tv evangalism

[discounthunter]

im not that religous but this tv churchism really sets me off.how can people pump millions of dollars into these fool shows?is it part of the couch potato syndrome where its easier to pay for your way to heaven with flex-pay over the phone?in know some local churches air their services,thats fine ,im talking about the tammy faye,jim baker and all the "smack me in the forehead and cure my crooked back"nuts.

[GeauxLSU]

I hear ya'....

If there are some good legitimate ones out there I'll never know. Can't get beyond the disgusting stuff I see to give any of them a chance.

[David Mills]

All the more reason to go to church and hear it in person.

[HuntinTom]

im not that religous but this tv churchism really sets me off.how can people pump millions of dollars into these fool shows?is it part of the couch potato syndrome where its easier to pay for your way to heaven with flex-pay over the phone?in know some local churches air their services,thats fine ,im talking about the tammy faye,jim baker and all the "smack me in the forehead and cure my crooked back"nuts.
Don't be troubled brother... Don't be bothered... Don't be worried... Just put your hand up to your computer screen, send me $50, and I'll send you a rag I've sweat on and a ka-set tape to rid ya' of them pesky demons that hinder your soul...

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[Dixie Dawg]

Don't be troubled brother... Don't be bothered... Don't be worried... Just put your hand up to your computer screen, send me $50, and I'll send you a rag I've sweat on and a ka-set tape to rid ya' of them pesky demons that hinder your soul...

This ad paid for in part by The Church of Tom - A Get Right, or Get Left Ministry Conglomoration...


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Huntin Tom, you have an excellent sense of humor :bounce:

Hugs!
Kerri ;)

[Eshad]

:offtopic: Kind of off topic, I was flipping channels last night and on one of those shows you are referring to, I recognized David Barton, one of, if not THE foremost authority I have heard on the Christian foundations of this country. Very smart man. Anyone else ever heard David?

[PWalls]

There are some good shows out there that I have seen. Would never send money, but there are some good messages. There are also some bad ones.

If in doubt, flip it over to "House". :D

[Dixie Dawg]

There are some good shows out there that I have seen. Would never send money, but there are some good messages. There are also some bad ones.

If in doubt, flip it over to "House". :D


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Now that right there is funny, I don't care who ya are :rofl:


Hugs!
Kerri ;)

[Branchminnow]

Never got anything out of any of them

[HuntinTom]

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Huntin Tom, you have an excellent sense of humor :bounce:

Hugs!
Kerri ;)
Funny!? Hey, sister, I'm serious ;) -- Send me $1,000 and God will make you a Platinum Member as you sow your seed-offering for my new Leer Jet, err, I mean for the kingdom of Gawd... ;) :)

[leroy]

Billy Graham. I have seen some good ones but they were local Churches that had there services televised.

[BANDERSNATCH]

Robert Tilton is my favorite TV evangelist! :cool:

Bandy

[BANDERSNATCH]

What? Nobody is taking the bait? LOL

Bandy

[HuntinTom]

Some people are evangelists, some are pastors, some are care-givers, and some slept at a Holiday Inn last night and play an evangelist on TV ;) :)

[GeauxLSU]

What? Nobody is taking the bait? LOL

BandyI think everyone just agrees he rox! :cool:

[Swamp Runner]

Anybody else watch the TV people?

[Sterlo58]

I watch from time to time out of curiosity. I think we all have to agree that for the most part TV evangelist' have really big hair. :clap:

[7 point]

for sake of conversation Whats yalls take on Joel Ostean?

[Sterlo58]

for sake of conversation Whats yalls take on Joel Ostean?

He has good hair :cool:
Check out his website. You have a button for your shopping cart. It is a internet store for his merchandise.

[tell sackett]

Anybody else watch the TV people?Adrian Rodgers, Charles Stanley, and the Green Acres Baptist of Warner Robins service (on ch. 64 dish net. out of Macon, anybody who can get it I believe you'll like him). That's about it for me.

