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Old 03-09-2010, 11:22 AM
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The Georgia Right to Grow Act, or "Chicken Coop" bill will be heard by the FULL Agriculture and Consumer Affairs Committee this Wednesday, March 10th at 8:00am.

The text of the bill is here - http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2...text/hb842.htm

It's time to stand up for our property rights! This could be the most important piece of legislation to come our way in years regarding the keeping of chickens, goats, and rabbits, as well as growing our own food!

House Bill 842, Georgia's Right to Grow, or "Chicken Coop" bill will receive its SECOND hearing. This is a FULL committee hearing, and the SECOND step toward getting this bill to the floor of the house, and ultimately, into the hands of the Governor. If passed, this bill would supersede any local law or ordinance that prohibits the keeping of chickens, goats, and rabbits, or having a vegetable garden.

One of the co-sponsors of this bill, State Representative, Bobby Franklin stated, "A good turn out at this hearing would go a long way!" I can't stress enough how important a large crowd would be at this hearing!

I know many of us (me included) work during the week and can't attend. If this is the case, then you can call, fax, and e-mail your support to the following State Representatives that sit on the committee.

lee.anderson@house.ga.gov, blackellis@bellsouth.net, jon.burns@house.ga.gov, pat.dooley@house.ga.gov, winfred.dukes@house.ga.gov, carl.epps@house.ga.gov, bharden@planttel.net, michael@voteharden.com, penny.houston@house.ga.gov, lynmore.james@house.ga.gov, kevinlevitas@bellsouth.net, billy.maddox@house.ga.gov, dubose.porter@house.ga.gov, jay.roberts@house.ga.gov, reptonysellier136@msn.com, tommy.smith@house.ga.gov

You can also contact your local representative and ask them to join Chairman McCall in support of this bill!

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All of the illegals will be glad to see this being passed. They took it hard when people got upset at them slaughtering goats in the yard and calling the Po-lice.
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All of the illegals will be glad to see this being passed. They took it hard when people got upset at them slaughtering goats in the yard and calling the Po-lice.
I remember a case like that in Suwanee, it was legal(at the time) and the police had to give the goat back. I'd gladly trade the Yankee animal rights people for hard-working Hispanics.

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All of the illegals will be glad to see this being passed. They took it hard when people got upset at them slaughtering goats in the yard and calling the Po-lice.
So what do the idiots that called think their grandparents used to do?

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Laws against my game chickens. Like I told a group of scouts that I had here at my house, "If you can catch the ones running loose you can have them." I laughed for an hour until the last scout fell in the front yard and said "I give up coach"
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you know feeding yourself is a privilege, not a right! It would be better for the N.W.O. just to ban food all together. Get ready!
If I grow my own food and ANYONE comes to take it i'm gonna consider that as an attempt on my life and treat it accordingly!
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I fixed the link - http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2...text/hb842.htm

Its crazy that it comes to this. My great-grandparents used to a have a large chicken house (several hundred) right down on Bankhead Hwy in Mableton and they had fresh eggs and chicken all the time. On that same land my grandfather raised cattle and grew a nice garden that our entire family benefited from. Course now he's moved up to N.GA and its a frame shop now, but I grew up knowing where my food came from. But this will help prevent the crazy politicians from trying to zone out the folks who still want to have a little bit of a rural lifestyle, rather than depend on what they can find at Walmart or Kroger. Some will say just to get a variance, but last time someone tried to get that in Cobb for a small flock of chickens they zoning board shot it down. This will put an end to that type of thing, since for most zoning boards common sense doesn't come into play.

Reminds me of when I took a trip up to Helen and went by all the chicken farms up around Lanier, and saw some some large signs saying things like "Beware of fowl odor" etc. Turns out the folks that decided to build multi-million dollar homes in the area didn't like the fact that the chicken farms were for several generations before them, and were trying to run them off.
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So does this mean people can let cattle graze in their yards in suburban Atlanta?

