Three God people.

gordon 2 · Nov 30, 2011

I was talking to a friend of mine that went to Libya in their recent turmoil. He told me that him being a christian was a very big deal for the libyans he was with. Said they had all kinds of incorrect ideas about christians and their motives. One of the big problems was their beliefs that Jesus allowed christians to kill non christians ( crusaders) and that christians believed in three gods.

Said that the Devinchi Code is very popular reading there as a way to understand christians.

I wonder if we know arab muslims in the same way?

Anyway after three weeks of working side by side, throught many conversations, both sides came to understand that each side was peace loving.

JB0704 · Nov 30, 2011

G2, I understand the premise of your comment, and appreciate it. As many on here know, I try to be as open minded as possible with these things.

Unfortunately for Americans, we live in a world where Muslims kill us for religious reasons. Thats a hard bridge to cross when trying accept them as peaceful.

centerpin fan · Nov 30, 2011

gordon 2 said:
One of the big problems was their beliefs that Jesus allowed christians to kill non christians ( crusaders) and that christians believed in three gods.

Said that the Devinchi Code is very popular reading there as a way to understand christians.

Very sad.

1) Jesus did not put His stamp of approval on the crusades.

2) Christians don't believe in three gods. The first line of the Nicene Creed reads, "We believe in one God ..."

3) Reading The Da Vinci Code to understand Christians is like watching Inglourious Basterds as a way to understand World War II. It's an alternate history.

JB0704 · Nov 30, 2011

centerpin fan said:
3) Reading The Da Vinci Code to understand Christians is like watching Inglourious Basterds as a way to understand World War II. It's an alternate history.

Didn't quite get the "buzz" about that movie. I usually like his stuff, but though that movie was junk.

Anyway, good point. I wish we could have more conversations with Muslims so that we could better explain our position. I don't know any that are from other countries. The only Muslim folks I know are Americans who converted.

centerpin fan · Nov 30, 2011

JB0704 said:
Didn't quite get the "buzz" about that movie. I usually like his stuff, but though that movie was junk.

Christoph Waltz's portrayal of Col. Landa was worth the price of admission -- one of the best performances I've ever seen.

JB0704 · Nov 30, 2011

centerpin fan said:
Christoph Waltz's portrayal of Col. Landa was worth the price of admission -- one of the best performances I've ever seen.

Yea, I agree. But, I thought Bradd Pitt was doing comedy. I guess that was the point, because the scene where he is acting like a hillbilly pretending to be Italian made me laugh like crazy.

However, overall, I still say it was junk. Not big on historical fantasy.

centerpin fan · Nov 30, 2011

JB0704 said:
...the scene where he is acting like a hillbilly pretending to be Italian made me laugh like crazy.

Me too. That was classic. :rofl:

gordon 2 · Nov 30, 2011

Imagine being in a religious culture that is dead set on one God, the god of Abraham, believing that christians are trying to convert the faithful to their faithless and pagan christian doctrines!

Imagine the pressure on one muslim in that culture to even entertain a spiritual relationship with a christian that even remotely could turn to a conversion from Islam!!!!!!!!!!!

The unthinkable ( figuratively) comparison might be the jews under Jeroboam who converted from Yaweh to Baal!!!!!

Also it is perhaps usefull to consider that Libya is not yet westernized and the people of Libya, mostly muslims, when they view the west are not spiritually impressed by the fruits of its many forms of christianity.

centerpin fan · Nov 30, 2011

gordon 2 said:
Imagine being in a religious culture that is dead set on one God, the god of Abraham, believing that christians are trying to convert the faithful to their faithless and pagan christian doctrines!

Imagine the pressure on one muslim in that culture to even entertain a spiritual relationship with a christian that even remotely could turn to a conversion from Islam!!!!!!!!!!!

Even worse, imagine being a woman in that culture.

1gr8bldr · Nov 30, 2011

Every religion is misrepresented in some way by it's opponets. I have heard it said that Muslims are a peaceful people given a bad name by the extreme of the Muslim faith. We don't actually see that many Muslims killing people. Sure we see it sometimes but not considering how many Muslims there are. Hard to acuse 1000's of Muslims as killers for what 2% did

gordon 2 · Nov 30, 2011

1gr8bldr said:
Every religion is misrepresented in some way by it's opponets. I have heard it said that Muslims are a peaceful people given a bad name by the extreme of the Muslim faith. We don't actually see that many Muslims killing people. Sure we see it sometimes but not considering how many Muslims there are. Hard to acuse 1000's of Muslims as killers for what 2% did

This (misrepresentation) also goes for denominations within the same religion. I don't even know how to go about thinking about this...