[Swamp Runner]

I like to watch Charles Stanley out of Atlanta and John MacArthur out of California.

[gtparts]

Adrian Rodgers, Charles Stanley, and the Green Acres Baptist of Warner Robins service (on ch. 64 dish net. out of Macon, anybody who can get it I believe you'll like him). That's about it for me.

Dr. Rodgers must be recorded.... as he went home a while back (Nov. 2005). "To be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD."

Still a lot of material available and an incredible legacy.

Peace.

[tell sackett]

I like to watch Charles Stanley out of Atlanta and John MacArthur out of California.Yeah, I like J.M. pretty good too even if he is one of those "tulip" folks:D. I'm just kidding ya'll, don't jump on me! Dish network doesn't offer the channel he's on, but I'll listen to him on GNN radio when I'm at work.

[Ronnie T]

Charles Stanley and Adrian Rodgers are two that I enjoy listening to also. There always seems to be something to learn from them.

Joel, I'm sure is a good Christian man, but his sermons seem to be the same subject over and over again.

Generally speaking, if it's a TV ministry that is sponsored by a church, I listen.
If it's a TV ministry with no connection to a particular church congregation, they are continually trying to sell things and wanteing money. Their messages aren't as informative either.
The exception was Billy Graham.

[tell sackett]

Dr. Rodgers must be recorded.... as he went home a while back (Nov. 2005). "To be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD."

Still a lot of material available and an incredible legacy.

Peace.TBN, 12:00pm Sun. We record it every week.

[Swamp Runner]

Yeah, I like J.M. pretty good too even if he is one of those "tulip" folks:D. I'm just kidding ya'll, don't jump on me! Dish network doesn't offer the channel he's on, but I'll listen to him on GNN radio when I'm at work.

I'm one of those tulip guys, I have always liked flowers.:D

[Lowjack]

I like howdy doody

[tell sackett]

I'm one of those tulip guys, I have always liked flowers.:DThat's all right brother, I won't hold it against you:biggrin3:

[pileit]

I like howdy doody

Is he Jewish?

[NCHillbilly]

It's pretty entertaining to watch ol' Benny Hinn line up about thirty or forty crippled, posessed, and diseased folks in a row; then smack the first'un right on the forehead and they all fall back like dominoes and waller around on the ground a minute, then jump up in perfect health. :bounce:

[Ronnie T]

i would be careful with Stanley... he teaches that we are not to "fear" God but to only reverence Him... i heard it with my own ears...

he says that we dont have to fear God just revere Him... thats scary stuff and totally unbiblical.


Oops! I don't want to start something here but I don't fear God either. At least not in the way that I fear a rattlesnake or a mugger.

The following verses show what happened to my fear of God.

Hebrews 4:1
Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

Romans 8:15
For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, " Abba! Father!"

1 John 4:18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

*No child should fear their father. But they should have great respect and understanding of their father and the power he has. That's my relationship with my heavenly Father.

[Ronnie T]

i appreciate those verses but what do you do with the 100's of verses telling us to fear Him? do you toss them in the can?

i still have a reverence for God but i gotta be honest... He scares the helll out of me... no pun intended... yes He's my Father... but considering what He can do to me... if He chose to... that causes fear... i think its Biblical... but what do i know?

It's all about the love.
Read this again. 1 John 4:18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love."
Now read the last 10 words of that very to yourself.

God loved you so much that He sent His Son to die for your sins.
If you realize that, and you serve God because of it, let that fear go.

But don't forget who God is. Respect Him. Reverence Him and glorify Him.

Now, there's a whole lot of people in the world that need to fear God. They are those who deny Him, and those who mock Him. And those who play games with His mercy and grace.

[Israel]

It's all about the love.
Read this again. 1 John 4:18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love."
Now read the last 10 words of that very to yourself.

God loved you so much that He sent His Son to die for your sins.
If you realize that, and you serve God because of it, let that fear go.