If so, I don't think this law is going to go very far...
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No, this only covers gardens, rabbits, chickens, and goats. Its now passed onto the rules committee for approval.

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I guess I will be the fly in the ointment on this thread and play the devil's advocate.

I have always believed that governance closest to the people is best. In believing this, it allows people with like minded agendas to migrate into certain areas that are governed in a way that the majority agrees to. It is the simplest and most basic form of competition. So, when I move into a town that offers a higher density per acre population where my house sits on an acre of land and my neighbors side yard is within 30 yards of my driveway, I kind of like the idea that I get to choose an area that will be berefet of clucking chickens, crowing roosters, the smells of a billy goat in the spring time and other odiferous issues that come with keeping livestock.

Now granted, I did not read the full text of the law so what I just described might not be what is being voted on. But if it is, I hope it fails miserably. The private property rights of all individuals should be protected in that your rights to utilize your property stops at the point where my rights begin. It is the same principle that if I decide to play loud rap music or burn tires on my yard and the noise and smoke and smell permeates the quiet sanctuary of your homestead, you too would have a right to be upset.

Some time ago, I found a beautiful piece of property located up in the North Ga area and my wife and I considered buying it. It was the heat of summer and as we drove just a 1/2 mile down the road, the most awful smell invaded our car and we decided that we did not wish to share that air with our neighbors. We did not complain, they were there first and that area was filled with large chicken houses. We were not bitter, we simply respected their right that the local population wanted to live in those conditions. Just because we did not, did not make either one of us, the chicken growers and the non chicken growers...bad people. we were just different. The bottom line is that I believe it should be left up to local governments to make these decisions. Frankly, it is easier for you to replace a local councilman than a state rep and your local's can be held accountable much easier.

If this bill safeguards the rights of your neighbors also, then I withdraw my comments above.

Edited: Every man should have the right to plant a garden. I have never been woken by a tomato crowing at 3 in the morning.
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So what do the idiots that called think their grandparents used to do?

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Most development that has occurred over the last 20 years or so has been accompanied by reciprocal covenants running with the land. Those covenants often prohibit running a farm on a 1/4 acre in a dense subdivision. It will get interesting if the bill passes.
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It does cover those situations. If your neighbor is stinking up the yard or annoying you with noise (dog poo, unclean pens of any kind, roosters crowing, dogs barking, etc), then your local county ordinances against that go into effect. It also has no effect if you live somewhere with private covenants preventing such things. In basic terms you can have chickens, goats, rabbits or a garden in any area where there is no private covenant preventing it, and you aren't cause any legitimate issues (smell, noise, etc) with your neighbors. My personal feeling is that if someone is going to annoy you with a smell or noise, they will not likely care about the source of it, be it dog/chicken/goat waste, or a crowing rooster, loud music at 2am, or a barking dog.
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It does cover those situations. If your neighbor is stinking up the yard or annoying you with noise (dog poo, unclean pens of any kind, roosters crowing, dogs barking, etc), then your local county ordinances against that go into effect. It also has no effect if you live somewhere with private covenants preventing such things. In basic terms you can have chickens, goats, rabbits or a garden in any area where there is no private covenant preventing it, and you aren't cause any legitimate issues (smell, noise, etc) with your neighbors. My personal feeling is that if someone is going to annoy you with a smell or noise, they will not likely care about the source of it, be it dog/chicken/goat waste, or a crowing rooster, loud music at 2am, or a barking dog.
We are in agreement with your last statement. I believe the issue will come into play where one neighbor doesn't really like the idea of roosters crowing 50 yards off in the backyard of their neighbor while the rooster keeper can sleep right through it. I had a neighbor in a similar situation who kept a barking dog and refused to address it. They went through all 3 phases that are common with people who keep barking dogs. When approached by a neighbor asking for relief, they moved from being unaware, to recalcitrant, and landed right into mean and spiteful.

