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StriperAddict
08-28-2006, 05:56 PM
August 28, 2006

CBS To Air Profanity-Laden Program

Network testing waters to see how far they can go.

Not content with all the profanity already on TV, CBS has decided to air the profanity-laden unedited version of "9/11" on Sept. 10. The decision by CBS is a slap in the face to the FCC and Congress, which recently raised indecency fines to $325,000 per incident.

"9/11," which will be shown in prime-time, contains a tremendous amount of hardcore profanity. CBS has stated they have not, and will not, make any cuts in the amount and degree of profanity. In addition, the network is suing the FCC over the indecency law, saying they should be able to show whatever they desire whenever they desire. CBS wants no limits.

This is a test case for CBS to see how far they can go. If there is no out-pouring of complaints from the public, they will go further the next time.

The profanity is so bad that CBS has warned their affiliates that they could be subject to huge fines. The FCC says it will fine not only the networks, but also affiliates if the law is violated. Under the new Broadcast Decency Act the $325,000 per incident could run into millions of dollars not only for the network but also for local affiliates.

CBS could very easily bleep out the profanity, but they refuse. The network wants no restraints on their programming. If they are allowed to get away with this, they will simply air even more profanity in the future.

Take Action
It is time to tell CBS and the other networks that enough is enough!

Send an email, asking the FCC to enforce the law. Your email will go not only to the FCC, but also to CBS.

Contact your local CBS affiliate and ask them not to air "9/11."
Click Here: (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/31/utility/main517034.shtml)
to find their contact information or use your local phone directory.

Please forward this to your friends and family. Share this information with members of your Sunday School class and church, and urge them to get involved.

If no changes are made and your CBS affiliate carries the program, AFA will provide you with information for filing a formal complaint with the FCC.

Click Here (https://secure.afa.net/afa/activism/takeaction.asp?id=209 ) to Email the FCC and CBS now.

CAL
08-28-2006, 06:16 PM
It is a crying shame the people of this country have to be exposed to this kind of language by CBS or any other means.Any way we cut it profanity is simply a lack of vocabulary on the part of the individual.I find it adds nothing to any conversation except to demonstrate an individuals lack of intelligence.My .02 cents.

Handgunner
08-29-2006, 12:40 AM
Turn the channel. ;)

PWalls
08-29-2006, 07:50 AM
Turn the channel. ;)

Yep, that might would be a viable option. However, you let one do it and then they will all start doing it. Pretty soon, there won't be a channel to turn it to.

Of course I have solved that at my house by turning the cable off. TV in my house only comes on to watch a Netflix rental (which I have 100% control over) or to play the PS2.

blindhog
08-29-2006, 08:14 AM
All across the channels there is raw porn now, cussing and sexual content is rampant.

PWalls has done the only thing right, quit watching altogether!

Bet nobody hears that from a pulpit these days!

Dudley Do-Wrong
08-29-2006, 08:33 AM
I'l willing to bet dollars to donuts that they will claim first amendment rights.

Vernon Holt
08-29-2006, 09:01 AM
There surely must be some misunderstanding here. Everybody knows that conditions are better now than they used to be.

This was clearly established in a recent thread.

No. GA. Mt. Man
08-29-2006, 09:57 AM
All across the channels there is raw porn now, cussing and sexual content is rampant.



Bet nobody hears that from a pulpit these days!
You sure do at Old Fashioned our preacher preaches against all that and laying out of church, drinking,dressing like a harlot and other things that are accepted or shuned by alot but not all preachers nowdays.

FESTUSHAGGIN
08-29-2006, 10:13 AM
i would be interested to see a credible source for this information. not saying it isnt accurate but it almost sounds like propaganda. i did a goole search and the only websites i found this article on were onemilliondads.com and onemillionmoms.com again i am not refuting this nor do i disagree with what it is saying but i would like to see it in a more credible source before i put much stock in it. i find it hard to believe that a major network like cbs would go toe to toe with the fcc. all they would have to do is snatch their broadcasting license and guess what no more cbs. they will dance on the line all the time but i doubt they would take a diving leap over it. if i am wrong i will be the first to admit it so somebody help me find some proof.

bradpatt03
08-29-2006, 10:34 AM
didn't find anything but this on snopes...from 8/29/06

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/pending/fcc.asp

reylamb
08-29-2006, 12:07 PM
This is being completely, totally, 100% blown out of proportion. If CBS is warning affiliates, they forgot theirs in Atlanta and Charleston for sure......since I have friends in both markets I went to the source.

According to my morning emails there is no pending, nor rumored lawsuits pending for CBS against the FCC, at least not as it is stated in this email.

While I am certainly not happy with the current language allowed on primtime network TV, we all have the option on our remote controls.....turn the channel. At some point in time we as a society have decided that we need the government to decide what is appropriate and not for us and our children to watch.

Having said all of that, 9/11 is considered a documentary. As such documentaries have more leeway with what they can and can not show and what language can be used. Many years ago NBC aired Shindlers List unedited, including the full frontal nudity. The appropriate warnings were shown at the beginning of the show and folks had the decision, watch or turn the channel. I suspect this "documentary" will be much the same. Understanding human nature as it is, I am fairly certain the language used by those on the planes, in the towers, and the rescue workers would make sailors blush. If the language is a reflection of what happend we have a choice, watch or turn the channel.

270win
08-31-2006, 12:42 AM
Has anyone seen this documentary? I saw it about 2 years ago. It's an incredible story that actually takes you into the towers before they fall. The language is pretty bad at spots, although it's different. In the movies they use foul language for effect... These are just real people that are totally overwhelmed by what's happening to them and around them. To me it was far more disturbing to hear the sounds of bodies hitting the ground and the roof above the lobby... people were jumping out of the towers to their death.

