cowboyron]

I think you missed my point. Jewish people do not follow the new testament. Therefore, they are under the law of moses. However, they do not follow this law either like they should. The law requires a shedding of blood to attone for sins. Since the fall of the Sanhedrin, they no longer do this. There is no high priest to splash the blood on the mercy seat, nor do they have a temple anymore that contains the Ark of the Covenant.

The law still stands by the way, but as Christians, we are free from the penalty of the law because of the cross.
My Bad, Sorry if I offended anybody with my post. I agree the law still stands if we are talking about the 10 comandments. I feel that there were alot of things from OT that have been put to rest when Christ fulfilled the law.

[StriperAddict]

My Bad, Sorry if I offended anybody with my post. I agree the law still stands if we are talking about the 10 comandments. I feel that there were alot of things from OT that have been put to rest when Christ fulfilled the law.

Agreed, however...
You also mentioned the nation of Israel was 'ended' (in an earlier post). I totally disagree. The Abrahamic covenant with Israel still stands as far as the land and the Jewish people themselves. (The apostle Paul makes some of that clear in the book of Romans, ch's 9 thru 11, esp. 9:4). The 'church' has NOT replaced Israel.

But since this is :offtopic: ... maybe another thread is in order...? anyone just let me know if you want to pick this up.

~Glenn
:yawn:

[kmh1031]

The 600+ laws were to show the Isrealites that they were imperfect and could not ever keep all the law.

Jesus fullfilled the laws perfectly when on earth, thereby giving a new commandment, that you love one another and others.
Thus Christians are not under the Mosaic laws. Clearly seen by his healing etc on the Sabbath, and other things he did. Remember when the relidgious leaders accused him of "healing, working on the sabbath" What did he tell them?

IF we are to keep the law, we would need to never work on Sunday, and the 7th year not work at all, along with many other laws that could never be kept.