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Maybe when we die our spirit/soul goes to Heaven because it has already been renewed. Flesh and Blood can't enter the Kingdom of God but renewed spirits can.
Then when Christ returns to set up a Kingdom on the earth as it is in Heaven, our soul/spirits reunite with our new bodies of flesh and bones to experience this Heaven on Earth in a more physical sense.
Jesus has to return to restore the earth. To renew and redeem. He has already renewed our spirits but must now renew our bodies to undo what Adam did.
Maybe it's just part of the restoration. I mean if Jesus is coming back to set up a kingdom then he's going to need subjects. He has to destroy death. Therefore the graves must give up their dead.

Still though I would only think we would need bodies if we were going to stay on the earth forever. If there is a new heaven and a new earth that comes down. A new Jerusalem. Then we would need a new redeemed body to participate.

But in a spiritual heaven? If we have already been born from above or born again. Born of water and spirit. Shed our earthly clothes. Got rid of our flesh and blood. Become 100% spiritual.
Had a spiritual resurrection and are now in Heaven. If that's what Heaven is then we won't need a body.

Here is something from Randy Alcorn who sees it as being physical and future;

Adapted from Heaven by Randy Alcorn

"Our unbiblical assumption that Heaven
won’t be a real, earthly place blinds us to
what Scripture actually says. Rarely do we
hear descriptions that capture what the
Bible portrays as a New Earth with a great
capital city made with precious stones; a
New Earth that contains trees and rivers,
and where resurrected people come in and
out of the gates, engaged in meaningful
relationships and productive activity."

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The old covenant dead had a charge of sin that was not settled until Christ made atonement.

Christ's atonement was not complete until he came out of the holiest place to announce to those eagerly awaiting first generation Christians that the sacrifice had been accepted and salvation has come.

at that time the old covenant dead were resurrected to judgment. The righteous were joined with the dead in Christ and those that remained and we're living combined in the Spirit as the body of Christ.

since that time we have a Savior, and when we hear and act on the Gospel as in Revelation 22:17, we become Sons of God with eternal life.... Since we were never in the body of death... Old covenant body of Moses, we aren't resurrected from death to life.... We go from physical life to spiritual life.


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The old covenant dead had a charge of sin that was not settled until Christ made atonement.

Christ's atonement was not complete until he came out of the holiest place to announce to those eagerly awaiting first generation Christians that the sacrifice had been accepted and salvation has come.

at that time the old covenant dead were resurrected to judgment. The righteous were joined with the dead in Christ and those that remained and we're living combined in the Spirit as the body of Christ.

since that time we have a Savior, and when we hear and act on the Gospel as in Revelation 22:17, we become Sons of God with eternal life.... Since we were never in the body of death... Old covenant body of Moses, we aren't resurrected from death to life.... We go from physical life to spiritual life.

OK.. I'm done, y'all enjoy the discussion.
Wait one more view please. Corinthians 15? Even if the coming of the Lord has already happened, there was a resurrection at this coming?
This is the resurrection you speak of? This was the the turn Paul was speaking of? First Christ and then the Old Covenant dead? The order of the resurrection complete? Was this resurrection from physical to spiritual as well? I mean in Corinthians 15 it appears to be kinda physical and kinda spiritual all at the same time. In a way that they didn't fully understand until they saw Jesus as he was. Until they had his light. They were face to face with Jesus. They became like him.
They acquired some type of body that they didn't have. Perhaps just spiritual. They had a resurrection.
If in the past then so be it but they did have a resurrection. It had to be like that of Jesus as he was the firstborn of the dead. First Christ and then these dead Old Covenant Saints when Christ returned. Still though it was a resurrection.

I do feel a little bit cheated that I don't get to have a resurrection. I've been looking forward to it yet I don't really know why.
I was looking forward to being clothed, unclothed, and clothed again like they were.

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In a way a past resurrection explains so much. We go from physical life to spiritual life. We stay in Heaven forever.