Anyway, I'm not a really a TV watcher. Weather channel and hunting videos.. I'm not one to condone foul language or content coming into our home either. I just thought I'd try to help people know what this documentary is about.

I can tell you this, my kids will not be watching this. It's far too shocking to watch the events of 9/11 unedited for a child....

Be blessed,
270

StriperAddict
09-08-2006, 02:20 PM
CBS Affiliate General Manager Says 9/11 Clearly Violates New FCC Rules

Your local manager needs to see this! Please forward this information to him.


CBS will air their program 9/11 this coming Sunday evening. The program contains much obscene language. CBS has said they absolutely will not mute the obscenities.

Rick Jordan, General Manager and Vice President of CBS affiliate WBOC-TV in Salisbury, Maryland, had this to say concerning the obscene language:

"This program contains elements which CLEARLY violate the Federal Communication Commissionís NEW indecency guidelines and policies. While this program has aired two other times on our station in past years, this program's content is now in direct violation of the FCC's recently revised and enacted indecency rules.

"WBOC is granted a license to serve the public by the FCC, and as a federally licensed television station, the station is required to adhere to the rules and regulations set forth by the Federal Communications Commission. The FCC has refused to make any exception to their new rules for stations that choose to air this show and violate these new policies. WBOC intends on complying with our requirements as public trustees by airing an alternate program."

Please forward this email information to your local station manager today!

To find you local station's email address, click here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/31/utility/main517034.shtml (Click Here). If it is not available, you can call your local station and ask them for a valid email address.

Dawg In the Swamp
09-08-2006, 03:59 PM
Seriously. From what I know these are profanities from the fireman who were there saving lives and losing thier own in the process. It just so happens that on 911 a firehouse had a camera man doing a documentary on them and then 911 happened.

If you dont like it turn the channel. These men died heroicly saving others. I say its worth airing whether it be profain or not. I get AFA alerts but at times they should just shut thier trap.

pnome
09-08-2006, 04:04 PM
You shouldn't be watching CBS anyway. They are terrible!

StriperAddict
09-08-2006, 05:53 PM
I want to see this program myself, but if we had kids I'd be disappointed that I couldn't show it to them because the language wasn't bleeped out. That's all it takes, why can't they do that? The 'extra (graphic) reality' isn't necessary, IMO.

:pop:

StriperAddict
09-08-2006, 06:29 PM
i would be interested to see a credible source for this information. not saying it isnt accurate but it almost sounds like propaganda. i did a goole search and the only websites i found this article on were onemilliondads.com and onemillionmoms.com again i am not refuting this nor do i disagree with what it is saying but i would like to see it in a more credible source before i put much stock in it. i find it hard to believe that a major network like cbs would go toe to toe with the fcc. all they would have to do is snatch their broadcasting license and guess what no more cbs. they will dance on the line all the time but i doubt they would take a diving leap over it. if i am wrong i will be the first to admit it so somebody help me find some proof.

Here's some links on the latest update, about CBS affiliate WBOC not running the 9/11 program...

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?
S=5366545&nav=MXEF

The AFA update I just sited in post 13 is repeated here for credibility:

http://www.freepress.net/news/17491

contender*
09-08-2006, 07:40 PM
Sounds to me like a conspiracy to get people not to watch the documentary!! A LOT of people would like EVERYONE to forget about the terrorist attacks, it's called desensitizing! Any accurate documentary that is made should be required watching for every school kid from 8th grade up! I'm not an advocate of dirty stuff on TV but I have heard a lot of crying about these documentarys not being shown on TV.

270win
09-08-2006, 09:52 PM
I believe that this country needs to see and remember that day again. We've forgotten much of what we experienced. I hate to say it, but we need a reminder like this or another attack to help us realize the threat that we face from Islam. Having seen this documentary I would have to say that even with the language "bleeped out" it's still too much for small children... But us adults need to revive our resolve to fight until Islam is no longer a threat. Maybe this documantary will help....

Be blessed,
270

Buzz
09-08-2006, 10:10 PM
Interesting discussion. Many folks are concerned about kids hearing dirty words. From my perspective I'd be more worried about kids seeing dismemebered, crushed, maimed, and burnt bodies than a few curse words. IMO - if the kids are too young to handle the language they are probably too young to handle the sheer horror of the situation in the first place. Just my opinion and it's worth exactly what you paid for it.

270win
09-08-2006, 10:14 PM
I agree with Dawg in the swamp....
AFA is generally very good at what they do, but sometimes they do miss the big picture while trying to "protect" us from evil...

JMO
270

Throwback
09-09-2006, 12:06 AM
I'll assure you, if you were present at the scene of the twin towers, pentagon, or a Pa field, you heard all kinds of hard core profanity.

I won't let my kids watch it, but not because of the profanity.

No different than Saving Private Ryan. I wasn't offended in the least by anything on there, and I don't generally like cussing. Won't let my kids watch that either, but not because of the language.

T

Throwback
09-09-2006, 12:09 AM
There surely must be some misunderstanding here. Everybody knows that conditions are better now than they used to be.

This was clearly established in a recent thread.

PREACH IT MR. VERNON PREACH IT!!! :yeah:


T:cheers:

OFD2Truck
09-09-2006, 08:22 AM
I have seen this at the firehouse and if you have not seen it, I suggest you watch and find out what these men went through. Please dont condem these men for the language they used. If you have not watched this documentry before, please watch as a tribute to those who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

I watched and noticed brothers I shared dinner with, laughed with and ate with. The look on their faces says it all. When they are in the lobby of WTC, they knew their fate yet continued up those stairs. I'm sorry if some of you are offended......like was stated earlier, turn the channel.

