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Old 02-08-2014, 07:51 PM
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Who has killed deer with a 45-70? I am thinking of making a trade and getting a 45-70 single shot handi rifle. Who has shot one of these ? The owner of the gun says it kicks so bad he wouldnt put a scope on it ?
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Old 02-08-2014, 07:55 PM
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Did not help the 7 th Cavalry at the Little big horn. The 45-70 has been around for a long time and yes it will kill a deer.
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Old 02-08-2014, 07:57 PM
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My dad had the same gun you are looking at and that thing did kick like a mule!!!
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Old 02-08-2014, 08:27 PM
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I just watched some videos on youtube on this gun and the recoil didnt look to awful from what i could tell
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I know a guy has one. I didnt soot it. But he said no big deal. But he is used to 30-06's 300's and 150 grain 50 cal muzzle loaders. Oh yeah, first time he shot it, he was 16. I say get it and scope it.
Oh yeah, he said it has crazy bullet energy and knock down.
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I shoot a 270 and love it and im one that says you dont need a mag or big gun to kill a deer but i thought it would be something to have fun with . Id hate to get something that is worse then a 12 ga on recoil
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Old 02-08-2014, 08:56 PM
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Get a Limbsaver recoil pad, it helps a lot.
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I have one in a lever gun, scoped, no big deal at all, shoots great, but...don't know about that single shot...good luck
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What about mounts and scope , What scope and mounts would you guys put on a gun with that heavy of recoil ? And i dont know anything about the handi rifles , He says this gun has the 32 inch barrel if im not mistaking , not the short barrel
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if you are that worried about recoil, get a limbsaver for it. Should cut the recoil down for you.
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The recoil isn't that bad in my opinion. Don't know about a scope, I don't have one on mine.
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45 70 is a back breaker. The deer's back
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A 3 1/2in turkey load has way more recoil then a 45-70
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I had one in a lever action. Kilt plenty of deer with it. Kick is no worse than a 3006.
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I have one that is the lever action Marlin models. It kicks like a mule, but will flat knock something off its feet. I killed a 400lb hog in one shot that never moved from its tracks. I also have a 30-06. It kicks worse than it and I have a limb saver recoil pad on it.
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This is the bullet out of the hog I shot with mine.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:26 PM
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There is no way a 45-70 can kick more than a 3 1/2" 12 gauge OO buck. I mean I wouldn't want to shoot it all day, but 4 or 5 times to sight it in won't be that bad. Just drink a few brewskis afterwards.
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That 32" is likely the Buffalo Classic with the Williams /Lyman target sights, I don't know if it's tapped for scope mount capability. Those sights, that barrel and caliber opens up another realm of capabilities.
I've got the 22" rifle with a Burris Fullfield II 3x9x40 and Ballistic Plex reticle. It's held up to about 35ft.lbs of recoil when I was trying to establish a good load for the gun using a 300gr JHP being pushed with 60gr of IMR3031 at about 2100fps. I've since found a better load with 56gr of the same powder at 1740fps, my brother in law even likes it in his Marlin which now has the same scope too.
Dang, if I had that thing I'd just have to try some 500gr stuff out of it!
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:16 AM
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Like others have said. Get a limbsaver for it. The honrady 325gr leverevolutions are good and recoil isn't too bad with that setup. I've got a 1-4x shotgun scope on mine that works very well.

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The 45/70 is a fine cartridge, that's why it's been around so long. I have a Marlin 1895 that has killed many deer and a few hogs. It has an old Leupold 2x7. The recoil is very mild with 405 gr factory loads and can be a little harsh with heavy bullets and hot loads. I'm not sensitive to recoil so I don't care how hard a rifle kicks. When shooting a deer or hog in never notice recoil.
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I have a true Marlin 1895 Guide gun in 45-70 and have taken several deer with it. I have only the factory recoil pad on it and it's recoil is no worse than my Model 70 Featherweight 30.06, no where near as bad as a 12 gauge with 3-1/2magnum loads. As far as messing up meat, not bad at all and the few deer I have shot with it dropped in their tracks.
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I like the handi rifle. I bought one for my son. The 45-70 may kick more with the handi rifle because the handi rifle is shorter and weighs less. That 45-70 is great for deer, hogs and bears.
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The trade didnt happen but got to shoot the gun ! It was a sweet shooter with recoil about like 12 ga bird shot ! I might try to get one in the future
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Do you know what load you shot in it? If I recall correctly, there are 45-70 loads for older guns that are milder recoil than45-70 loads for newer guns. My Speer manual #14 has 2 sections of load data, one for lever actions and one for strong actions.

Once I shot a friends 375 H&H Mag when I was trying to decide if I wanted a 375 Mag or 338 Mag and decided the 338 Mag is as high a recoil as I wanted to have to endure. A few years later I shot a friends 45-70 and thought it was on par with the 375 H&H Mag. Recoil tolerance varies greatly between individuals with the 338 Mag being my personal limit, but if the heavier recoil of the 45-70 suits you, go for it.
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Default a lot matters on the load!...yes, had several 45/70s...

A 'common' factory load is a mild 300 grain JHP load. It is designed to be safe in all 45/70s of sound design and good condition-it's a very comfortable load to shoot and good enough for deer. If you start loading warmer, and or start loading heavier bullets, say 350s, 405, and 500s, THEN you are going to start 'not' liking the recoil IF you load medium to warm loads under them.
I've had a Contender pistol w/12" barrel that was a mild recoiling pistol with 'mild' 300 grain loads. It gets to be much less fun when you start loading 350/405 grain bullets even with mild to medium loads! Also had a Ruger #3, Marlin 1895, and the H&R (NEF) Handi rifle in 45/70. It was very accurate in the Handi rifle and I killed a couple of deer with it. It IS a fun round to play with and you should enjoy it if you get one. Forget trying to 'enjoy' hot loads [recommended book loads] with the heavier bullets. I experimented a good bit with my Handi rifle, wrapping some Speer swaged pistol bullets [250 SWC] and killed one 8pt buck with one.
Its a fun round but it's not 'magic'. You can't hit a deer in a bad spot and expect the 45/70 to 'make up for it' although some of what you might read seems to give it that trait. Same for the two .458 Win mags I had, no magic, still have to place the bullet correctly to get a good kill!
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Old 02-16-2014, 01:15 AM
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My biggest question would be why? I mean, yea, you can kill a deer with 45-70... but is it the best choice? Why not muzzleloader?
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Even with a 45/70 you still have to hit em right. Ive shot em 3x with a 45/70 and had em still run off, dead,, but they still ran.

Also …shooting a 300 grain JHP…..at 18-1900 fps….doesn't always exit on the other side….

I found a 30-06 or 8mm Mauser kills deer quicker.
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