Yet I think we were made as spiritual and physical beings or at least our spirits were placed in physical vessels. We have both, we are both. Mind, body, and spirit. Soul, body, and spirit.

I like to compare what I am as a man to what Jesus experienced as a man regardless of his divinity. He had a body and spirit/soul of a man. He died as a man. He lay dead in a tomb until God resurrected him.
I've always pictured me as having this same type of resurrection. It hasn't been revealed to me as to why I will experience this or need this resurrection. Just that I do. I feel that I need it desperately to become like Jesus. To see him as he is when he returns.

In a way a past resurrection for just the Old Testament saints makes the line straighter. No need to die, go to Heaven, return from Heaven only to eventually go back. It does make that line straighter. You just die and go to Heaven. Can't get any simpler than that.
I wouldn't even be pondering all these possibilities. Just a straight line from physical to spiritual.

I just can't read Corinthians 15 and see it as Paul explaining it as happening in 70AD. I see Christ returning and restoring order on the earth. I see a perfect earth restored. I see God's kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven. I see God's authority given to Christ to reign over this Kingdom and to judge. I see Christ handing this kingdom over to his Father.

In this process I see the order of the resurrection, first Christ as the firstborn to resurrect, followed by us in our turn. I see this turn as happening when Christ returns in the future. I see it as a time where the old heaven and earth shall pass. A new heaven and earth will replace it.

What happens between now and then hasn't been revealed. We know of the order just not exactly of the in-between. We still see through a glass darkly. What we will be has not yet been made known.
Still though we can't ignore the order of the resurrection. The dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

That part of the order has been revealed.
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Was looking at clothed, unclothed, and clothed again. Paul didn't want to be unclothed. Some believe the unclothed is an intermediate state between physical death and resurrection.

One member on here shared this belief;
Immediate or Intermediate? The State of the Believer upon Death

"that the moment of death for the believer is the last day for him
or her because in death the Christian moves out of time, so that death is experienced as the moment when Christ returns."
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Art, Here is so more to go with what your saying, I want to add some to it hoping it might shed some more light on it for you, so you can do some research on the order.
(1 Cor. 15:20-34). Christ "the firstfruits" was the guarantee of the resurrection of all men (1 Cor. 15;20-23). The "many" Old Testament Saints arose immediately after Christ did (Matt. 27:53). The next in order will be those who are "in Christ" and "are Christ's" at the rapture (1 Cor. 15:23, 51-58; 1 Thess. 4:14-17)
Next will be the 144,000 Jews as the manchild of Rev. 12:5. Then next will be "the great multitude" of tribulation saints and the two witnesses at the end of the tribulation who will be in time to be at the marriage supper and come back with Christ to establish His kingdom (Rev. 6:9-11; 7:9-17; 11:2-13; 15:2-4; 20:4-6).
All these companies because they are "holy," "blessed" and "just" will be in the first resurrection and will help complete it (Rev. 20:4-6). The wicked dead will not be raised until 1,000 years later (Rev. 20:4-15).
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Art, Here is so more to go with what your saying, I want to add some to it hoping it might shed some more light on it for you, so you can do some research on the order.
(1 Cor. 15:20-34). Christ "the firstfruits" was the guarantee of the resurrection of all men (1 Cor. 15;20-23). The "many" Old Testament Saints arose immediately after Christ did (Matt. 27:53). The next in order will be those who are "in Christ" and "are Christ's" at the rapture (1 Cor. 15:23, 51-58; 1 Thess. 4:14-17)
Next will be the 144,000 Jews as the manchild of Rev. 12:5. Then next will be "the great multitude" of tribulation saints and the two witnesses at the end of the tribulation who will be in time to be at the marriage supper and come back with Christ to establish His kingdom (Rev. 6:9-11; 7:9-17; 11:2-13; 15:2-4; 20:4-6).
All these companies because they are "holy," "blessed" and "just" will be in the first resurrection and will help complete it (Rev. 20:4-6). The wicked dead will not be raised until 1,000 years later (Rev. 20:4-15).
When Christ comes back to establish his kingdom, how long will it be on the earth? When he hands over his kingdom to God, does it end or does God come to the earth/new Heaven to receive Christ's kingdom?
Christ will defeat all of the evil enemies you mentioned, the last enemy to be destroyed is death.
What happens to Christ's kingdom?
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Art, Here is so more to go with what your saying, I want to add some to it hoping it might shed some more light on it for you, so you can do some research on the order.
(1 Cor. 15:20-34). Christ "the firstfruits" was the guarantee of the resurrection of all men (1 Cor. 15;20-23). The "many" Old Testament Saints arose immediately after Christ did (Matt. 27:53). The next in order will be those who are "in Christ" and "are Christ's" at the rapture (1 Cor. 15:23, 51-58; 1 Thess. 4:14-17)
Next will be the 144,000 Jews as the manchild of Rev. 12:5. Then next will be "the great multitude" of tribulation saints and the two witnesses at the end of the tribulation who will be in time to be at the marriage supper and come back with Christ to establish His kingdom (Rev. 6:9-11; 7:9-17; 11:2-13; 15:2-4; 20:4-6).
All these companies because they are "holy," "blessed" and "just" will be in the first resurrection and will help complete it (Rev. 20:4-6). The wicked dead will not be raised until 1,000 years later (Rev. 20:4-15).
We still see through a glass darkly. What we will be has not yet been made known.
Can we expect future revelations? Eventually when we see Christ as he is, when he appears, we'll find out. What about between now and then? Will there be any more revelations?
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1 John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Another example of not seeing Christ until he returns.
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Was looking at clothed, unclothed, and clothed again. Paul didn't want to be unclothed. Some believe the unclothed is an intermediate state between physical death and resurrection.

