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Most of the Christian world believes that the charismatic gifts died out very early in church history. That is just one area that is not practiced today (except by various charismatic churches.) Here are some other examples: I Cor 11:5-6 talks about women covering their heads when prophesying. Do the women in your church do that? Do the women in any church you know do that? I Cor 15:29-30 talks about being "baptized for the dead". Does your church or any church you know of do that? I think only the Mormons still practice baptism for the dead. The fact that I don't believe in snake handling does not invalidate the rest of that passage or all the others on baptism. 
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It's important that the books of the Bible be looked at and studied in context. 1. The 4 Gospels are written pre-Christianity. The Gospels detail Jesus' coming into the world, His ministry, and death and resurrected. They are God's answer to the prophets. 2. The book of Acts is about Christ's establishment of the church. He uses His apostles, and He uses the Holy Spirit to do that. Acts is the brings of the world to God thru Christ. First, the bringing of Jews to Christ. Eventually, the bringing of non-jews(gentiles) to Christ, thru Paul, Peter and Cornelius. Acts includes the spreading of the Gospel and the comforting of the young church. 3. Most everything else, all the letters and 1,2,3 John, Jude, 1,2 Peter, etc are books of additional instructions for Christians. Everything contained in them is written for the Christian's additional instruction. Example: The book of Acts tells how Christians were brought into salvation and added to God's kingdom. The book of Romans was not written to detail how a person comes to Christ, but what coming to Christ should do to that person. Romans 6 isn't written to provide the 'when' and 'where' of getting baptized. But Romans 6 does tell what baptism has already done to a Christian. In Matt 26 Jesus gave His apostles instructions on how to bring the lost to Him. You know what it says: "Go into all the world........." No one else ever heard those words of Jesus until Christ made and arranged for His story to be told in Acts 2. There, in Jerusalem, the Gospel was preached and people responded. They responded by responding to those  very words that Jesus had spoken to the apostles several weeks earlier.Now, in Rome, and Corinth, and other places, there were Holy scriptures written to further inform, teach, and educate those very Christians who accepted Christ there in Jerusalem in Acts 2. My point, The book of Romans was written to people who had been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. The same for Corinth and Thessolanica. Shew, this is very tiring. Forgive me for assuming you might not have already considered the above.
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Glad you went there. First off we didn't have the blood in the OT, except for the lambs that were sacrificed for remissions of sin, is that correct? Is that what day of atonement is about? the remissions of sin by the blood of an innocent lamb. The water saved Noah from a physical death though, right? And when God told Noah to build the ark, at that point Noah was saved because he believed or he wouldn't have built the ark. He believed first and was saved before the water came, he wasn't saved because the water came. What saved the children of Israel in egypt when the death angel came thru? The blood on the doorpost? They killed an innocent lamb(like Jesus) and painted the doorpost with that blood, therefore they were covered under the blood, the symbolic blood of the Lamb of God, the saving blood. Once we got that blood from the cross, that's what we use for remission of sins...water is symbolic of that blood, just like the lamb's blood in the OT is symbolic of the blood of Christ, yet the come. The NT is the OT fulfilled....everything that God did from Abraham almost sacrificing his son as a blood sacrifice down to where Isaiah says He will be denyed came to fullness in the NT. Jesus says it is finished, He did all the works, He shed all the saving blood and forgave is for our sins 2000 yrs ago, if we just believe it. Should we obey Jesus and do the things He wants us to do, yes of course we should. But still He isn't saying you must do anything else to be saved except to believe in Me and who I am. No one will come to the Father except thru Me.
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How can you tell me which scriptures to pick and choose to prove my point because of some people in the early church don't believe such and such? You either believe it and obey it all or you realize that it was a process. In the end of all those teachings what does Christ tell us is the most important things we need to do? Does He say for my sake get baptized, speak in tongues, handle snakes, wear a scarf, don't wear jewelry, don't boast....well yeah He says all that stuff, can we pick and choose which we want to follow? Or can we come to understand that when Jesus used examples, all kinds of examples of how we should do things. Are we condemned because we don't say the Lord's prayer everyday? Some folks believe we are. Do some people still think women should wear things on their heads and wear no makeup and no jewelry...yes they do and they truly believe that you are not saved. My grandmother told me if I danced, I'd get thrown into a hot hot place, my grandpa said oh you cut your hair, you're doomed. My other grandmother, you need to go the church everytime the door is open because Christ said to gather together.....all legalism. Jesus is concerned for my spirit, not what I wear, etc....of course I try not to be 'vulgar' in dance or dress because I'm housing the HS. Jesus says my yoke is light all you have to do is believe and before my death you'll be washed in water and after my death you'll be washed in the blood of the lamb...JTB basically says that...I (JTB) baptize you in water HE (Jesus) will baptize you in the Holy Spirit...at the point we accept the HS (Jesus) into our hearts we are saved, not at the point of water baptism. He showed us how to pray, He expressed to us how we could be cleansed of our sins thru His blood, buried with Him resurrected with Him, by His blood, because of His blood.