I can see the arguments now.....it is only a goat, he ain't hurting nobody. Except you can't stand to sit on your back deck because he has urinated all over himself trying to get the ladies attention and the smell runs you back into the house. The question will be who interprets legitimate complaints? The person who is the offender or the one being offended? Do people have a right to enjoy their property without being waken at 4 in the morning?
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I have called and ask that my reps vote against this bill. We don't need chickens and goats running around in city limits, and I definitely dont want to live next door to a chicken house.
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I have called and ask that my reps vote against this bill. We don't need chickens and goats running around in city limits, and I definitely dont want to live next door to a chicken house.
Just curious, to what extent do you think that a neighbor has a right as to decide what you do on your own property?
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So does this mean people can let cattle graze in their yards in suburban Atlanta?

If so, I don't think this law is going to go very far...
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I have called and ask that my reps vote against this bill. We don't need chickens and goats running around in city limits, and I definitely dont want to live next door to a chicken house.

Upscale urban chicken coops are trendy.Part of the local and organic food movement.
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I remember a case like that in Suwanee, it was legal(at the time) and the police had to give the goat back. I'd gladly trade the Yankee animal rights people for hard-working Hispanics.

(The link to the bill doesn't work)
This actually happened in Gwinnett County. Some Hispanics had a goat tethered in the front yard. Neighbors call and complained and the police showed up, explained to them that in the US of A, we don't keep goats in the front yard, and that there were county (or city) ordinances against doing so.

Well, the Hispanics wanted to do the right thing, be good citizens, get along with their neighbors, so they assured the police they would get rid of the goat.

Now why the police didn't see where this was going I don't know.

Next call the police got was that the Hispanics were butchering the goat in the front yard -- in front of the kids and all. So here come the police,and sure enough there's a skinned goat hanging in the front yard. Lots of head scratching ensued, and it turns out that while you can't keep a live goat, there was no law against butchering a dead good, and the Hispanics were doing exactly what they had told the police they were going to do -- getting rid of the goat. The police had to just pack up and leave, it was all a big mess with the city council.
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i'm glad my neighbors don't complain about chicken poop or I wouldn't be able to take my nightly swim in it!
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Just curious, to what extent do you think that a neighbor has a right as to decide what you do on your own property?
XZ, I know you asked this of Balrog and not me but I will answer. I think my first post on the subject pretty much summed it up if you wish to refer to it. If this was a personal conversation between you and Balrog, forgive the interruption.

But my answer is that your rights stop where mine begin. Keep a crowing rooster or a smelly goat 30 yards from my domicile and it affects my ability to enjoy the tranquility and comfort of the home, that every man should consider sacrosanct....that is where it begins.

Local governance is best in such issues. If the majority within that community wish to raise goats in the front yard, move locally to make it so. If I choose to move to an area that the local government does not allow these activities, it was because I wished to live near like minded people. For the record, I would not support a State law that supersedes local ordinances that would ban people from keeping livestock either. Why should a State lawmaker from Dekalb County be able to tell county commissioner from Taylor County that their residents can't keep a chicken in their back yard if county ordinances allow this and why should a Taylor County state lawmaker be able to tell a Dekalb county commissioner that they are forbidden to disallow the keeping of chickens in residential yards, if they wish to do so.
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Local governance is best in such issues.
About 80% of the time, so for the most part I agree with you.

The best part about local government is the ability to throw the bums out. I have discovered the problem with that prospect is you merely replace the old bums with new bums. I know this because I have served in both capacities.
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XZ, I know you asked this of Balrog and not me but I will answer. I think my first post on the subject pretty much summed it up if you wish to refer to it. If this was a personal conversation between you and Balrog, forgive the interruption.

