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Old 08-30-2012, 06:34 PM
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Agape love is selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love, the highest of the four types of love taught in the Bible.

It is not driven by emotions, and it is not given in response to some good that's been done. It is a decision to love, even when there's no other reason.
Love is not a decission of the head. If it does not come from the heart then it no longer qualifies as love.
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Isn't love a genuine care or concern for someone, wanting to help someone or look after someone? Well that's kind of how I feel about it when its directed to other people
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:53 PM
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Isn't love a genuine care or concern for someone, wanting to help someone or look after someone? Well that's kind of how I feel about it when its directed to other people
This I agree, you can't chose to be genuine
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Agape love is selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love, the highest of the four types of love taught in the Bible.

It is not driven by emotions, and it is not given in response to some good that's been done. It is a decision to love, even when there's no other reason.
Agape love is indeed the highest of the four, yet there's one more mentioned in 1John 3:1. The Agape love that is so great John couldn't explain it but to say,"Behold what manner of love has the Father bestowed upon us."
According to my strongs, Agape was the greek word translated here, and everytime I read this I think of John confused over trying to describe how great of love it is,trying to find the perfect adjective explaining how great the Fathers love is, and coming up empty.

Love is a gift, be it given or recieved and all love comes from God.
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:19 PM
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given we're communal animals we need to be able to form bonds for survival. I imagine at first those that showed no empathy or compassion died off faster than others as survival of a lone individual is harder than in a group. In order to recognize virtue in another was helpful in building tribes / communities.

BTW, that's me just talking i havent looked up any sources

edit: not to far off the mark i guess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_basis_of_love
How could hate still exist after all these years? I would think by now hate would have been taken care of by natural selection since love is required for our existence.
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Love is not a decission of the head. If it does not come from the heart then it no longer qualifies as love.
If love is not a decision of the head...kick Isaiah to the curb and most prophets. Even Jesus. I just figured out why males forget important dates and get their better halves aniversary cards they read with their elbows. ( I include myself in this. LOL )
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How could hate still exist after all these years? I would think by now hate would have been taken care of by natural selection since love is required for our existence.
Because love is a human thing of the spirit and not the flesh. Simple as that.
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Isn't love a genuine care or concern for someone, wanting to help someone or look after someone? Well that's kind of how I feel about it when its directed to other people
Yes that is what it is. Why don't we ask our mothers what love is. They have all kinds of experience with the many aspects of love including a ear full if we are in ignorance of it. If it was not for my mother's love I would still be beating up my brothers or getting beat up buy them. I would never have known to "respect" girls or else! And "respect for grand parents...well...what a loving concept, mama".
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Love is not a decission of the head. If it does not come from the heart then it no longer qualifies as love.
Your head IS your heart. The greatest love is agape love, because in it you love unconditionally.

In emotional love, you'll unconditionally love the one who loves you. You'll give your life for that person.
But if that person is your wife, and she's caught cheating on you with 8 guyes from down the street, you'll stop loving her.

In Agape love, God's love, godly love, you'll even love the one who mistreats you.

In agape love, not only do you stop and help the injured man, but you stop and help him even if he is your enemy.

It's a love that comes with the cross. It's the impossible love. It's illogical.
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How could hate still exist after all these years? I would think by now hate would have been taken care of by natural selection since love is required for our existence.
Well, natural selection still hasn't gotten rid of manatees, as much as it's tried.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:30 AM
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If I pick a person and declare, "I will love that person", that is not love. Love is not decided, it flows from the heart. Disciplined love, or the love you guys are defending, is a sort of "have to" because you gave yourself the responsibility of it. But that disqualifies itself because now it is your obligation of your commitment to love.
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Ok. I'll try again in my own words. Love is( drum roll) making hay where there is none. It is very volontary.

Love is an action which creates many things. I love, you love, we love... used as a noun it refers to an action. Love is something we make happen. We have " comfortable feelings" and "special or out of the ordinary feelings" for some people for many reasons, emotions, familiarity and chemistry. The choices to lust for or to love are volontary.