It is a must see and yes I will sit with my children (10,12,14) and answer questions they have. I will let them know that the people who flew those planes into that building are the bad people......not the people who were saving lives using profanity. This was history and it happened. We can not turn our back on this event and deny our children the OPPORTUNITY to wintess history.

To all my brothers who I saw for the last time on the documentry I say "well done men!" God bless you all!::;

Dawg In the Swamp
09-09-2006, 11:12 AM
Seeing as this is in the spiritual discussion thread I would assume that for those who do have children that they have taught what words are proper and what words are not.

Unfortunately no matter what we do (outside of locking them in a box) children are going to hear the foulest of words. I would say it is a more fruitful fight to prepare them for this language, its context, its sinful nature and foulness.

By all means every parent raises their children the way they want. But wouldn't you find it easier to be there with them when they are exposed to this language early on so that you can discuss it with them.

Sorry if I came off a bit agitated in my earlier post. It just ticks me off that AFA seems to be treating this no different than an unedited airing of a 50 cent concert. I believe I'm through with AFA.

Dawg In the Swamp
09-09-2006, 08:06 PM
Well I just saw a ticker run across my screen down here stating that it will now be shown at 11pm, on a work night. Thanks alot AFA.

270win
09-09-2006, 08:46 PM
:rolleyes:

270

270win
09-10-2006, 06:23 PM
According to the TV guide channel, this will be airing tonight at 8:00....

270

matthewsman
09-10-2006, 06:37 PM
It's up to the individual if you want to watch it or not....If it is a documentary,documenting the events as it happened,they would be doing a disservice by leaving out the profanity.It happened as it happened and that's how it was....

I think even "The Passion of the Christ" is too strong for most kids.You have to use your own discernment in what is right for you and your family.....

We will watch it at our house,profanity or not.Sometimes the message ISN'T in the words........:flag:

Handgunner
09-10-2006, 07:34 PM
I'll be watching it...

My opinion is this, the full effect would not be fully appreciated until you hear/see it, how it actually went down.

Much like a public execution. If they showed the guy walking up the steps to the noose, then showed him being wheeled out on a stretcher, what purpose would that serve? None.

For the full effect, you need the full story.

9/11 was Brutal to many people, and I think that's the way it should be portrayed - the brutal truth. No sugar-coating, nothing -- just "As Is".

pfharris1965
09-10-2006, 08:46 PM
Seriously. From what I know these are profanities from the fireman who were there saving lives and losing thier own in the process. It just so happens that on 911 a firehouse had a camera man doing a documentary on them and then 911 happened.

If you dont like it turn the channel. These men died heroicly saving others. I say its worth airing whether it be profain or not. I get AFA alerts but at times they should just shut thier trap.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Turn the channel... :bounce:

StriperAddict
09-11-2006, 02:12 PM
Seeing as this is in the spiritual discussion thread I would assume that for those who do have children that they have taught what words are proper and what words are not.

Unfortunately no matter what we do (outside of locking them in a box) children are going to hear the foulest of words. I would say it is a more fruitful fight to prepare them for this language, its context, its sinful nature and foulness.

By all means every parent raises their children the way they want. But wouldn't you find it easier to be there with them when they are exposed to this language early on so that you can discuss it with them.

Sorry if I came off a bit agitated in my earlier post. It just ticks me off that AFA seems to be treating this no different than an unedited airing of a 50 cent concert. I believe I'm through with AFA.


Good post... thanks.


I didn't get to see it... what did ya'll think of the broadcast?? Good history? Too 'political'?, etc.
(Is it being re-aired anytime?)

270win
09-11-2006, 04:15 PM
I thought it was good. Itwas more about the firemen than about terrorism or politics. They should aire it again. I cancelled my AFA emails....

Handgunner
09-11-2006, 06:38 PM
I watched it and even though it had some cussing in it, it was nothing I expected it to be from reading some of the posts here.

I was expecting a full out barrage of cusswords from beginning to end.

That wasn't the case.

If you watched that last night and didn't get choked up at least once, or didn't have to hold back a tear, something is wrong with you...

Tragic... hearing people jump and hit the ground like that... and that one firemans words are what I thought while watching this all unfold when it first happened years ago...

"How bad is it, when jumping from 80 stories up is the better option????"

God be with all them.

tr21
09-11-2006, 08:11 PM
you poor people, are not smart enough to look out for yourselves and need the goverment or someone else to watch over you.they told you at every break that this program contained adult language (and your not smart enough to change the channel) so someone needs to make sure that you or anyone else that wanted to watch it can't,because you obviously wanted to watch it.i don't come to your chuch for a beer, so don't come to my bar and tell me i can't drink one !!!!!!

Handgunner
09-11-2006, 08:22 PM
you poor people, are not smart enough to look out for yourselves and need the goverment or someone else to watch over you.they told you at every break that this program contained adult language (and your not smart enough to change the channel) so someone needs to make sure that you or anyone else that wanted to watch it can't,because you obviously wanted to watch it.i don't come to your chuch for a beer, so don't come to my bar and tell me i can't drink one !!!!!!
Brutal... But a lot of truth in that statement.