One member on here shared this belief;
Immediate or Intermediate? The State of the Believer upon Death

"that the moment of death for the believer is the last day for him
or her because in death the Christian moves out of time, so that death is experienced as the moment when Christ returns."

The clothing was the wedding garment.


5 For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, 3 if indeed by putting it on[a] we may not be found naked. 4 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.


There's no physical biological body here vs a saved spiritual body.

There's an earthly body. Tent... Or household verses a spiritual household.

Paul being baptized into the body of Moses ( earthly old covenant household) died to that daily while eagerly awaiting it to be destroyed, that the New heavenly household (kingdom.) would come down..

One body of believers trapped in the already but not yet period.. Having the Holy Spirit and gifts as a guarantee, yet dying daily to the body of Moses, looking forward to being clothed in the wedding garments and entering the New household, the Kingdom.

That's resurrection of many from one body...to another body.... Body is always singular, while the people is always plural
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1 John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Another example of not seeing Christ until he returns.
Art, this verse is not speaking of a physical 'seeing' but the complete knowledge of Christ and his nature. Like the first of that verse says, we don't know yet exactly what we will know, but we will be like Him.

Also, 1Cor 13:12 Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

Paul tells us that we can't see or know everything there is to know about God in this life, but when we meet Christ, we will know everything that Christ knows, just as He knows everything about what we know,do,think and experience.

I have often said 'when I get to heaven, I am gonna ask.....' but in my studies I have come to the conclusion that I will not have to ask. I will already possess that knowledge, just as Christ possesses that knowledge.
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Art, this verse is not speaking of a physical 'seeing' but the complete knowledge of Christ and his nature. Like the first of that verse says, we don't know yet exactly what we will know, but we will be like Him.

Also, 1Cor 13:12 Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

Paul tells us that we can't see or know everything there is to know about God in this life, but when we meet Christ, we will know everything that Christ knows, just as He knows everything about what we know,do,think and experience.

I have often said 'when I get to heaven, I am gonna ask.....' but in my studies I have come to the conclusion that I will not have to ask. I will already possess that knowledge, just as Christ possesses that knowledge.
I would agree that it may be spiritual but why does 1 John 3:2 say "when Christ appears?" He didn't say when we spiritually see Christ in Heaven.