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The JW's (poor guys I pick on them a lot)....can stand in your living room and quote one verse after another to prove their point, leaving half of the passage out that they don't want to acknowledge or accept. They can say well that's past away....alrighty then, so parts of the Bible we don't even need...we can just toss it aside.
Ever talk to one? they never use the entire scripture, they pick and choose to back their belief. I believe it's the church of Christ that believes something similar, that it's by works....because after all that one verse they pick out says, faith without works is dead. And when you try to tell them that you are saved by grace and faith in Christ and that He is who He says He is, then they come up with a single verse out of the bible or a string of single verses and they could possibly make a valid point, if you don't know when the entire text says. Anyway, I'm tired, too. I'm baptized, I believe everyone should be baptized to experience what it is like to feel your sins washed away yet understand that you are really buried and resurrected with Christ as you are being cleansed by His blood. But when someone tells me I accepted Christ last year as my Saviour and He came into my heart and my life is changed and I'm a new person.....I'm not going to tell them, well if you aren't baptized I hate to tell you, you're mistaken, you couldn't possibly be a part of Christ because you need to be baptized to really be part of Him. Y'all can, but I'm not gonna do it. I would tell them to be baptized, but I'm not gonna say that's what will save them...that's just wrong.
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Did his disciples ever baptize anyone? Here's an even better question: Did any of His disciples ever tell anyone to repent and then say, "Hey, you know that baptism thing? It's really not a big deal. It's only a symbol of what just happened to you. But, if you get a chance in the next month or so, go talk to your pastor about it."
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I'm not sure about tongues, don't do it, don't handle snakes as evidence, but some people do. Do I think they should....uh not necessarily, because I don't believe it proves we are saved, same as baptism. Trust me I'd love to think I had the power of the HS so strong inside me that I could speak in tongues and that I'd never be harmed by snakes or poison, but I don't have that power, neither do I have the power to save myself by choosing baptism in water. My baptism nor my choice in baptism doesn't save me, it's the blood that saves me, I'm saved before I get to the river or I wouldn't even believe in baptism.
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I'm pretty sure Christ didn't say here drink me, eat me and pass around flesh and blood, He used something else symbolic. There's just something about blood that in the flesh, people don't want to drink or bathe in. ONLY because we understand what the blood means are we willing to do it in the spirit of Christ.
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Reread the story of Saul on the road....make a list of what happens first, second, third and so on. Since that's an example we're looking at, and tell me how I explained it isn't scriptural. example...I'd like to see your step by step analysis of the story. The Lord comes to Saul (of course Jesus already knew what 'Paul' would do..would baptism change that?) and then when you get done, you or somebody, I'd like to see how you parallel the OT and NT blood/salvation
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Sheesh if I really thought that the water washed away my sins, I'd have to get baptized every other week
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Hey what happened with the Noah story? No reply?
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Jesus baptizes every single person that will enter the gates of Heaven... Matthew 3:11 11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mark 1:8 8I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost Luke 3:16 16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost John 1:33 33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. Acts 1:5 5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence now see that there actually 2 baptisms. thats why Jesus never baptized anyone with water. He didnt need to. He baptizes with the HS... 1 Corinthians 6:11 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. here we see that we are "washed" by Jesus' work on the cross. so many times when the Bible says they were baptized... many of those times mean they were baptized with the HS by Jesus... what i mean is, they were not necessarily told to be dunked under water in the river. ex. Matthew 20:22-23 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. the baptism that Jesus is talking about is the baptism of the Spirit. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: what did Jesus command? to go and preach the Gospel. convert people by the hearing of the Word which leads to the baptism of the Spirit. He did not say go dunk in a river. how do we know that? the Bible tells us: Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness (water), and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (which is the baptism of the HS) if water baptism had any saving qualities at all... why would JTB preach 2 different baptisms (water and repentance)? because water baptism has no saving qualities. the baptism of the HS has the saving qualities. if getting dunked saved people there would be no need for another baptism (of the Spirit). thats why getting dunked is an outward expression of something that happened internally (baptism of the Spirit) Mark 16:15-17 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be dammed. this is proof of that getting dunked is not necessary for salvation. i believe we should do it because Christ told us to, but not because it has anything to do with salvation... believing is a requirement for salvation. because He says so. but in this verse there is no proof here that this baptism is getting dunked versus the baptism of the HS. but my point is there are many verses like this one where we just dont know for sure that they are