Guy
09-11-2006, 11:32 PM
you poor people, are not smart enough to look out for yourselves and need the goverment or someone else to watch over you.they told you at every break that this program contained adult language (and your not smart enough to change the channel) so someone needs to make sure that you or anyone else that wanted to watch it can't,because you obviously wanted to watch it.i don't come to your chuch for a beer, so don't come to my bar and tell me i can't drink one !!!!!!

Great reply!!:clap:

I think some people on this forum needed this!!

If you are not happy with a program or network, CHANGE THE CHANNEL!

AAADawg
09-11-2006, 11:37 PM
Where do ya'll buy these tvs without channell turning capabilities or an on/off switch??? Ya'll should take em back and get your money back on those kinds of TVS....Ive never seen a TV that wouldnt change channels are turn off if you unplugged it....if you got one maybe its Gods way of telling you to watch the dadgum thing...if you unplug it and the obscenities and pornography still comes on then something truly evil is afoot at your house!!!! Maybe you should cut the power lines down to your place also!!!! ANd the Phone lInes....no telling how all that devlish stuff is getting in!!!!

BIGABOW
09-12-2006, 04:21 AM
you poor people, are not smart enough to look out for yourselves and need the goverment or someone else to watch over you.they told you at every break that this program contained adult language (and your not smart enough to change the channel) so someone needs to make sure that you or anyone else that wanted to watch it can't,because you obviously wanted to watch it.i don't come to your chuch for a beer, so don't come to my bar and tell me i can't drink one !!!!!!

Got to agree with Delton on that one................
Brutal ,but a lot of truth there!

Double Barrel BB
09-12-2006, 11:13 AM
So it is ok to watch "PUBLIC TV"(TV that you don't have to pay for) that has Profanity in it? Is that what you all are saying?

It is a sad, sad, day when people are OK with using "Colorful Metaphors" to describe how they are feeling. To me it shows a lack of knowledge for someone to use profanity.

You use profanity infront of me, my wife, or my children and I will call you out on it!

Just because you are in a bad situation or because something terrible happens, the first thing you do is use profanity. The first thing you should do is get on your knees and pray to God that he helps you deal with the situation.

America would be better off if we all got down on our knees and prayed to God, rather then spout off some obscene words.

DB BB

FESTUSHAGGIN
09-12-2006, 11:36 AM
So it is ok to watch "PUBLIC TV"(TV that you don't have to pay for) that has Profanity in it? Is that what you all are saying?

It is a sad, sad, day when people are OK with using "Colorful Metaphors" to describe how they are feeling. To me it shows a lack of knowledge for someone to use profanity.

You use profanity infront of me, my wife, or my children and I will call you out on it!

Just because you are in a bad situation or because something terrible happens, the first thing you do is use profanity. The first thing you should do is get on your knees and pray to God that he helps you deal with the situation.

America would be better off if we all got down on our knees and prayed to God, rather then spout off some obscene words.

DB BB

well said.

i do have to say this. the same amendment that allows people to do this also allows us to worship how we choose. no i am in no way in favor of foul language especially on tv. the reason being is because alot of times people dont even notice it when its on tv. if you dont notice it its alot easier to accept. but i also realize that i have the capability to turn the channel. there are alot more imorral people in the world than moral. nothing we ever do is going to change that. things are only going to get worse. that can be backed up by bible. so use the power of free will that god gave you. if something is offensive walk away. if you dont walk aay then you are no different that the rest of the world. dont be afraid to walk out of a movie. dont be afraid to say no to your children. dont be afraid to face ridicule from people around you because you try to live a cleab life. Jesus was persecuted for his actions. and it says in the bible that his followers will also be persecuted. we are a minority. ultimately christians will never change the world. it will always be a vile unclean place. and get ready people cause its only gonna get worse. and the bad thing is we made it this way. everything is acceptable. we finish watching that movie even though it had a little bit of rough language. and the next movie had a little more. then a little nudity came in, and then next thing you know a pg movie is not fit for a child to watch. if you dont believe we have allowed this to happen walk into a mall and find a handful of young children. girls dressed like hookers, and young boys that look completely unpresentable. if you want to make a difference in the world to come dont complain about a tv channel doing something you dont like. turn the channell or turn it off. and spend a little more time with your children teach them some morals. teach them about god. and make them respect themselves. your children are the future of the world. if the moral ways are not passed to them then they will not pass them to their children. then god only knows what the world of the future may be like. sorry for the novel but i get carried away some times

PWalls
09-12-2006, 11:37 AM
I agree with Double Barrell BB on this one.

270win
09-12-2006, 11:57 AM
Some of these comments are very telling.

As Christians, we need to be mindful that there are many people who watch, read and sometimes respond to these forums that are not saved. Not everyone is where you are spiritually.

A natural man will act according to his nature....

Matt 7:6
"Do not give to dogs that which is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample you under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." Any advice, direction or teaching should be given in accordance with the spiritual capacity of the recipient....

Be blessed,
270

tr21
09-12-2006, 02:57 PM
ok i see how ya'll think.i guess next sunday morning i'll call the t.v. stations and complain that they are trying to force religion on me and these shows should be not be shown on public t.v.,but no i'm smart enough to change channels if i don't want to see it.how would you like to have someone come into your church during services and call the police to stop your preaching because it offended him.i could see the officer saying you idiot it's a church what did you expect. well the warnings they gave told you there was foul language on the program and it was your choice to watch anyway.this show was a true,real life, uncut documentary. you all need to watch the cartoon network for your entertainment.

PWalls
09-12-2006, 04:03 PM
Some of these comments are very telling.

As Christians, we need to be mindful that there are many people who watch, read and sometimes respond to these forums that are not saved. Not everyone is where you are spiritually.

A natural man will act according to his nature....