But my answer is that your rights stop where mine begin. Keep a crowing rooster or a smelly goat 30 yards from my domicile and it affects my ability to enjoy the tranquility and comfort of the home, that every man should consider sacrosanct....that is where it begins.
I agree. If the critters are a noise/odor nuisance then you would have a legitimate grievance. I do not think that this bill would over ride local laws pertaining to those issues.

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Local governance is best in such issues. If the majority within that community wish to raise goats in the front yard, move locally to make it so. If I choose to move to an area that the local government does not allow these activities, it was because I wished to live near like minded people. For the record, I would not support a State law that supersedes local ordinances that would ban people from keeping livestock either. Why should a State lawmaker from Dekalb County be able to tell county commissioner from Taylor County that their residents can't keep a chicken in their back yard if county ordinances allow this and why should a Taylor County state lawmaker be able to tell a Dekalb county commissioner that they are forbidden to disallow the keeping of chickens in residential yards, if they wish to do so.
Well, parallels can be made to gun control, alcohol sales, and hunting over corn. If a local government is infringing on a natural right, of course I will side with the State.
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About 80% of the time, so for the most part I agree with you.

The best part about local government is the ability to throw the bums out. I have discovered the problem with that prospect is you merely replace the old bums with new bums. I know this because I have served in both capacities.
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I agree. If the critters are a noise/odor nuisance then you would have a legitimate grievance. I do not think that this bill would over ride local laws pertaining to those issues.



Well, parallels can be made to gun control, alcohol sales, and hunting over corn. If a local government is infringing on a natural right, of course I will side with the State.
We are of course agreed on all issues. Except I didn't know Elfii was a self proclaimed bum.
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Just curious, to what extent do you think that a neighbor has a right as to decide what you do on your own property?
When his rights infringe upon yours. In other words, when your stinky, loud chickens and your eyesore chicken coops start diminishing my property value, you have infringed on my right to ask for fair market value abscent your intereference.
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When his rights infringe upon yours. In other words, when your stinky, loud chickens and your eyesore chicken coops start diminishing my property value, you have infringed on my right to ask for fair market value abscent your intereference.
So then anything that lowers the property value of another residence is an infringement? If someone does something that increases the value of another residence, does that property owner owe the first some compensation?
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So then anything that lowers the property value of another residence is an infringement? If someone does something that increases the value of another residence, does that property owner owe the first some compensation?
XZ, play fair. He didn't say "anything", he said chicken coops and smelly chickens.

Though actually, you bring up a good point. In some areas, the best investment into the neighborhood begins with the investment into your own property. Generally, good neighbors will do their best to follow suit to keep the grass cut and the yard tidy if they see their neighbors doing the same. If you do have an outlier, it is easier to see where the appropriate social pressure should be directed in order to remedy the situation.
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When his rights infringe upon yours. In other words, when your stinky, loud chickens and your eyesore chicken coops start diminishing my property value, you have infringed on my right to ask for fair market value abscent your intereference.
A "For Rent" sign in your next door neighbor's yard would put a lot more hurt on your property value than few chickens.A garish paint job or an ugly fence would as well. Above ground pool, Camaro in primer, 1 or 2 large dogs, Republican candidate political sign inside the Perimeter, etc.
The impact of these things would be hard to quantify.If you are truly concerned with the neighbors' aesthetic taste, hobbies, and lifestyle "infringing" on your property value there are housing developments with covenants to protect you. They dictate all sorts of things.Paint color, additions, landscaping and prohibit "eyesores" such as pickups, motorcycles, boats, American flags, outbuildings, yard sales etc.
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Just curious, to what extent do you think that a neighbor has a right as to decide what you do on your own property?
When I am not able to enjoy my property because of what you are doing on your property.
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When I am not able to enjoy my property because of what you are doing on your property.
Do a half dozen laying hens next door impact your property?

City/suburban chickens are a big trend.
http://www.backyardchickens.com/
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Do a half dozen laying hens next door impact your property?
Do they make noise and disturb the peace?
Do they run loose?
Do they create a bad odor?
How big are out lots?
Do other neighbors have chickens too?