commanding water baptism or the baptism of the HS. John 4:1-6 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples, this verse sounds like a contradiction. it said Jesus baptized more than John but then it says Jesus did not baptize anyone... how is that possible??? easy, if you understand baptism... Jesus did not give anyone a water baptism like it says here but He baptized "many" because He baptized them with the HS... Acts 2:37-55 37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (to be saved) 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. this scenario is about the baptism of repentance. repent and be baptized (baptism of the Spirit). would it have even been possible to baptize (with water) 3000 people in one day? thats a lot of water baptisms in one day. even if they did actually water baptize all 3000 folks... there is no proof of it here that it was water baptism. Acts 8:12-13 12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. notice that these people believed and then they were baptized... faith in God always comes before the water baptism. they believed and were saved (baptism of the HS) then baptized with water. Acts 8:35-40 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. (the Word is always preached) 36 Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. more proof that God wants people to believe with all their heart prior to getting Baptized. the eunich wanted baptism, but Peter said only if you believe with all your heart... the eunich believed and the baptism of the HS occurred then the water baptism. Acts 9:17-18 17And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. again, Saul (Paul) believed because He heard the Word (Jesus), received the HS and was then baptized... Paul was already saved when he got water baptized. Paul received the Word (Jesus), received the baptism of the HS which is the eternal baptism and then got the water baptism. Acts 10:40-48 40Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. (the preaching of the Word) 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him (Jesus) shall receive remission of sins. (baptism of the HS after believing the Word) 44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the Word. (the Word ((Jesus)) saves people!! not water... when you have the HS, you are saved) 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. (they were saved, they had the HS) 46For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, (they are already saved) 47Can any man forbid water (baptism), that these should not be (water)baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (asking if they should be water baptized??? this is the second time that the disciples made double extra sure that a person's heart was right before God and had received the HS before giving the water baptism) 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. (they decided to water baptize because they were truly saved) Acts 18:7-9 7And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue. 8And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. again you have the preaching, hearing and believing of the Word, the HS baptism or remission of sins and then water baptism. 1 Corinthians 1:16-17 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel if water baptism has saving qualities... why would Paul not go around water baptizing everyone? because there is no saving qualities in water baptism. there is saving qualities in hearing the Word of God which leads to a baptism of repentance and a filling of the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. the baptism of the Spirit is the baptism that saves. not water. we are baptized by the Spirit (with the hearing of the Word) into Jesus Christ... Galatians 3:25-30 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (we are saved thru faith in Christ, not water) 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (baptized with the HS and into Christ. he did not say "baptized into the river" but baptized into Christ by the HS) Ephesians 4:4-6 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (the one baptism of the Holy Spirit, baptism of repentance... a water baptism could not apply here) 1 Peter 3:20-22 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (which baptism?) (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, (not water baptism) but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (but the baptism of the Spirit...) we should receive a proper water baptism after getting our hearts right with God and receiving the Spirit (baptism of the HS) because Jesus told us to... not because there are saving qualities in water but because we love Jesus and want to please Him... He is our Lord and Savior. Last edited by BeenHuntn; 02-08-2010 at 10:54 PM.
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BH, you say we should focus on he word of God, but that was IMPOSSIBLE for any Christian until the 16th century.
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Here it is... in Acts 9:6 the Lord says, "Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou MUST do." What is ment by the MUST DO part??? Must Do... MUST Do.... does that mean optional? No, it means MUST DO... What did Ananias tell him??? He clearly believed and then was told by Ananias to be baptized to wash away his sins... How much clearer can it be! Just because one believes doesn't mean one is saved... What does baptism do then? What is the purpose of it? I don't think there is anyway to make you or BH understand the importance of what the NT teaches on baptism... Both of you say it isn't important, take it or leave it is the attitude I get from the two of you.
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My favorite.... "this scenario is about the baptism of repentance. repent and be baptized (baptism of the Spirit). would it have even been possible to baptize (with water) 3000 people in one day? thats a lot of water baptisms in one day. even if they did actually water baptize all 3000 folks... there is no proof of it here that it was water baptism" HAHAHA....serious?...Brilliant Do you think it would have been possible for Jesus to feed 5000 with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish.... what are your thougths on that??? Last edited by whome; 02-08-2010 at 11:35 PM.
