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Banjo Picker 03-11-2017 04:17 PM

Truth about Heaven
 
HEAVEN IS A CREATED PLACE (Gen. 1:1; Isa. 42:5; 45:18; Col. 1:16-18; Neh. 9:6; Ps. 102:25; Prov. 8:27).

IT IS A REAL PLANET LIKE THE EARTH (Gen. 1:1; 11:8-16). In this last passage it is called a "better country" than the Earth, Heaven, therefore, is not an invisible nothing or a cloud floating around in space where saints sit and play a Jew's harp forever.

THERE ARE THREE HEAVENS Besides the planet Earth called Heaven where God dwells (Gen. 21:17; 22:11, 15; 2 Cor. 12:1-3; Deut. 26:15; 1 Kings 8:30, 38, 43, 49) there are two other spheres called Heaven, Paul speaks of three Heavens (2 Cor. 12:1-3). The third Heaven is here called the paradise where God lives. The other two heavens are : the clouds (Gen. 1:8; 7:23; 8:2; Job 38:9, 34; Isa. 14:14; Jer. 51:16) and the starry space between the Earth and the planet Heaven (Gen. 1:15-20; 22:17; Isa. 14:12-14; Ps. 8:3).

HEAVEN IS THE CAPITAL OF THE UNIVERSE, For God has His capital city, the New Jerusalem, His capital building, the Heavenly Temple or Tabernacle, and His throne in the Temple in Heaven. This city is described by John in Rev. 21-22. This capital city will continue to be in Heaven until the end of the Millennium and then it will be moved from the planet Heaven to the planet Earth(Rev. 21:2, 9-21). Many Scriptures speak of God's throne being in Heaven (Ps. 103:19; Rev. 4:1-2). That God has a real temple in Heaven is clear from Rev. 4-5; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17.

GOD OWNS AND RULES IN THE HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (Gen. 14:19, 22; Ps. 11:4; 89:11; Luke 10:21; 11:2). He also owns the Earth and all things in the universe, but at present this planet is in rebellion against Him. This is why Jesus will be sent from Heaven with the armies of Heaven to seize this rebellious part of the universe and restore God's absolute rule on Earth as before the rebellion started (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:11-21; 20:1-10; Zech. 14; Jude 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Joel 3; Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46).

hobbs27 03-11-2017 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo Picker (Post 10644380)
This is why Jesus will be sent from Heaven with the armies of Heaven to seize this rebellious part of the universe and restore God's absolute rule on Earth as before the rebellion started (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:11-21; 20:1-10; Zech. 14; Jude 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Joel 3; Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46).

It seems odd that Christ would be at war with His own kingdom, and more likely to those that killed the prophets, and Him.

Ephesians 3:20-21 20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Artfuldodger 03-11-2017 07:54 PM

I've often wondered why God would let Satan rule the earth to one day battle with him to end it all.
There is the war in Heaven in Revelations. There was a war in Heaven when Satan rebelled.
Maybe all of this is apocalyptic language.

Artfuldodger 03-11-2017 07:59 PM

Heaven could be another planet. I attended a gem and mineral show today and saw some meteorites. They were made out of the same metals and elements we have here on the earth. No Kryptonite.
Some of them could have been from planet Heaven. This to show us that Heaven is a real physical place and that we'll need our bodies to walk down the streets of gold.

Unless all of that beautiful description of Heaven is apocalyptic language.

That still doesn't explain God being a spirit and living there. Unless Jesus is God and we'll see God as Jesus. Jesus being the physical part of the spiritual God. Oneness.

Banjo Picker 01-12-2018 09:08 PM

The Truth About Heaven
 
The location of the planet Heaven is in the northern part of the universe (Isa. 14:12-14). In this Scripture we are told that Lucifer led a rebellion into Heaven into the sides of the north. In Ps. 75:6-7 we are told that promotion comes not from the south, east, or west, but from the Lord and therefore from the north.