Job 19:26
And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;

Psalm 17:15
As for me, I will be vindicated and will see your face; when I awake, I will be satisfied with seeing your likeness.

It's like the Bible says we have two of everything. Two births, two deaths, two awakenings, two appearances for us to see Jesus face to face(intermediate event & the final return of Christ)etc.

We are born of water and spirit, we live clothed, unclothed, and clothed again. We die of flesh, go see Jesus face to face, then resurrect later and see Jesus face to face again.

I still believe in the order of the resurrection and that we will gain something at this final resurrection that we will need to see Jesus as he is and become like him. We may see Jesus in the unclothed intermediate state and see him as he is, but we won't fully know until our resurrection. We need this resurrection to be clothed again.

1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,

We can't fully experience "all in all" until the Bible says "all in all" will happen.
This is all that I am saying. Something will be different even if one has already died and gone to Heaven.
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I see us having another awakening from death through Christ's resurrection. A spiritual awakening. Many verses about this that doesn't have anything to do with our resurrection at the last trump when Christ appears.
So we do have to use context to figure out a lot about dying and awakening in Christ when studying scripture.

Ephesians 5:14
This is why it is said: "Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."

One could be dead in sin but live through Christ. In a way we are already seated with Christ in Heaven. Even though we are still physically in our flesh on the earth.

Luke 15:24
For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.

Ephesians 2:1
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

Many verses about dying, awakening, and living are strictly about our spirits. I get that. Still though scripture tells us that when Christ appears, we will have another type of awakening. Many scripture tells us that we must wait for this awakening. Scripture even uses the term "sleeping." We are all sleeping and waiting on this final awakening from the grave. It's even called a "resurrection."
Paul uses the resurrection of Christ to prove that we will also have one. If Christ didn't have one then we won't. If Christ did have one then we will.

We can read all about dying, re-birth, awakening, etc. in the spirit, but we will still have a future resurrection that will be completely different from any previous birth, death, awakening, etc.
It's in the order of the resurrection as explained by Paul.

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John 3:13
No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23
But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:51-55
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

John 6:39
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day.

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Psalm 17:15
Because I am righteous, I will see you. When I awake, I will see you face to face and be satisfied.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-14
And now, dear brothers and sisters, we want you to know what will happen to the believers who have died so you will not grieve like people who have no hope.
14For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him the believers who have died.

"then at his coming"
"on the last day" "but we have to wait our turn" "all in all"

We may achieve a lot but it still appears we must wait to receive everything.

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[quote=Artfuldodger;11091765]When Christ comes back to establish his kingdom, how long will it be on the earth? When he hands over his kingdom to God, does it end or does God come to the earth/new Heaven to receive Christ's kingdom?
Christ will defeat all of the evil enemies you mentioned, the last enemy to be destroyed is death.
What happens to Christ's kingdom?[/QUOT

There's going to be a Renovation of the Earth by fire, Lucifer was the original ruler of the planet Earth, he started sin when he though he could dethrone God, and then God made man Adam to rule the Earth, which he fail to by sinning, and now we have Christ which defeated Satan, and Christ will be the ruler of the new Renovated Earth, The Earth will be eternal, can you not see that all things are going to be made back to just like it was in the Garden of Eden, prefect once again.
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Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which they themselves also await, that there is about to be a resurrection, both of the just and of the unjust.

About to be... Thousands and thousands of years from now? Oh well.
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Romans 13:11
And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.

1 Corinthians 7:29
What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none;

James 5:8
You too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord's coming is near.

1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and sober, so you can pray.

Philippians 4:5
Let your gentleness be obvious to everyone. The Lord is near.

Hebrews 10:37
For, "In just a very while little, He who is coming will come and will not delay.

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

I can see some relation to the destruction of Israel in 70AD and a future end as well. I can't deny that. There was some type of salvation that came in 70AD. There was some type of end.
I have as many questions about this as the next fellow. I just don't feel the answer is that everything happened then. That view leaves as many unanswered question as it answers. It makes one look for weird ways to answer other verses.

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Philippians 3:21-22
But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.