Matt 7:6
"Do not give to dogs that which is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample you under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." Any advice, direction or teaching should be given in accordance with the spiritual capacity of the recipient....

Be blessed,
270


I disagree somewhat. While I agree that the teaching should be tailored to the individual. The message should never change. Should you tell someone that it is OK to say a few curse words and then tell them later they can't say any? No! You tell them right now and up front that it is all bad.

How many Proverbs and other scripture is there about foul mouth and bad language? Our speech is to be uplifting and truthful and not full of curse words and lies. I'm sure there were people back in the "old" days of TV who thought just saying some of the milder 4-letter words on TV was probably OK. Now look at what we have. Give an inch and you will end up losing a mile.

I don't need a warning on my TV programs. I saw a long time ago that TV has degenerated into nothing but programs that aren't worth watching and are morally bankrupt. I don't do anything on TV now (cable is off and not antenna is installed) but to watch an occasional Netflix movie that I pick out or play a Playstation game with my kids that I purchased. I will gladly give up the few "good" programs so that I don't have to put up with the absurd amount of garbage out there.

OFD2Truck
09-12-2006, 04:23 PM
What the firemen did was REACT....and because of their actions they rescued over 30,000 people from both of those buildings. You can honestly sit here and condem them for the words they used? Are you more upset at the language they used or because it was aired? Either way, firefighters will write CBS and applaud them for having the cohones to not give in to special interests and do the right thing.:flag:

PWalls
09-12-2006, 04:54 PM
Please show in any of these posts where anyone on here has condemned those firemen for anything. I don't know of a single individual that doesn't have the utmost respect for what they did and for their sacrifice.

I disagree with the language they used. Yes. I also disagree that just about every TV program or movie that is watched nowadays has to have profanity in it since it is a "natural" thing or common place.

Honestly, I think the message would have gotten across and the realization and sacrifice and emotion would have been just as real had the "bleep" tool been used. Would not have detracted from the emotion of the movie.

Double Barrel BB
09-12-2006, 04:55 PM
this show was a true,real life, uncut documentary.

Movie making, even documentary making is all done in the editing room. If it was uncut, it would be alot longer then 2 hours.

Go ahead and call the T.V. stations the next time you see a church service on there. Most of the ones on T.V. need to be taken off. IMHO.

The cartoon network, isn't fit for children to look at with all the violence that is depicted on there. Plus it is a pay for channel as far as I know.

DB BB

Double Barrel BB
09-12-2006, 05:04 PM
What the firemen did was REACT....and because of their actions they rescued over 30,000 people from both of those buildings. You can honestly sit here and condem them for the words they used? Are you more upset at the language they used or because it was aired? Either way, firefighters will write CBS and applaud them for having the cohones to not give in to special interests and do the right thing.:flag:

None of us have condem any of the FF or Police for they had done. We just don't like the language they used.

You said they just "REACT". Is that a defense in a court of law? Oh I am sorry I hit this person, but it was just a reaction from them hitting me. Just because a person "REACT"'s doen't mean it is right.

I applaud the men and women that died that day saving others.

John 15:13
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Their heroic deeds were never in question in this discussion....

DB BB

Double Barrel BB
09-12-2006, 05:11 PM
Psalms 52:4
You love malicious gossip, you foul-mouth.

Proverbs 10:31
A good person's mouth is a clear fountain of wisdom; a foul mouth is a stagnant swamp.

Ephesians 4:29
Watch the way you talk. Let nothing foul or dirty come out of your mouth. Say only what helps, each word a gift.

tr21
09-12-2006, 05:48 PM
you know double barrel i guess we should just be glad that we live in the USA :flag: and we can agree to disagree.but if they ban everything that offends someone we will all be sitting in the middle of a forest naked wondering what happened.because it will never end,everything offends someone.:hammers:

Handgunner
09-12-2006, 06:59 PM
I understand how some people feel about language...

I must admit, sometimes I let loose a word here and there that I'm not proud of, but please don't think I'm a fool, uneducated, or vulgar for doing so. I do not use the blasphemous ones, at all, and cringe when I hear them. And set those straight that use them in front of me.

Does it not also say in the Bible "judge not, lest ye be judged also"? So if when you hear someone slip a word out, for you to think "he's uneducated"... Are you not going against the same Bible you quote from?

I would guess a cuss word is a cuss word, is a cuss word, but as I know, the Bible only mentions one as being an unforgivable sin.

I've seen and met many a good men that would do whatever they could to help someone. They would feed them their last meal, give them their last dollar, and the shirt off their own back, to help out another person in need.

Don't tell me those folks will serve their time in Haydes for a word they let loose here and there.

If it's true, still don't tell me. I'd like to not know those men who believed in God, and done best they could by Him, but sometimes failed, are going to Haydes because they chose to use a wrong word, were "uneducated", and so on, as some of you have described them. Granted, most were uneducated, but it wasn't for lack of want. It was because they had to choose -- eat this week and help my family farm by plowing, planting, picking cotton, tobacco, corn, peas, etc... Or, go to school and watch Daddy and Momma lose everything they worked their whole life for.

Uneducated in school? Yes. But the "School of Hard Knox, Common Sense, and Life Lessons 101"? they were Genuises!

I can not quote the Bible as some of you, and these thoughts only come from a boy who was raised in a backwoods southern Baptist church. If my beliefs are wrong, or my views on certain issues differ, I can only hope the God that I believe and trust in, will know that I try my best to lead a good life, and have mercy on me when my time comes.