Banjo Picker 01-12-2018 09:23 PM

Heaven Is Inhabited
 
Heaven is inhabited (1 King 22:19; 2 Chron. 18:18; Matt. 18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Rev. 12:12; 13:6). Armies and hosts of Heaven are mentioned a number of times as seen in these passages and in Dan. 4:35; Luke 2:13; Rev. 19:14. These inhabitants are listed in part as common angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim, and other spirit beings. Heavenly bodies are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:48, 49. Rejoicing in Heaven is referred to by the inhabitants in Heaven (Ps. 96:11; 148:1, 4; Isa. 44:23; Rev. 12:12).

Artfuldodger 01-12-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo Picker (Post 11058044)
The location of the planet Heaven is in the northern part of the universe (Isa. 14:12-14). In this Scripture we are told that Lucifer led a rebellion into Heaven into the sides of the north. In Ps. 75:6-7 we are told that promotion comes not from the south, east, or west, but from the Lord and therefore from the north.

Wait, how can the universe have a northern part? When you lay outside at night and look into the universe, you do know that you aren't looking "up," right?

Think of it as if you are looking down. It feels creepy like you may fall off.
The reality is there is no up or down in the universe. No north, south, east, or west.

"I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon." (tsaphonah should be translated "to Zaphon," not "northward")

marketgunner 01-14-2018 08:06 AM

Heaven (where the Throne of God is) is spiritual.

Creation of the physical was to imprison sinful spiritual beings.

Mankind is the method spiritual sinners can be pardoned.

Phyiscal creation will have served its purpose and be destroyed.

Redeemed spiritual beings (souls ) can be restored as "sons of God" and Spiritual Heaven reconciled.

Jhn 1:12

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Col 1:20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

GeorgiaBob 01-14-2018 08:13 AM

And what if Heaven, as repeatedly explained by Jesus, is NOT something "there" and "then" but - instead - a description of the world we can celebrate HERE and NOW by living the whole truth of God's plan for us?

marketgunner 01-14-2018 08:28 AM

Heaven is a "there" .

The repentant can rejoice here and now because we are going there. We now served in obedience here

Banjo Picker 01-14-2018 01:25 PM

The Truth About Heaven
 
Paul speaks of "the invisible things" in Heaven as being like the visible things on Earth; that is, the things in Heaven are just like things on Earth (Rom. 1:20). The word "things" is used in many passages in referring to realities in Heaven (Phil. 2:10; Col. 1:16-20; Heb. 8:12; 9:23). We know from Scriptures that in Heaven there are cities (Rev. 21), mansions (John 14:1-3), trees (Rev. 22:1-3) rivers (Rev. 22:1-3), fountains of water (Rev. 7:17), food (Ex. 16:4; Ps. 78:25; 105:40; John 6:31-51; Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17; 19:1-10; 22:1-3) animals (2 Kings 2:11, 12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11; 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21; Rom. 1:20), furniture (Isa. 6:1; Dan. 7:9; Heb. 8:5; 9:23; Rev. 4:2, 4; 6:17), altars (Isa. 6:6; 6:9-11; 8:5), tongs (Isa. 6:6), fire and coals (Isa. 6:6; Rev. 8:5), censer and incense (Rev. 8:4-6), smoke (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), musical instruments (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), clothes (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), stones (Rev. 2:17), books (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:111; 20:11-15), vials or bowls (Rev. 5:8; 8:3; 15:7; 16:1) crowns (Rev. 4:4; 14:14; 19:12). stones (Josh. 10:11), Treasures (Matt. 6:20; 19:21), rainbows, thunderings, lightings, clouds (Rev. 3-8; 10:1-7), lamps (Rev. 4:5), a sea of glass (Rev. 7:9-17; 15:2-4), singing (Rev. 5:9; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), worship (Rev. 4:9-11; 5:8-14; 7:9-17; 15:2:4-4; 19:1-10), palm leaves, so there must be palm trees (Rev. 7:9), a temple (Rev. 7:15; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17), silence, so there must be noise at other times (Rev. 8:1), trumpets (Rev. 8:2-6); Matt. 24:29-31; 1 Thess. 4:16), hail (Rev. 8:7; 16:17-21; Ezek. 38:17-21), mountains (Zech. 6:1; 8:8; 14:1; Heb. 12:23), keys and chains (Rev. 9:1; 20:3; Jude 6-7), measuring sticks (Rev. 11:1; 21:15), olive trees and candlesticks (Rev. 11:4; Zech. 4), the ark of the testament (Rev. 11:19), doors and posts (Rev. 4:1; 11:19; Isa. 6:4), girdles (Rev. 1:13; 15:6), banquets (Rev. 19:7-10; Luke 22:30), walls, gates, pearls, diamonds, and other precious stones as well as gold in abundance (Rev. 4:3,4; 8:3; 15:7; 21:12-21), streets (Rev. 21:21; 22:1-3), fruits (Rev. 22:1-3), an innumerable things (Rom. 1:20; 1 Cor. 2:9; 2 Cor. 12:4). If the invisible things in the heavenlies are clearly seen by things on Earth, as Paul taught in Rom. 1:20, then we have a right to believe that there are in Heaven the same kind of things that we have on Earth. We have no right to make an exception of any good thing that God created and intended for man to have before the fall.