Luke 20:34-35
Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage.

Did I get married after the age to come? Did I get married after the resurrection from the dead?

Hebrews 9:28
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

1 John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

I must say it again, when Christ "appears" we will physically be able to see him on or near the earth. Within the earths atmosphere.

Acts 1:9
After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

They lost his appearance.

Acts 1:11
"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

We will regain his appearance.
All will see him, even those that pierced him, even those who are in the grave. Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess. No more death, sorrow, or crying.

Jesus said "and if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, that where I am, you may be also."
"I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you."

I'm pretty sure he will "appear" to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead.

Colossians 3:4
When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
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When Christ comes back to establish his kingdom, how long will it be on the earth? When he hands over his kingdom to God, does it end or does God come to the earth/new Heaven to receive Christ's kingdom?
Christ will defeat all of the evil enemies you mentioned, the last enemy to be destroyed is death.
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There's going to be a Renovation of the Earth by fire, Lucifer was the original ruler of the planet Earth, he started sin when he though he could dethrone God, and then God made man Adam to rule the Earth, which he fail to by sinning, and now we have Christ which defeated Satan, and Christ will be the ruler of the new Renovated Earth, The Earth will be eternal, can you not see that all things are going to be made back to just like it was in the Garden of Eden, prefect once again.
Will Christ return physically to the earth to rule his Kingdom or will he rule it spiritually from Heaven?
If Christ will be the ruler of the renovated earth for all eternity, why does he hand over his Kingdom to his Father and sit at his right hand?

I'm thinking that if some Christians have a physical resurrection and stay on the earth for a million years or an eternity that their King would be here physically as well.
I don't have a problem with the King being a spirit and us being spirits or the King being physical and us being physical.
I don't have a problem with the resurrection of Jesus being spiritual if our resurrections are spiritual.
What I have a problem with is the mixing of the two types. If Jesus had a spiritual resurrection, then so will I, if he in fact had a physical resurrection, then so will I.

Regardless though this Kingdom on earth. Will our King be here with us or rule spiritually from Heaven.
At least answer this, why does Jesus had over his Kingdom to his father after he has renovated the earth and again subjects himself to God?

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Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which they themselves also await, that there is about to be a resurrection, both of the just and of the unjust.

About to be... Thousands and thousands of years from now? Oh well.
that is not KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASV


just what translation are you basing this on?
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Will Christ return physically to the earth to rule his Kingdom or will he rule it spiritually from Heaven?
If Christ will be the ruler of the renovated earth for all eternity, why does he hand over his Kingdom to his Father and sit at his right hand?

I'm thinking that if some Christians have a physical resurrection and stay on the earth for a million years or an eternity that their King would be here physically as well.
I don't have a problem with the King being a spirit and us being spirits or the King being physical and us being physical.
I don't have a problem with the resurrection of Jesus being spiritual if our resurrections are spiritual.
What I have a problem with is the mixing of the two types. If Jesus had a spiritual resurrection, then so will I, if he in fact had a physical resurrection, then so will I.

Regardless though this Kingdom on earth. Will our King be here with us or rule spiritually from Heaven.
At least answer this, why does Jesus had over his Kingdom to his father after he has renovated the earth and again subjects himself to God?
Art, what Scripture are you reading where Jesus hands over His kingdom to the Father?
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Art, what Scripture are you reading where Jesus hands over His kingdom to the Father?
It's right after the return of Christ and the resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:24
After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power.
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that is not KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASV


just what translation are you basing this on?
That's the Berean Bible, but it doesn't matter. Mello is used in the Greek and Mello means (about to).

ylt gets it right too.

Young's Literal Translation
having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;
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That's the Berean Bible, but it doesn't matter. Mello is used in the Greek and Mello means (about to).

ylt gets it right too.

Young's Literal Translation
having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;
so, at least 6 other interpretations missed the interpretation, but 2 got it right. hhmm?
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so, at least 6 other interpretations missed the interpretation, but 2 got it right. hhmm?
Yep... Greek it and weep!
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