270win
09-12-2006, 09:28 PM
I disagree somewhat. While I agree that the teaching should be tailored to the individual. The message should never change. Should you tell someone that it is OK to say a few curse words and then tell them later they can't say any? No! You tell them right now and up front that it is all bad.

Pwalls-
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. You are totally correct, the message should never change, truth is always truth whether the recipient receives it or not. I was simply saying that some of the comments would indicate that not everyone here is born again. That being the case, it's right to share the truth, but how can they receive it unless they are born again. This is what the scripture refrence was about.
Matt 7:6
"Do not give to dogs that which is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample you under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

Dogs and swine are considered unclean animals, just as unredeamed man is unclean in sin until saved.... Until man is made clean, washed in the blood of Jesus, he will continue to wallow in mud and return to his vomit.

This is not meant as a derrogatory statement toward anyone, it's simply an illustration of the capacity of redeemed versus unredeemed man to digest the truth of God's word and His standards for righteous living.

Hope that clears up my point.

Be blessed,
270

PWalls
09-13-2006, 08:41 AM
Pwalls-
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. You are totally correct, the message should never change, truth is always truth whether the recipient receives it or not. I was simply saying that some of the comments would indicate that not everyone here is born again. That being the case, it's right to share the truth, but how can they receive it unless they are born again. This is what the scripture refrence was about.
Matt 7:6
"Do not give to dogs that which is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample you under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

Dogs and swine are considered unclean animals, just as unredeamed man is unclean in sin until saved.... Until man is made clean, washed in the blood of Jesus, he will continue to wallow in mud and return to his vomit.

This is not meant as a derrogatory statement toward anyone, it's simply an illustration of the capacity of redeemed versus unredeemed man to digest the truth of God's word and His standards for righteous living.

Hope that clears up my point.

Be blessed,
270


Yes. Thank you.

Double Barrel BB
09-13-2006, 10:49 AM
Does it not also say in the Bible "judge not, lest ye be judged also"? So if when you hear someone slip a word out, for you to think "he's uneducated"... Are you not going against the same Bible you quote from?

I would guess a cuss word is a cuss word, is a cuss word, but as I know, the Bible only mentions one as being an unforgivable sin.

Don't tell me those folks will serve their time in Haydes for a word they let loose here and there.

If it's true, still don't tell me. I'd like to not know those men who believed in God, and done best they could by Him, but sometimes failed, are going to Haydes because they chose to use a wrong word, were "uneducated", and so on, as some of you have described them. Granted, most were uneducated, but it wasn't for lack of want. It was because they had to choose -- eat this week and help my family farm by plowing, planting, picking cotton, tobacco, corn, peas, etc... Or, go to school and watch Daddy and Momma lose everything they worked their whole life for.

Uneducated in school? Yes. But the "School of Hard Knox, Common Sense, and Life Lessons 101"? they were Genuises!

Delton,

Maybe I need to be clear here. Yes Delton there are many many types of education, Real Life, Books, etc. But if a person can not express themselves without using a foul word, then that is on that person, not me. It is their choice to use those words. As a redeemed person it is my job to spread The Word. That includes me standing up for what The Bible says.

I have never said that anyone will go to Haydes because they cussed. Someone else may have in this tread, but not me.

The problem with today's society is that "education(book)" is not Christ oriented, and never will be unless you home-school your kids. However, "Real Life Education" can be Christ oriented, it is still a choice.

I have seen some of the smartest people I know, use cuss words, but I have also seen the most uneducated(real life or books) use the same words. That is their choice.

I am not going to say I have never cussed, I have, but with the help of the Holy Spirit, and the conviction it put me under everytime I had let one slip, I don't anymore, because I know that it is not right and that it hinders my testimony for what Christ has done in my life.

The real question now is:
Society seems to think it is alright to let a cuss word out here and there, I was in a restaraunt the other night with my family and had some grown men sitting one table away from my family, using the f-bomb, the s-bomb, the d-bomb, alot of bombs, and talking about women's body parts, and I will not go into any other detail, but it didn't stop there. This was at a rather middle the road type of eating establishment, like an Apple Bees. I first told the manager, he did nothing. He said it was within there right to say what they wanted to. I then got up and went over and told the grown men, that I do not appreciate the way they are talking, and that my family can hear every word you say and that it is not appropriate for anyone to hear. i turned around and walked back to the table. They laughed, and still kept using the same words and comments. I talked to the manager again, and told him that if he did not do something about it, My family would leave, and be sure to never come back. The manager went over to them and told them they needed to tone it down, and the men did. Needless to say the toned down version wasn't much better than the full version. So my family and I got up and left, I will never return either.

So when do we as Christians stand up and say, "That's Enough!"? Where do you let Society(The World) draw the line?

Our duty as Christian Men and Women is to reprove, what the world has considered alright.

I never said they were uneducated. I said:
To me it shows a lack of knowledge for someone to use profanity.

As long as I Judge by The Bible, I will be Judged by The Bible. It is when I Judge out of my own sinfulness that I will be Judging wrongly.

DB BB

pfharris1965
09-13-2006, 05:57 PM
As long as I Judge by The Bible, I will be Judged by The Bible. It is when I Judge out of my own sinfulness that I will be Judging wrongly.

DB BB

:offtopic:

Are you saying that you are somehow empowered to judge others using the Bible as a measuring stick? What if you are applying it to someone that does not share the same faith/religion as you...then how do you apply a judgement to someone else?

Just asking for a clarification because I have read many of your posts and they are grounded solidly in personal conviction and for the most part common sense and that is why this particular bit of content caught me sort of off guard to see you seeemingly state that you are free to judge anyone as long as you apply the Bible that you believe in....