I am fully aware that we all demonize the enemy...but ....

JB0704 · Nov 30, 2011

1gr8bldr said:
Every religion is misrepresented in some way by it's opponets. I have heard it said that Muslims are a peaceful people given a bad name by the extreme of the Muslim faith. We don't actually see that many Muslims killing people. Sure we see it sometimes but not considering how many Muslims there are. Hard to acuse 1000's of Muslims as killers for what 2% did

Yes, you are correct. The problem is that we have an entire generation of Americans who have grown up in a country at war to reconcile Muslim atrocities (simplified thinking, I know, but we are talking about a kid's perspective). That type of thing is hard to overcome. I know it is for me, anyway. And maybe that kind-of supports the point of the OP.

SarahFair · Dec 1, 2011

People live in fear.
Once we learn to get over fearing what we do not understand there will be more peace among us.

...simple isnt it?

JB0704 · Dec 1, 2011

SarahFair said:
People live in fear.
Once we learn to get over fearing what we do not understand there will be more peace among us.
...simple isnt it?

I don't understand how that works. Let's say we stop fearing the Muslim terrorists, does that mean they will stop trying to kill us?

SarahFair · Dec 1, 2011

No...
Everyone has to come to a mutual understanding of each other.
We are going to have to peacefully agree to disagree.

Im not saying its going to happen tomorrow, next year, the next 20 years, or even in this lifetime.

...We are at the dawning of a new age
"The Age of Aquarius"

Currently we are leaving "The Age of Pisces" which is the cause of all these religious wars.

(each age lasts 2000 years, give or take..)

But this is a whole different topic.

gordon 2 · Dec 1, 2011

SarahFair said:
No...
Everyone has to come to a mutual understanding of each other.
We are going to have to peacefully agree to disagree.

Im not saying its going to happen tomorrow, next year, the next 20 years, or even in this lifetime.

...We are at the dawning of a new age
"The Age of Aquarius"

Currently we are leaving "The Age of Pisces" which is the cause of all these religious wars.

(each age lasts 2000 years, give or take..)

But this is a whole different topic.

OK, I'm going to topic this out of this tread. I what to know about the age of Aquarius and why at the end of the Age of Pisces we are haveing religious wars.

Here I go..........................

Atlfinfan · Dec 22, 2011

1gr8bldr said:
Every religion is misrepresented in some way by it's opponets. I have heard it said that Muslims are a peaceful people given a bad name by the extreme of the Muslim faith. We don't actually see that many Muslims killing people. Sure we see it sometimes but not considering how many Muslims there are. Hard to acuse 1000's of Muslims as killers for what 2% did

Although I am not an authority on the Muslim religion, I have learned that something like 80 plus percent of them are OK with the violence that the 2% do. That is not a religion of peace. They have no reason to be honest with ANYONE that is not a muslim. Everyone else is an infidel and its ok to lie to them, without concequence, either now or in the 'afterlife'. That is why it does no good to negotiate with them. Even the 2 sects dont believe the other is a real muslim, sheite and sunni. That is why Iraq will never quit killing their own and will also never settle down to peace.
Dont let the media tell you otherwise, even though that is the new agenda they are pushing, including the new show about...muslims in America, or what ever its called.

LostSoul · Jan 7, 2012

Atlfinfan said:
Although I am not an authority on the Muslim religion...

Which is why you shouldn't spread your "opinion" on the Muslim faith, which is called Islam by the way.

Atlfinfan said:
Even the 2 sects dont believe the other is a real muslim, sheite and sunni.

No different than the different Christian sects (denominations).

mtnwoman · Jan 8, 2012

JB0704 said:
I don't understand how that works. Let's say we stop fearing the Muslim terrorists, does that mean they will stop trying to kill us?

We just wish.

I wish I could get out of the fear of walking a mile down the road at 3am to get a warm krispykreme donut. Well maybe if I carried my shotgun I'd feel safe doing that.

mtnwoman · Jan 8, 2012

JB0704 said:
Yes, you are correct. The problem is that we have an entire generation of Americans who have grown up in a country at war to reconcile Muslim atrocities (simplified thinking, I know, but we are talking about a kid's perspective). That type of thing is hard to overcome. I know it is for me, anyway. And maybe that kind-of supports the point of the OP.

And the generation before that, it was communism.

Our entire country is being taken over by illegals without a shot fired. We need to be protecting our own country and borders and let the rest of the world fight each other to the death.....muslims have been causing problems for thousands of years, not all muslims but some. But don't think for a minute if the extremists tried to take over our country, they wouldn't have plenty of backup even from peaceful muslims in this country. Same way we backed each other in killing off the native americans, who did nothing to us.

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