But don't forget who God is. Respect Him. Reverence Him and glorify Him.

Now, there's a whole lot of people in the world that need to fear God. They are those who deny Him, and those who mock Him. And those who play games with His mercy and grace.

Walking in the spirit is walking in the fear of the Lord. And there is nothing any more magnificent, awe full, absorbing, rewarding, interesting, joyous, powerful, enlightening, peaceful, encouraging, comforting, and lovely.

Revelation 1:10-18

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ----Edited to Remove Profanity ---- and of death.

When the Lord decides to unveil himself as much as he may care to, we don't decide "Oh, I think I better fear the Lord"

This is what happens:

"And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead."

No more than when the same Lord says "Fear not"

We don't decide, "Oh, I guess it's OK to not be afraid."

His revelation slays us, his word gives us life.

I don't know, even in the above account, just how much of "all" the Lord that John saw...I just know that the very one who wrote "love casts out all fear", the very one who laid his head on Jesus' breast, fell as a dead man when he had this vision...
I believe John loved the Lord, I don't doubt that for a moment. (maybe re-read the capture and trial of Jesus to perhaps find out more)
I even believe it is precisely because of the love of God that so worked in him (John) the Lord saw fit to share through our brother John this very revelation of himself.

But there is still something about the weakness of these present bodies in the presence of God...that God has mercifully made provision for...a new one that won't buckle, but will prostrate itself willingly. (It's probably good to practice)


(Perhaps this helps explain these two scriptures "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye..." and "Pray that ye may be able to stand before the son of man at his appearing"...maybe we are praying to be out of these buckling, decrepit, and humiliatingly weak vessels...but that is another matter)

When we see the One who tells us not to fear the one that can kill the body, but to... "Fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in ...

(why does this site restrict the use of the next word? Please stop helping God.)

So, if we truly see the one who tells us to fear him...how can we not?

Yet our hope remains here, for he is the same who also says:


"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."


Don't forget what he then asks each of us...

Believest thou this?

I believe that because John believed it, Jesus raised him with "fear not".
I almost fear for those who have nothing, know nothing, care nothing for the word of God.
But Jesus reminds me...fear not.
It will be a terrible thing to fall before the Lord...and never, for all eternity, ever hear another word of strength or comfort.

[chiefsquirrel83]

they scare me too death....person gets smacked in the head to heal there discombobulated back then starts dancing around on stage.....like "Larry" says......."he can't feel his back because he just got punched in the forehead." I prefer the real thing! Every Sunday at 10:30AM.....

[Rouster]

Only TV preacher I ever used to watch was "Reverend Ike"...that was long, long ago, but man he could put on a show; was on the Joe Pyne talk show one night back in the 60's and it was funnier than watching wrestling! To be honest, most of the current evangelists on TV....well....just strike me as phonies....Most (and I may be totally off base) probably started off trying to serve God, but the continual begging for money seems to corrupt them....Billy Graham being the exception...

[vanguard1]

i must agree i love billy graham he did not start his tv ministry the networks did, and he used it to get people saved. i was saved in 1979 by watching TBN , but i must say it is not the same as it was then, it is all a show now, this is very sad to me i do not even watch it anymore.

[ambush80]

I like to get altered and watch Jack VanImpe. His wife has a gigantic head. I like pastor Melissa Scott as well, because she sins (being a female pastor and all) with such conviction. I also like Paula White. She looks like she knows what sin is.

[Woodsman69]

for sake of conversation Whats yalls take on Joel Ostean?

Con man!

[Woodsman69]

It's pretty entertaining to watch ol' Benny Hinn line up about thirty or forty crippled, posessed, and diseased folks in a row; then smack the first'un right on the forehead and they all fall back like dominoes and waller around on the ground a minute, then jump up in perfect health. :bounce:

Another con man!

[Woodsman69]

I'll tell you what's wicked sin, it's when a TV preacher cons some old widow woman who is suffering from cancer out of her social security check.

