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GeauxLSU
05-11-2006, 10:30 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060511/ts_nm/pope_gays_dc_1

Pope attacks gay marriage, some politicians upset By Philip Pullella
1 hour, 29 minutes ago

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict, speaking out on a topic that Italy's incoming centre-left government will likely have to confront, on Thursday condemned gay marriage and legal recognition of unwed couples.

The 79-year-old German Pope immediately came under fire from some leftists who accused him of trying to write the country's political agenda.

The Pope, speaking to a conference on marriage and the family, reaffirmed the Church's position that marriage had to be a union between a man and a woman and open to procreation.

"Only the rock of total and irrevocable love between a man and a woman is capable of being the foundation of building a society that becomes a home for all mankind," he said.

He told the group that marriage was between a man and a woman "who are open to the transmission of life and thus cooperate with God in the generation of new human beings."

The coalition of incoming Prime Minister Romano Prodi promises some form of recognition for unmarried couples but has stopped short of openly supporting gay marriage as part of its program.

However, some coalition parties back greater rights for homosexuals, including marriage, and the issue is widely expected to surface sooner or later after the government is sworn in next week.

Franco Grillini, a leftist parliamentarian who is openly gay, accused the Pope of trying "to write a political agenda" and of "ignoring the rights of million of Italians who live together."

Vladimir Luxuria, Europe's first "transgender" lawmaker and a member of Prodi's coalition, went further in criticizing the Pope, saying it was the duty of a lay state to "recognize and regulate" homosexual unions.

Italy's Catholic Church has already served notice to the center left that it will fight any move to recognize civil partnership for unwed heterosexual couples and gay couples.

Some in the center left support a legal recognition similar to that in France, which in 1999 granted all couples the right to form civil unions and have the right to joint social security, limited inheritance rights and other benefits.

But in his address, the Pope took direct aim at such formal recognition of couple who are not married.

"Today, it has become urgent to avoid confusion between (marriage) and other types of unions which are based on a love that is weak," he said.

Luxuria, the leftist parliamentarian, criticized the Pope for suggesting that gay love was weaker than heterosexual love.

Gay unions are already legal in several European countries, including traditionally Catholic Spain. Britain has introduced a law allowing gays to formalize their relationships.

Branchminnow
05-11-2006, 10:38 AM
I aint catholic but i think he and I could be freinds

Double Barrel BB
05-11-2006, 10:46 AM
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad to see that the leader of the Catholic church is standing up! Wish other churches would do the same thing!

DB BB

gordon 2
05-11-2006, 11:25 AM
Europeans have long dismissed the "Church of Rome" and most other denominations regards social initiatives. Not long ago for them, church was politics and they have had their fill of it.

dbone
05-11-2006, 02:42 PM
So the pope doesn't condone civil union , or allow Priests to marry , But molesting young boys isn't only condoned but covered up :crazy:

Dixie Dawg
05-11-2006, 10:40 PM
:pop: :pop: :pop:

SBG
05-12-2006, 06:42 AM
So the pope doesn't condone civil union , or allow Priests to marry , But molesting young boys isn't only condoned but covered up :crazy:

Hey Dbone. How about not taking your personal feelings about one particular member for his views in the political forum against a whole religious denomination. If you think that the Catholic Church "condones" molestation, you are really a lot more ignorant than everyone on this board thinks.

Branchminnow
05-12-2006, 08:07 AM
Thanks SBG

dbone
05-12-2006, 03:56 PM
SBG you're the one showing the stupidity , I didn't call out a whole religion or any member on this board , I pointed out the truth that the higherarchy of the church does indeed condone it and covers it up instead of dealing with it and it is quite hypocritical considering their stance on gay rights and Priests ability to marry , So why don't you mind your own business !

Branchminnow
05-12-2006, 03:58 PM
Wow this From A MOD

GeauxLSU
05-12-2006, 04:07 PM
Wow this From A MOD
Yep. It's been repeated a thousand times with no apparent action. Nice isn't it?

Branchminnow
05-12-2006, 04:13 PM
meds.......................:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

BANDERSNATCH
05-12-2006, 10:17 PM
:pop:

Bandy

Arrowslinger
05-12-2006, 10:32 PM
Dbone I've read some pretty ignorant things you've said before but that takes the cake. The worst part is you don't see anything wrong with it.

gordon 2
05-13-2006, 09:24 AM
You are a bit hard on Dbone in my view. The condone part is a bit off, but the cover-up part is not! So Dbone is not totally ignorant or wrong. Attributing the coverup of sexual predatory practices to Pope Ben...is true only if you substitute "some in leadership" and not the Pope Ben himself.

For the misnaming of subjects in sentences...now I will forgive that of Dbone, cause I knew what he meant. Similar statements are made all the time about muslims, and no one blinks a moral eye.

SBG
05-14-2006, 03:05 PM
Similar statements are made all the time about muslims, and no one blinks a moral eye.

Really? Show me one that has been made on here that isn't true.

gordon 2
05-14-2006, 03:24 PM
I will not dig them up, simply because they are not worth the agravations they will cause. And we be drifting away from the topic at had. Pope Ben's interventions in Italian politics.

Simply when we speak of groups it is easy to confuse chruch and state or mosque and state. As in Muslims and Islamists or Christianism or christianist and christians.

Muslims are part of a faith, like christians. Islamists weild Islam as a political force same as christianist or chirstianism. The isms are political ideologies, and not the proper names of faiths.

My point is that the Pope is not the all and be all of catholic leadership. Some catholics are, or some of the catholic leadership is.... as in, Some muslims are....and not Muslims are....etc... Islamists are muslims, but all muslims are not Islamists. Some catholic leaders covered up, but not all catholic leaders etc....

That is all.

Politics in Europe don't do God, from this or that religious group. Lots of folks have filled graveyards overthere, for just these reasons, social and politicals isms trying to influence what is more properly secular...or politics proper.