Several natural men have gone to Heaven and have come back or will come back . They are Enoch (Gen. 5:22; Heb. 11:5), Elijah (2 Kings 2), Paul (2 Cor. 12:1-4), and John (Rev. 4:1). The first two of these men are still in Heaven living a natural life and will come back as the two witnesses of Zech. 4:11-14; Rev. 11:3-13). Enoch has been in Heaven over 5,142 years and Elijah has been there over 3,500 years and they are still eating, drinking, and enjoying life on the planet Heaven. If we will understand such statements made above as literal, then the doctrine of the heavenly world will no longer be a mystery.

marketgunner 01-14-2018 03:18 PM

1Co 15:50

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Eph 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

It is folly to create doctrine from English or any translation

Do not consider all references to Heaven as the throne of God Heaven.


What things in Heaven are reconciled to God ny the deayth on thr Cross?

Banjo Picker 01-26-2018 09:03 PM

1 Cor. 15:50
 
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Originally Posted by marketgunner (Post 11059529)
1Co 15:50

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Eph 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

It is folly to create doctrine from English or any translation

Do not consider all references to Heaven as the throne of God Heaven.


What things in Heaven are reconciled to God ny the deayth on thr Cross?

1 Cor. 15:50 ) Now this I say, brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,

meaning natural men cannot inherit the kingdom of God but they can and will enter it. They will inherit the earthly sphere of the universal kingdom of God (Matt. 5:5; 25:34; Ps. 37:11); but they will never inherit the whole realm of God over all the universe, as glorified saints will (Rom. 8:17.

neither doth corruption inherit incorruption,

meaning corruption must be laid aside and incorruption take its place in the bodies of the resurrected (v 51-54). Flesh and blood cannot inherit glory or spiritual body (v 42-49), but flesh and bones can (Luke 24:39; Phil. 3:21).

Eph. 6:12 ) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

For we wrestle not, meaning Gr. pale. wrestle. only here . It refers to warfare in general between saints and spirit rebels who are against God.

against flesh and blood, Gal. 1:16; 1 Cor. 15:50.

against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness,

meaning Gr. archas, principalities, chief rulers or beings of the highest ranks and order in Satan's kingdom (v 12; 1:21; Col. 2:10).
Gr. exousias, authorities, those who derive their power from and execute the will of the chief rulers (v 12; 1:21; Col. 2:10).
Gr. kosmokratopas, world rulers of the darkness of this age, the spirit world-rulers (Da. 10:13-21; Eph. 1:12; Col. 1:16-18).
Gr. pneumatika, ponerias, spiritual wickedness, that of the wicked spirits of Satan in the heavenlies (v 12; 1:21; Col. 1:16-18).

Heb. 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood , he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had power of death, that is, the devil.

Meaning seeing that those whom He represents are flesh and blood, it was necessary for Him also to become flesh and blood that He might be capable of dying in their place, by this act destroying Satan and annulling his power of death over mankind (v 14 ).

Artfuldodger 01-26-2018 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo Picker (Post 11075906)

meaning natural men cannot inherit the kingdom of God but they can and will enter it. They will inherit the earthly sphere of the universal kingdom of God (Matt. 5:5; 25:34; Ps. 37:11); but they will never inherit the whole realm of God over all the universe, as glorified saints will (Rom. 8:17.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit glory or spiritual body (v 42-49), but flesh and bones can (Luke 24:39; Phil. 3:21).

