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Old 12-06-2017, 09:40 AM
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Kind of like arguing if Miller Lite is better because it is less filling or because it tastes great...
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Please don't make the mistake of thinking that because military and Law Enforcement snipers use the 7.62/.308, that it is better, superior...etc in any way. 99% of military and law enforcement shooters don't have a choice. They shoot what they are issued. The military doesn't always choose the best weapon and cartridge for the job. They had a history of rating performance lower on their criteria list than things like costs, looks, name, kick backs... And law enforcement follows military trends. I'd bet most soldiers and officers would choose something other than 9mm, 5.56/.223, 7.62/.308 if they had the choice.

Choose the rifle/cartridge platform base on the intended use, not because of a popularity contest.

And if any history buffs can chime in, wasn't the M1 Garand called "the weapon that won the war"? It was chambered in .30-06. It's battlefield performance was devastating.

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Old 12-06-2017, 01:24 PM
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The M1 was and still is outstanding. The m14 was and is better. Now that argument could take up another 4 pages!!!!!!!!!
My opinion is the M14 is the better rifle. Faster and less clumsy to load, easier to load while keeping eyes down the field, the Japanese QUICKLY learned the tell tale sign that the M1 was out of ammo.
The 30-06 was devastating in battle, just as was the 308!

I have many military and law enforcement family and friends. This conversation comes up often as we are all hunters and common knowledge gun nuts. They all want to go back to 308!
They are split however on 9mm vs 45. Some like more rounds per mag...some like the flying ashtray of 45.
But rifles they all agree go back and make 308 standard issue! The US Navy and Marines still use the m14 some
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:06 PM
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I bet the OP had no idea all of this would happen.

I bet he doesn't care how many more rounds he can carry to the deer stand.

7.62X51 FGMM runs about 25?? fps from my .308
.308 Winchester FGMM runs 26?? fps in my .308

wonder what is different? Does it have to do with the M14/M1A?
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I shoot in NRA sanctioned long range competition, 600 and 1,000 yds. I shoot a 308 in FTR class. There are other classes or shooters there that shoot 308 or smaller fast loads. I have not seen a 06 and neither have my friends. I don't know why, maybe because of the kick ( you shoot 20 rounds 3 times in competition)

I have a 30-06 that I have used for deer hunting. Its a great round, has a lot of bullet configurations more than any other
But I'm not shooting it in completion because of the kick and accuracy at 1,000
Our guns have to shoot bullet inside of bullet hole at 100 yds. Before we use them at 1,000
I don't understand the hate when both calibers are great
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:37 PM
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that is another thing that I don't understand and that is how one is more accurate than the other. if the 06 isn't as accurate, couldn't it be the setup or load being used. Aren't the .30-06 generally 1:10 and don't that like the heavier bullet...175gr+
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The 06 cartridge holds a lot of powder plus the heavy bullet make it a shoulder thumper
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:31 PM
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that is another thing that I don't understand and that is how one is more accurate than the other. if the 06 isn't as accurate, couldn't it be the setup or load being used. Aren't the .30-06 generally 1:10 and don't that like the heavier bullet...175gr+
I've found 180 grain performs better at ranges to 200
on paper. The 165's seem to fly but haven't shot them long range but still in the ballpark. With 165's in 308 you can drill it to 200. With less kick. No way I could shoot my 06 sixty times in competition and be accurate.
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I don't compete...but I can't shoot 60 rounds of .308 in a day...fouling has decreased the accuracy by then in my rifle
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