Animals don't love, they make hay when there is some.
Good point, i suppose we should mention love can be a noun or a verb. The noun love (the emotional state, etc) i believe is involuntary, but of course the verb is not... thats kinda what a verb is To love, vs. in love
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How could hate still exist after all these years? I would think by now hate would have been taken care of by natural selection since love is required for our existence.
Are you an evolution denier?
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:24 AM
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Are you an evolution denier?
Im not sure, I just wanted to hear from an atheist as to how they might rationalize the evolution of love, and I appreciate your answers.I find it informative to know how people with differing opinions think.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:16 AM
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Im not sure, I just wanted to hear from an atheist as to how they might rationalize the evolution of love, and I appreciate your answers.I find it informative to know how people with differing opinions think.
Ok, i was just getting the vibe that the conversation was moving from a discussion to mocking.

I figure "hate" or dislike has as much of a spot as a positive feeling.

Unfortunately i think it might be a bit worn out, but at some point things like racism helped protect people. Back when people didnt move around much, an "outsider" was a threat.

Also, love might help tell good people much like hate would help tell bad people
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:22 AM
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Maybe I can explain it this way; Did you decide to love your children? or do you just love them. The first sounds like it would come from a step mom. The second from a mother or father. Which would you rather have as a son or daughter?
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RonnieT and Gordon2 have it right. Love is a verb. There are several different kinds of love which RonnieT pointed out, but it is definetly a verb. Action required. Decision required. The warm fuzzy feeling that happens is a byproduct of the action. It is a verb. You have to decide to do it.
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Are you an evolution denier?
I know this question was not directed at me, but I am curious. What is your definition of "evolution"?
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:07 AM
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I know this question was not directed at me, but I am curious. What is your definition of "evolution"?
Genetic change in groups of organisms over generations
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Because it was getting a bit rude to be posting in that other thread, and it's an interesting discussion.. lets move it over here.

I define love as such:

Love is our involuntary response to virtue... for good or for bad. I feel we recognize virtues in other people, that we hold important in ourselves... it means love might be brought on by different virtues by different people.

For instance to some, spirituality might be a big virtue that one might involuntarily respond to...

So saying that, i don't think you can love someone you've never met or know nothing about, its hollow. It sounds nice when you say it, but when you think about it it doesn't mean much.

So.. what is your definition of love?

Sounds like you've been reading Ayn Rand.

Love is a state wherein the happiness and well-being of another are essential to your own happiness and well-being.
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:29 PM
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Sounds like you've been reading Ayn Rand.

Love is a state wherein the happiness and well-being of another are essential to your own happiness and well-being.
That is a good way of putting it, which takes into account "love as oneself"
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I agree, I would simplify it as, "change over time". Civilizations or politics can also evolve, without genetics coming into play at all.

Here is another question about evolution. Do you consider it to explain the origins of man? For example, all life evolved from single celled organisms. Do you believe that sea slugs and gorillas, and humans all "evolved" from a common ancestor?
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I agree, I would simplify it as, "change over time". Civilizations or politics can also evolve, without genetics coming into play at all.
It could be, but in the context i was referring to it was biological evolution by natural selection.

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Here is another question about evolution. Do you consider it to explain the origins of man? For example, all life evolved from single celled organisms. Do you believe that sea slugs and gorillas, and humans all "evolved" from a common ancestor?
It's the explanation for all complex life so far. The only thing it doesn't encompass is when the inorganic became organic.

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Love is a state wherein the happiness and well-being of another are essential to your own happiness and well-being.
I understand what you're saying but this is also something of "co-dependency".

However, being free to contribute to another's best interests despite what they feel about you is love. It's sacrificial, not based on feelings, although feelings can and will come, good or bad. Our Lord went to the cross for all, "while we were yet sinners", regardless of them.
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It could be, but in the context i was referring to it was biological evolution by natural selection.



It's the explanation for all complex life so far. The only thing it doesn't encompass is when the inorganic became organic.



Yes.
Again, I know the question was not posed for me, and this is probably a topic for another thread, but I have to deny your definition of evolution. Yup, I am an evolution denier (per your definition).

And I have another off topic question. What do you mean by “when the inorganic became organic”? Thanks, Ted
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