The growing anti-religious movement

seaweaver · Sep 27, 2011

I'm not a Christian, But I'm not scared of them either...but I see a growing trend of those who are. Many old friends (and still are) are propagating this fear on social media. I do not understand it, however I do see it as a detriment to society and the Nation as their general bent is towards socialism, social justice ect....and that to them... morality should be man derived.
To this movement as a secondary function of my screaming conservatism as I have fled the plantation....I have become a better foil against these people than many of my Christian friends. To them and to all of you I STRONGLY suggest David Bartons' Original Intent.
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In utilizing the first 3 chapters alone I have been able to dowse the raging fire of many. Some you never will reach on matters of religion and government...but it's the masses reading along quietly in these forums that need the lesson of Original Intent . Whether I or them ever get religion is secondary to making sure that distortions these people propagate does not turn into a conflagration that usurps all of our Rights as Citizens (socialism and worse).

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cw

j_seph · Sep 27, 2011

Why would anyone be scared of a Christian?

seaweaver · Sep 27, 2011

I think the left sees a theocracy coming while the Islamists are sneaking in the back door. That would be one element..that is were I see the fear being sparked. The secondary part leans to their socialist tendencies of which religion is not compatible except when it is distorted to hide the direction as it was in central America w/ the rise of Marxist fervor, or in Black liberation theology.
cw

centerpin fan · Sep 27, 2011

seaweaver said:
I think the left sees a theocracy coming while the Islamists are sneaking in the back door.

Yes, the left always accuses Christians of wanting to do what the radical Muslims are actually doing. David Horowitz wrote an excellent book on the "partnership" between the American left and radical Islam:

http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Allian...=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1317130416&sr=1-8

How did they get together? The left and radical Islam both hate America, and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

seaweaver said:
I think the left sees a theocracy coming while the Islamists are sneaking in the back door. That would be one element..that is were I see the fear being sparked. The secondary part leans to their socialist tendencies of which religion is not compatible except when it is distorted to hide the direction as it was in central America w/ the rise of Marxist fervor, or in Black liberation theology.
cw

I think the basic problem is that Christians and the left worship two different gods. Christians worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the left worships government.

JB0704 · Sep 27, 2011

centerpin fan said:
Christians worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the left worships government.

Now I am not defending the left, or Islam's positions, but, who do Christian leftists worship? Doesn't Islam worship the God of Abraham (I know very little about that religion)?

JB0704 · Sep 27, 2011

j_seph said:
Why would anyone be scared of a Christian?

Depends on the type of Christians. The ones I grew up around were scary.

centerpin fan · Sep 27, 2011

JB0704 said:
... who do Christian leftists worship?

I often wonder that myself.

JB0704 said:
Now Doesn't Islam worship the God of Abraham

Yes.

formula1 · Sep 27, 2011

Re:

Thanks, seaweaver for your thoughts. And even though you are not a Christian, I thank you for being very much aware of the founding principles of our great nation and at the same time, not being fearful of them but embracing them.

There is certainly no need to fear us Christians. Most of us know that our true intent is not toward theocracy, but for a change of heart from the inner man out, that the hope of God's redemption can reside in each individual through Christ. Why anyone would fear that, I do not know. I suspect its as you say, somehow our desire to speak to rule of law and common sense seems like a effort to establish theocratic control. But perhaps, the power of control of the individual within socialist agendas stands directly opposed to freedom of the mind in Christ, and that is the true battlefield. Whatever the motive is, I thank you for bringing it up for a reasoned discussion.

Madman · Sep 27, 2011

centerpin fan said:
I think the basic problem is that Christians and the left worship two different gods. Christians worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the left worships government.

CF makes a good point. I don't think most people have a problem with "god" or "a god" they just want him to be more like themselves.

WaltL1 · Sep 27, 2011

This is what scares them. From the Politicul Forum. They probaly dont have a problem with God or Christians or your right to worship. This is what they have a problem with -

The laws that you are against is because you feel it is against your religion. What anybody else believes or their rights or their freedoms or anything else except what you believe is right doesnt matter to you. Just say that and be done with it for cryin out loud.

I did say that when I posted the 10 commandments. I believe what is right and wrong is in the Bible. Nothing more, nothing less.

centerpin fan · Sep 27, 2011

WaltL1 said:
This is what scares them. From the Politicul Forum. They probaly dont have a problem with God or Christians or your right to worship. This is what they have a problem with ...

I disagree. They don't have a problem with Christians. They only have a problem with Christians who aren't leftists like they are.

When Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee ran for president, the left went nuts over the "coming theocracy". When it was Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson running for president, though -- hey, no problem! That's because Sharpton and Jackson are committed leftists who toe the liberal line.

WaltL1 · Sep 27, 2011

centerpin fan said:
I disagree. They don't have a problem with Christians. They only have a problem with Christians who aren't leftists like they are.

When Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee ran for president, the left went nuts over the "coming theocracy". When it was Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson running for president, though -- hey, no problem! That's because Sharpton and Jackson are committed leftists who toe the liberal line.

Not sure why you are so focused on leftists and totally dismiss the part where the "christian" said everybody elses rights, freedoms and beliefs dont matter. Disagree all you want and watch the opposition grow.

centerpin fan · Sep 27, 2011

WaltL1 said:
Not sure why you are so focused on leftists ...

Because that's what the OP was about.

WaltL1 said:
... the "christian" said everybody elses rights, freedoms and beliefs dont matter.

As a Christian, I don't believe that, and I don't know any Christian who does. If I remember correctly, you were quoting "Randy", and I really don't think he believes that "everybody elses rights, freedoms and beliefs dont matter." He can answer you directly if he wants, though.

WaltL1 said:
Disagree all you want and watch the opposition grow.

Should Christians just sit at home and not vote?

mtnwoman · Sep 27, 2011

The leftys are the ones that want to have a socialist nation. Everyone should get equal healthcare...but they are too good to go to the health dept social services that we have set up now. I'm a Christian and disabled, I have to go there and I've worked most of my life..35 years at bellsouth. One lefty told me she didn't have health care...she's an artist, never worked....but she wasn't going to go the health dept with all the poor people.

She's built 2 houses in the past few years but claims she can't even go to the doctor...and that free healthcare should be a right for everyone. She also has no problem with illegal immigration, abortion is perfectly fine, no death penalty though. And I'm sure she'd feed any Christian to the lions, because it's all our fault.

This same stuff was said during the Obama election, and as we see he has certainly done a phenominal job.

Why does it always have to be one side or the other? Now it's the Christians.

I'm not afraid of nonChristians, either. At least for now we still have the right to bear arms, if it was left up to the liberals and the left, that would be taken away, too.

WaltL1 · Sep 27, 2011

centerpin fan said:
Because that's what the OP was about.

As a Christian, I don't believe that, and I don't know any Christian who does. If I remember correctly, you were quoting "Randy", and I really don't think he believes that "everybody elses rights, freedoms and beliefs dont matter." He can answer you directly if he wants, though.

Should Christians just sit at home and not vote?

The OP was about the growing anti-christian movement. I provided an example that fuels it.
His response is cut and pasted on the last line in my original post so you do know 1.
Of course you should vote. Why wouldnt you?

mtnwoman · Sep 27, 2011

WaltL1 said:
Not sure why you are so focused on leftists and totally dismiss the part where the "christian" said everybody elses rights, freedoms and beliefs dont matter. Disagree all you want and watch the opposition grow.

Is that why abortion is legal? Is that why we can't put a nativity on public property, like the court house? Is that why we can't pray in public? But we can put a mosque on ground zero....alrighty then.

I think we'd better watch the illegal mexican population grow....they are taking over the country without a shot fired. And some of our men in this country will do nothing...well except complain about all the stuff Christians should and shouldn't be doing?

WaltL1 · Sep 27, 2011

mtnwoman said:
Is that why abortion is legal? Is that why we can't put a nativity on public property, like the court house? Is that why we can't pray in public? But we can put a mosque on ground zero....alrighty then.

I think we'd better watch the illegal mexican population grow....they are taking over the country without a shot fired. And some of our men in this country will do nothing...well except complain about all the stuff Christians should and shouldn't be doing?

Believe it or not you are getting fired up at the wrong person. Again - the Op was about the growing anti religious movement. Again - I provided an example of what makes people feel that way. You can dismiss it or believe it. Your choice and I respect that. As for your examples - abortion i have mixed feelings about. Putting a navitivity scene in front of a court house is fine with me. Do you mind if other religions put their things next to it? You praying in public isnt illegal is it? Illegals of any nationality should all be kicked out. Mosque anywhere near ground zero disgusts me.

centerpin fan · Sep 27, 2011

WaltL1 said:
His response is cut and pasted on the last line in my original post so you do know 1.

As I said, I read that thread, too, and I don't think he meant what you think he did. I certainly didn't get that impression.

WaltL1 · Sep 27, 2011

centerpin fan said:
As I said, I read that thread, too, and I don't think he meant what you think he did. I certainly didn't get that impression.[/QUOTE

Really? You dont get that impression? Read those words in red again. What possible other impression is there? I dont have a problem at all with you sticking up for a fellow christian but come on now.

centerpin fan · Sep 27, 2011

WaltL1 said:
The OP was about the growing anti-christian movement.

And where is it growing? On the left.

Bill Keller of the NY Times recently opined that a series of religions questions should be directed at the Republican candidates for president. Should the same questions have been posed to candidate Barack Obama and Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress? Yes, if the Times had any interest in being unbiased in their reporting.

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