If there are 6 houses each on 1/4 acre lots, and each house has 6 chickens, then we are looking at 36 chickens in 1.5 acres... that sounds like there is going to be a problem.
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Do they make noise and disturb the peace?
Do they run loose?
Do they create a bad odor?
How big are out lots?
Do other neighbors have chickens too?

If there are 6 houses each on 1/4 acre lots, and each house has 6 chickens, then we are looking at 36 chickens in 1.5 acres... that sounds like there is going to be a problem.
Better than 12 dogs on 1.5 acres.Do you think everyone is going to raise chickens? Here are some pictures of chicken coops from my link above.
http://www.backyardchickens.com/chicken-coop-small.html
The few people I know who've done this have slightly bigger lots and the chickens are in an area smaller than a dog pen.I wouldn't want to live in an urban neighborhood full of fightin' roosters but can't see any harm in a having a few layers and broilers along with the vegetable garden.
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I would also support limiting the number of dogs per acre.

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They might if this law is passed.

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I don't see anything wrong with that either. Problem is, how many is "a few". What if I decide to plant my entire front and back yards in cabbage?

A wise political philosopher once said not to judge a law by its good effects if it is administered properly, but by its bad effects if it is administered improperly.

I think it would be best for people who want to be farmers to live on farms, not apartment buildings and townhouses.
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When I am not able to enjoy my property because of what you are doing on your property.
That can cover quite a lot. I guess you are willing to give government the power to decide who gets to enjoy what and in what manner on their own property.
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So how is your chicken coop construction going? Leave room for it in the cabbage patch.

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This is more like repealing a bunch of laws than passing a new one. It is a restoration of property rights. As I read it you still have cause for action if your neighbors are creating a nuisance. The law would remove the power of a vindictive neighbor from getting you in trouble when your small scale subsistence agriculture isn't causing any real problems. Animals aside, shouldn't you be able to plant tomatoes and peppers in the front yard if that is the only spot that gets enough sun?

People who crave perfect uniformity and order can always buy in a neighborhood with restrictive covenants.

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That can cover quite a lot. I guess you are willing to give government the power to decide who gets to enjoy what and in what manner on their own property.
sounds like it dont it
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I believe the best way to handle this is to let the people locally decide what they do and don't want, rather than have it dictated to us by politicians in Atlanta.
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I believe the best way to handle this is to let the people locally decide what they do and don't want, rather than have it dictated to us by politicians in Atlanta.
I don't know about the chicken-keeping laws but your County and Municipal Code was probably largely written by politicians and lawyers here in Atlanta, many years ago.

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I like the laws the way they are now, and see no reason to change. If my county decided to change the laws, we could do so locally. If we go with the proposed state law, then to change it would require intervention at the state level. Politicians in Atlanta really don't need to control whether or not chickens are allowed in towns across Georgia.
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We have a no barnyard animal ordinance basically in reaction to the Mexicans moving in and bringing chickens and goats with them. About three years ago in a fairly affluent neighborhood the Mexicans rented a house built a pit, brought in a goat and slaughtered it for a Saturday night party. It so happened a rich cat woman saw the whole thing, called the cops for animal cruelty and things went from there) , and when you sit in the evening trying to enjoy the quite and and all you hear are three roosters 100's of yards apart crowing at each other all night you become all supportive of it.

Last year the city counsel thought about permitting chicken coops under certain restrictions. Then it would cost the coop builder $25 to have the city inspect if and approve it, and another $25 a year for a permit to have it. After word got out and phone calls were made I don't think I ever saw a local bill hit the trash can any faster.
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I believe the best way to handle this is to let the people locally decide what they do and don't want, rather than have it dictated to us by politicians in Atlanta.
And I have made the point that the people of Chicago and DC then should be able to decide to ban firearms without SCOTUS telling them otherwise.