Handgunner
09-13-2006, 09:08 PM
DB BB,

I agree, somewhat with what you are saying and don't mean to come across as argumentative. That's not my intent.

I understand it's up to "us" to spread the word. But if you are talking about the Lord to your family at the same establishment, and the men were atheist and talk of the Lord offended them, would you appreciate them reporting you to the manager? And then asking you to tone it down because it offended them?

It's about freedom of speech and freewill I guess is where I'm sort of standing. Granted, I believe in the Lord whole-heartedly, and talk about Him to those that listen. If someone cusses, or is vulgar, I'll leave before asking them to tone it down, or cause a scene. It's their choice to cuss and speak how they want, just as it's my choice to stand up leave, and not hear it.

They have rights, just as I do, though theirs may differ from mine.

I am interested in your answer to Pharris as well. When I read what you typed, I had the same exact thought as he did.

As long as I Judge by The Bible, I will be Judged by The Bible. It is when I Judge out of my own sinfulness that I will be Judging wrongly.

I was under the impression any judgement by us was wrong.

According to your statement, you are free to judge as long as you judge from the Bible.

Who, besides yourself, can say whether you are right by that? Meaning, your beliefs and thoughts may differ from mine, but does that mean you have more merit that I do? And you have the right to judge, but I don't?

Double Barrel BB
09-13-2006, 10:30 PM
:offtopic:

Are you saying that you are somehow empowered to judge others using the Bible as a measuring stick? What if you are applying it to someone that does not share the same faith/religion as you...then how do you apply a judgement to someone else?

Just asking for a clarification because I have read many of your posts and they are grounded solidly in personal conviction and for the most part common sense and that is why this particular bit of content caught me sort of off guard to see you seeemingly state that you are free to judge anyone as long as you apply the Bible that you believe in....

There is no better measuring stick than The Bible. As long as you use The Bible to Judge a situation, you will never go wrong, but you have to be careful that you are not doing it from jealousy, un-holy anger, etc.

Matthew 7:1-2
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

If I Judge by the Standards of the Bible, than I will be Judged by the Standards of the Bible. How is that wrong?

Could you tell which measuring stick you would use?

Take the 10 Commandments. Authored by God. Our whole legal system has been based on the 10 Commandments. We have strayed along way away from the 10 Commandments since they were authored, that is from using our(mans) worldly wisdom.

As far as someone not being the same faith/religion as me. Well, I believe there is only one true religion. The one that is in The Holy Bible.

DB BB

Double Barrel BB
09-13-2006, 10:35 PM
DB BB,

I understand it's up to "us" to spread the word. But if you are talking about the Lord to your family at the same establishment, and the men were atheist and talk of the Lord offended them, would you appreciate them reporting you to the manager? And then asking you to tone it down because it offended them?

It's about freedom of speech and freewill I guess is where I'm sort of standing. Granted, I believe in the Lord whole-heartedly, and talk about Him to those that listen. If someone cusses, or is vulgar, I'll leave before asking them to tone it down, or cause a scene. It's their choice to cuss and speak how they want, just as it's my choice to stand up leave, and not hear it.

They have rights, just as I do, though theirs may differ from mine.

I am interested in your answer to Pharris as well. When I read what you typed, I had the same exact thought as he did.

I was under the impression any judgement by us was wrong.

According to your statement, you are free to judge as long as you judge from the Bible.

Who, besides yourself, can say whether you are right by that? Meaning, your beliefs and thoughts may differ from mine, but does that mean you have more merit that I do? And you have the right to judge, but I don't?


Yes it is free speech, but I am not going to stand by and let anyone get away with cussing in front of me or my family without voiceing my belief. Free Speech, gotta love it and hate it sometimes.

Like was sung in a country song, "If you don't stand up for something you will fall for anything."

Not Judge from The Bible, but Judge by the Standards of The Bible.

DB BB

Handgunner
09-13-2006, 10:39 PM
Not Judge from The Bible, but Judge by the Standards of The Bible.

DB BB
I guess we differ on this.

To me, judging is judging. No matter how you word it.

Double Barrel BB
09-13-2006, 10:43 PM
I guess we differ on this.

To me, judging is judging. No matter how you word it.


I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Getting 2 people to agree on here is very hard to do.:D

God Bless,
DB BB

Handgunner
09-13-2006, 11:06 PM
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Getting 2 people to agree on here is very hard to do.:D

God Bless,
DB BB

I agree with that... See, that wasn't hard at all. :)

God bless you too, as well.

rusty
09-13-2006, 11:11 PM
I find it amazing that 'conservative' christians are so liberal.

StriperAddict
09-14-2006, 03:25 PM
I guess we differ on this.

To me, judging is judging. No matter how you word it.

As christians, we're told to judge. The words come from Jesus Himself in John 7:24

Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.

But note the difference between "appearance" and righteous judgement.

In the context of this verse with the one before, Jesus is making the point not to call something evil that is actually good. Look at vs 23:

"If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses won't be broken, are you angry at Me because I made a man entirely well on the Sabbath?"

When it comes to foul words, there can be no mistake over the wrong done, especially when such language is "in your face" in public places like restaruants.

To rebuke someone of such goes along with the life of being a christian, something many of us (sadly) know little of....

In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. Heb 12:4 English Standard Version; and, BTW, this isn't about bombing abortion clinics, etc., like some may read into this verse in Hebrews, but about standing for righteousness in the name of Jesus Christ!

:smash:

GeauxLSU
09-14-2006, 03:58 PM
Sure is a whole lot of emotion which of course leads to illogical statements.