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didnt switch gears. still debating baptism... i just wanted to point that the Bible teaches that there are 2 baptisms and they each have their roles.... yall were saying that baptism was necessary for salvation and you were correct... but you were only partially correct. you had the wrong baptism.... it is impossible to go to heaven without the baptism of the HS... the other is just a symbolic command by Jesus once hearing the Word, believing and repenting. we still need to get water baptized.... but Biblically.
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If and only if you are reading my post you will see the attitude or spirit, I write what I write and nothing I've said has belittled baptism. If anything you all who think baptism in water is what saves you is belittling the crusifiction of Christ and the shedding of His blood that is needed for the remission of sins, just like in the OT where an innocent lamb was sacrificed for the remission of sins....what part of that parallel don't you get?.Jesus says it is finished, the OT fulfilled by the death on the cross....the final lamb, the final bloodshed for atonement. Are you gonna throw John 3:16 out? 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. That's where it says if we believe we will not perish, we will be saved....what part of that don't you get? Nothing we do will save us, nothing will save our flesh, water, holy water, laying on of hands, not wearing makeup, wearing a head covering, speaking in tongues....NONE of that will save us. Jesus saved us when He died on the cross and we accepted Him as our saviour. Make a list of all the things that every religion requires you have to do to be saved and being baptized in water will be on that list. God says to believe that Jesus is who He said He is, the innocent Lamb of God, that was sacrificed for our sins....how does baptism in water compare to that? Why didn't God spare Jesus and say, well just go get baptized in water and you're good to go? No He said we must be baptized in the blood, water being the symbol of blood.
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John the baptist and all the disciples used water baptism, Jesus baptizes in the HS, of course that comes after the work on the cross. It appears that some do not believe that anything changed after the cross. We need two baptisms? No just one, like Saul, we are baptized in the HS, today. Is water baptism worth anything? Of course it is, it's our flesh being washed in semblence of our spirit being washed in the blood for the remission of sins. Only the blood of Christ can really wash away our sins. Water is worthless unless we believe, it doesn't make us believe, it doesn't redeem us...it's something we do in the flesh only to show others we believe....Christ already knows that we believe, He knows our heart...well if you believe He knows your heart. He knows mine, and lives there.
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How funny is it that people can find every place in the bible that baptism is not mentioned but fail to be smart enough to find the places that it is mentioned. WOW
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It clearly establishes a procedural order. It does not refer to any step in that order as being more important than another. The HS is a "gift."
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Mark 16:16 " He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
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eat all of the lamb.
including his obedience.
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There you go... 
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02-10-2010, 10:35 PM
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au contraire... you can keep your water. i'll keep my baptism in the Spirit.
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Galatians 3:27 - For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. When you read that verse, what is it that takes you from being without Christ to being within Christ? Baptism..Pretty simple stuff Last edited by whome; 02-11-2010 at 12:50 AM.
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need proof? Acts 8:30-4 30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32The place of the scripture which he read was this (the Gospel), He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened He not his mouth: 33In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. (so the eunuch heard the Gospel and believed and he is saved!!) 36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? (why cant i get water baptized??) 37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he (Eunuch) answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. NOW the eunuch is saved. 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. now they are baptized in the water. 100% proof that water baptism should not occur unless the person has been filled with the Spirit thru the baptism of the spirit which comes from the Word and the believing in the Word..
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02-11-2010, 01:56 AM
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If we could be washed in water and be saved, then Jesus wouldn't have had to die on the cross. Sins were atoned in the OT by the shed blood of a lamb, they didn't use water on the Day of Atonement, they used blood. God said He'd provide Himself a lamb and sacrifice that lamb to take away the sins of the world once and for all....it's about the blood, all about the blood. And I think that is simple.
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So true, it IS the blood that was shed on the cross. That's what saves you... How do you get into Christ's death and his blood that was shed on the cross? What was his blood shed for??? Let see what God's word says about it.. Romans 6:3-5 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. Baptism is what takes us into Jesus and his death. So, to make this simple... Baptism= into Christ Baptism= into Christ's death Christ's death=blood I highlighted BURIED because if you all want to talk about symbolism, it's a good one to look at here and actually throughout the NT... What do you the symbolism between buried and baptism is??? So, you say... "the blood saved me, the work on the cross saved me, Jesus died on the cross for my sins" Can you see it yet??? Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Now, take a look at Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Again, let make this simple... Christ's blood shed=Remission of sins Baptism=Remission of sins So, you say... "the blood saved me, the work on the cross saved me, Jesus died on the cross for my sins" Can you see it yet??? Did Jesus shed His blood because people already had remission of sins? No, He did it so people who did not have remission could receive it and likewise, baptism is not administered because people already have remission but so people who do not have it can receive it. It IS simple.... Last edited by whome; 02-11-2010 at 03:36 AM.
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