Just because it is decided on a local level doesn't mean that it is in the interest of liberty. A person doesn't have a right to a high property value if it means infringing on another's right to do what they want on their own property (excluding noise/odor/light pollution issues of course).
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And I have made the point that the people of Chicago and DC then should be able to decide to ban firearms without SCOTUS telling them otherwise.

Just because it is decided on a local level doesn't mean that it is in the interest of liberty. A person doesn't have a right to a high property value if it means infringing on another's right to do what they want on their own property (excluding noise/odor/light pollution issues of course).
Not if the ordinance is un-constitutional. That is fight over banning handguns not regulating them as I am sure you know.

Goats and guns are apples and oranges. The constitution does not express the right to own a goat.

If someone wants to own goats, chickens or rabbits to raise as food, they should buy property zoned agriculture under police powers of the state.

If I don't want to live next to a neighbor with goats and chickens, I should not purchase property zoned or adjoining property zoned agriculture.

Zoning laws work when they are adhered to and enforced. This legislation is a waste of time and will only create more conflicts and confrontations.
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Well you have made the point, but unfortunately the point is silly. Firearm ownership is constitutionally protected. Animal ownership is is not. Zoning laws have been on the books for hundreds of years, and go back to the time of the founding fathers and the Revolution.

I agree with Jimbo's previous post.
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And I have made the point that the people of Chicago and DC then should be able to decide to ban firearms without SCOTUS telling them otherwise.

Just because it is decided on a local level doesn't mean that it is in the interest of liberty. A person doesn't have a right to a high property value if it means infringing on another's right to do what they want on their own property (excluding noise/odor/light pollution issues of course).
XZ clarify for me, are you self described as a libertarian or an anarchists?
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If someone wants to own goats, chickens or rabbits to raise as food, they should buy property zoned agriculture under police powers of the state.

If I don't want to live next to a neighbor with goats and chickens, I should not purchase property zoned or adjoining property zoned agriculture.

Zoning laws work when they are adhered to and enforced. This legislation is a waste of time and will only create more conflicts and confrontations.
My neighborhood association goes a little further and clarifies no livestock other than horses. We had one neighbor try to defy it and raise chickens. He got rid of the chickens on the day he was to go to court and moved shortly there after. I will never understand how folks can sign their name to something like covenants, then go back on their (written) word later.
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My neighborhood association goes a little further and clarifies no livestock other than horses. We had one neighbor try to defy it and raise chickens. He got rid of the chickens on the day he was to go to court and moved shortly there after. I will never understand how folks can sign their name to something like covenants, then go back on their (written) word later.
Interesting you should mention horses, in Georgia horses are not considered livestock, but pets. Leaving the barn door open so to speak.

Another thing is unless the law has recently changed, deed restrictions or deed covenants are sunsetted. 20 years I believe.
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Not if the ordinance is un-constitutional. That is fight over banning handguns not regulating them as I am sure you know.

Goats and guns are apples and oranges. The constitution does not express the right to own a goat.

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Well you have made the point, but unfortunately the point is silly. Firearm ownership is constitutionally protected. Animal ownership is is not.
My point is entirely valid, and although I used SCOTUS as the "I said so, therefore it's true" arm of the federal government, I did not mean to infer that we are discussing constitutionality. The point was that a 'higher' level of government was protecting a natural right of a local citizen.

In the gun control example, the right to bear arms is protected under the constitution. But if it were not, it still would be a natural right and it would be a good thing that a higher government protect this right from the mechanizations of a local government.

It is the same with guns, marijuana, chickens, or hunting over corn. As long as bullets, bong water, rooster crowing, or corn kernels don't enter your property there is no harm no foul, or fowl.

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Despite what others may say, I am not an anarchist. I prefer to define myself as a minarchist, i.e. minimal 'government'. I try to stay away from the libertarian label it is too often confused with the Libertarian party.
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