[Woodsman69]

Billy Graham is on record stating that he doesn't believe in the hot burning place where unrepentent sinners go. I guess he doesn't believe his bible?

[tomtlb66]

Just my opinion here, I believe that some TV preachers are the real deal. I try not to judge or say this is real and this one is fake. I do like Charles Stanley and I watch Joel Osteen sometimes and Joyce Myers. Now that said, I do believe we need to be careful and not be deceived. I love Billy Graham as well. I think one person who does get caught brings down everyone. Are they all fake and crooks? I don't know, but I think we should just pray and ask God to show us the way.

[Ronnie T]

[QUOTE=tomtlb66;4529654]Just my opinion here, I believe that some TV preachers are the real deal. I try not to judge or say this is real and this one is fake. I do like Charles Stanley and I watch Joel Osteen sometimes and Joyce Myers. Now that said, I do believe we need to be careful and not be deceived. I love Billy Graham as well. I think one person who does get caught brings down everyone. Are they all fake and crooks? I don't know, but I think we should just pray and ask God to show us the way.[/QUOTE


I only watch those who are on the air through the oversight of their own congregation.

If they "pass the collection plate" on tv, I don't watch them.
There are plenty that don't pass that plate.

[Inthegarge]

Billy Graham is on record stating that he doesn't believe in the hot burning place where unrepentent sinners go. I guess he doesn't believe his bible?

Please inform us where this "record" can be found.....Thx RW

[mtnwoman]

Just like anything else...there's goodun's and badun's....just like hunters, fisherman, ball players. There's as many drunken idiots in the woods with a firearm as there is con man preachers on tv.
Not saying of course that any of you are, so I certainly wouldn't judge you by those drunken idgits in the woods.....but we know they are there, and you just gotta watch out for them.....sad but true.

I don't particularly care for benny hinn's teachings nor his works, and I wouldn't watch him on tv, not my cup of tea....but I don't know God's dealings with him and I certainly won't call God on that one...or any of them.

Billy Graham most assuredly believes in HEdoublehockysticks, I was born and raised In Asheville, 20 minutes from the Billy Graham Center and have heard him many times. He has a simple and straight forward message.

I don't watch TBN any more, but I learned a lot about the Bible watching that show....not from all, but from some. I'm sure God fine tunes our ears to hear what we need, when we need it....whether it comes across the airwaves or on a billboard or out of the mouths of babes....sort of like don't shoot messinger.

[Rouster]

Please inform us where this "record" can be found.....Thx RW

I'd like to see your proof myself; can't believe Billy Graham said that..

[Swamp Runner]

Type in a search on the net for anything like this

The first site to pop up had this transcrpit of a "Conversation" between Robert Schuler and Billy Graham.

I HAVE NO IDEA IF IT IS ACCURATE OR NOT

http://www.mercifultruth.com/graham.htm


Billy Graham's View on the salvation of mankind
It's interesting to hear one of evangelicalism’s foremost leaders endorse a doctrine called "inclusivism," which teaches that people can come to saving faith by the means of general revelation. That means one does not have to actually hear of Christ nor the bible to be “saved.” This view is considered heretical by many denominations.

Schuller: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?


Billy Graham: Well, Christianity and being a true believer—you know, I think there’s the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God’s purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that’s what God is doing today, He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.


Schuller: What, what I hear you saying that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?


Graham: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they’ve believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they’ve tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.


Schuller: [R. S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I’m so thrilled to hear you say this. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy.

Graham: There is. There definitely is.

[Inthegarge]

Still don't see anything saying he doesn't believe in punishment for those who don't know Christ.. Bible says that man should be able to see God in nature... What a twist as man tried to use their interpretation of nature to refute God... RW

PS Glad WE don't decide who is and who isn't saved !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vanguard1]

well all i can say is how can someone believe in someone they have not heard of, that would be unjust and God is a just God.