From someone who did NOT see it and has no dog in the fight....

Try for one minute to change the subject matter. Would it THEN be permissible for CBS to presumably violate FCC rules? If it was a documentary about Woodstock would it be Ok to broadcast profanity (either verbal or visual) as defined by the FCC in the interest of "keeping history real"? Why not? How about a documentary about hunting where the hunter gets so fired up after killing a booner he lets out a stream to make a porn star blush?

Why does the perceived "importance" of the documentary allow for rules violations? :huh: Who decides what's "important enough" to have the rules not apply to them?

If the editors did not think they had the ability to get their message across without including profanity then they should have been required to only air it where permissible, just like EVERY OTHER documentary maker is required to do. Or.... they could push to have the rules changed. Which if any of you think this is not the overall goal of CBS, for crying out loud, please wake up.
Nah, CBS is really interested in what's best for the citizens of the United States so THAT is why they felt 'compelled' to broadcast it unedited. Yeah, that it! :rolleyes:

It's not about the fireman, it's not about the religous right, it's about the existing law and why favortism should NOT be shown.

GeauxLSU
09-14-2006, 04:01 PM
ps - for those of you thinking about cancelling your AFA alerts, I've thought about it a 100 times due to some of their 'extreme' positions as well. They are about as unobtrusive a group as there is and clearly state in each alert, IF YOU WANT TO ACT, please email here HERE.....
If all groups were like that they'd all be more effective.
I simplty delete the ones I disagree with and act on the ones I do. In total, they are still a great source of information.

Handgunner
09-14-2006, 04:52 PM
As christians, we're told to judge. The words come from Jesus Himself in John 7:24

Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.

But note the difference between "appearance" and righteous judgement.

In the context of this verse with the one before, Jesus is making the point not to call something evil that is actually good. Look at vs 23:

"If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses won't be broken, are you angry at Me because I made a man entirely well on the Sabbath?"

When it comes to foul words, there can be no mistake over the wrong done, especially when such language is "in your face" in public places like restaruants.

To rebuke someone of such goes along with the life of being a christian, something many of us (sadly) know little of....

In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. Heb 12:4 English Standard Version; and, BTW, this isn't about bombing abortion clinics, etc., like some may read into this verse in Hebrews, but about standing for righteousness in the name of Jesus Christ!

:smash:
Some of that clears it up for me, StriperAddict. Thank you.

Handgunner
09-14-2006, 04:57 PM
Sure is a whole lot of emotion which of course leads to illogical statements.

From someone who did NOT see it and has no dog in the fight....

Try for one minute to change the subject matter. Would it THEN be permissible for CBS to presumably violate FCC rules? If it was a documentary about Woodstock would it be Ok to broadcast profanity (either verbal or visual) as defined by the FCC in the interest of "keeping history real"? Why not? How about a documentary about hunting where the hunter gets so fired up after killing a booner he lets out a stream to make a porn star blush?

Why does the perceived "importance" of the documentary allow for rules violations? :huh: Who decides what's "important enough" to have the rules not apply to them?

If the editors did not think they had the ability to get their message across without including profanity then they should have been required to only air it where permissible, just like EVERY OTHER documentary maker is required to do. Or.... they could push to have the rules changed. Which if any of you think this is not the overall goal of CBS, for crying out loud, please wake up.
Nah, CBS is really interested in what's best for the citizens of the United States so THAT is why they felt 'compelled' to broadcast it unedited. Yeah, that it! :rolleyes:

It's not about the fireman, it's not about the religous right, it's about the existing law and why favortism should NOT be shown.
Me and a buddy were talking about this the other night... and what he said made a lot of sense, at least to me it did... I could be wrong in that. I've been wrong before, I think... :D

"3000 people were killed in seconds, and people are more worried about a cuss word".

Take religion totally out of it, and let that sink in.

3000 people gone in seconds, kids became parentless, husbands and wives became spouseless, mothers and fathers lost their kids, and most of the world is worried about a cuss word being broadcast over national TV...

:huh: :crazy:

StriperAddict
09-14-2006, 06:25 PM
Me and a buddy were talking about this the other night... and what he said made a lot of sense, at least to me it did... I could be wrong in that. I've been wrong before, I think... :D

"3000 people were killed in seconds, and people are more worried about a cuss word".

Take religion totally out of it, and let that sink in.

3000 people gone in seconds, kids became parentless, husbands and wives became spouseless, mothers and fathers lost their kids, and most of the world is worried about a cuss word being broadcast over national TV...

:huh: :crazy:

Here's another case, like you mentioned, where it's necessary to 'judge' about the heart of the matter, and not appearance alone:

At a big christian missions event the speaker said something like "People are dying w/o Christ everyday, and most of us don't give a (beep)" ! After the reaction to his cus word, he then said, "see, you're more upset I said a 4 letter word than about those who die w/o Christ!!"

Apprioprate for the moment? :huh: I'll let ya'll be the 'judge'.

Check this, to understand the parallel:

Hebrews 11:31
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

:type:

Handgunner
09-14-2006, 06:30 PM
Here's another case, like you mentioned, where it's necessary to 'judge' about the heart of the matter, and not appearance alone:

At a big christian missions event the speaker said something like "People are dying w/o Christ everyday, and most of us don't give a (beep)" ! After the reaction to his cus word, he then said, "see, you're more upset I said a 4 letter word than about those who die w/o Christ!!"

Apprioprate for the moment? :huh: I'll let ya'll be the 'judge'.

Check this, to understand the parallel:

Hebrews 11:31
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

:type:
Interesting!