That's the way I see it concerning flesh and bones but not flesh and blood.

This kingdom that most will inherit will only see Jesus, correct?
The glorified saints will get to see God and Jesus.
What makes one a glorified saint that gets to go where God is compared to a regular saint that only gets to see Jesus?

Banjo Picker 04-12-2018 07:25 PM

Are Inhabited
 
That Heaven and the planets are inhabited, This is clear from many Scriptures: "Rejoice, ye heavens and ye that dwell in them . . . he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme . . . them that dwell in heaven" (Rev. 12:12; 13:6). also Col. 1:16-18; Rom. 1:20; 1 Cor. 15:35-50.

Banjo Picker 04-12-2018 07:42 PM

Natural Men In
 
That men with natural bodies have gone to Heaven and have been living there for thousands of years, Enoch has been in Heaven over 5,185 years and Elijah has been there over 2,600 years and yet neither of them have died (Gen. 5:24; Heb. 11:5; 2 Kings 2; Mal. 4:4, 5; Zech. 4:11-14; Rev. 11:3-7). The old theory that flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven is not biblical, for while it says "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God," it does not say man cannot inter it. We enter the kingdom of God at the new birth (John 3:3-5; Rom. 14:17). Paul said he went to Heaven (2 Cor. 12:1-3). Paul came back and told us about Heaven (Rom. 1:19; Heb. 11:8-16; 13:14). John also was taken to Heaven, and he came back and told us about it (Rev. 4:1-5:7; 7:9-17; ; 21:9-27; 22:1-5).

1gr8bldr 04-12-2018 08:27 PM

Heaven, is what Adam lost.

welderguy 04-12-2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 1gr8bldr (Post 11168848)
Heaven, is what Adam lost.

I disagree. Adam could not see God, even before he fell.

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


but we will see Him in heaven.


Revelation 22:4-5
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

NE GA Pappy 04-12-2018 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by welderguy (Post 11168870)
I disagree. Adam could not see God, even before he fell.

then please explain to me how he could walk with God in the garden in the cool of the evening?

How could God make clothes and cloth him, without him at some point seeing God?

1gr8bldr 04-12-2018 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by welderguy (Post 11168870)
I disagree. Adam could not see God, even before he fell.

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


but we will see Him in heaven.


Revelation 22:4-5
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Either we can't take everything as literal, or you have a bible contradiction.....

1gr8bldr 04-12-2018 09:45 PM

Jesus as the second Adam has regained everything that was lost. Jesus as the second Adam, agent of the new creation, as did Adam, gets to name them, Saul to Paul, Peter

Artfuldodger 04-12-2018 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welderguy (Post 11168870)
I disagree. Adam could not see God, even before he fell.

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.


but we will see Him in heaven.


Revelation 22:4-5
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 22:3
No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him.
or
God's curse will no longer be on the people of that city. He and the Lamb will be seated there on their thrones, and its people will worship God.

Many see it as one throne. We will see God through the Lamb or as the Lamb.

His servants will serve him or Him. It doesn't say "them."
I wondering how one can see the face of a Spirit unless it's not to be taken literal as in God's hands, etc.
Maybe Adam walked with God spiritually unless God appeared physically as Jesus perhaps.

1gr8bldr 04-12-2018 09:50 PM

I don't envision heaven as streets of gold, etc. That comes from a mindset of man and money. Gold will be of no value in heaven. I don't believe anything will have a monetary value in heaven. Although I expect it to be beautiful. Hard to imagine because the earth has amazingly beautiful places

Artfuldodger 04-12-2018 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 1gr8bldr (Post 11168953)
I don't envision heaven as streets of gold, etc. That comes from a mindset of man and money. Gold will be of no value in heaven. I don't believe anything will have a monetary value in heaven. Although I expect it to be beautiful. Hard to imagine because the earth has amazingly beautiful places

Will there be streets?

Artfuldodger 04-12-2018 10:12 PM

“The wall of the city had twelve foundations … decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst” (Revelation 21:14, 19, 20 NIV).

“The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits thick. The wall was made of jasper” (Revelation 21:17, 18 NIV).


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