centerpin fan
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Biblical errors....
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Ronnie T
Ol' Retired Mod
To the new guys, please read this thread concerning the subject of which version is God breathed:
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=641610
I would advise not to tip toe around the issue. Like it or not!
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=641610
I would advise not to tip toe around the issue. Like it or not!
JB0704
I Gots Goats
That's a GREAT book. Put it on your "to read" list.
I would, but you guys really gave me a long enough list, still working on the first order....some of your suggestions are in line for the next round, 'Ol Billy Bob will have to wait a bit.
Ronnie T
Ol' Retired Mod
You guys know me when it comes to this topic, but I can say that I don't disagree with anything said in the first link.The second link, I disagree with some things. So, I'm thinking that we are getting much closer on this issue. I like Wallace, he takes some hard stands against his own. That takes guts. But I do find it incomplete in regards to what he seems to be calling copy mistakes. Many, are not copy mistakes but oral transmission issues. Such as the question of "which came first? the quail or the manna? Copy mistakes show themselves usually in a word or two. Context mistakes come from the accuracy being lost through the verbal passing of one to another. Such as is the case with the quail. But regardless of which it is, the bible is reliable in regards to the intended context
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
I had an appointment at an Argument Clinic this morning. I made my appointment on time and said "I'm here for my argument." The receptionist said "no you're not." I said yes I am, I have an appointment. She said "no you don't."What I love about this forum is how we can argue about anything
jmharris23
Moderator
I agree and disagree with this. Yes a man can find Jesus anywhere, but I don't believe a man can come to KNOW Jesus without KNOWING what the bible says about Him.
Of course, I believe that the bible is the revealed word about the WORD.
jmharris23
Moderator
To the new guys, please read this thread concerning the subject of which version is God breathed:
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=641610
I would advise not to tip toe around the issue. Like it or not!
X2
We don't need to discuss the issue of which version is better any further.
JB0704
I Gots Goats
When you say "KNOW," are you referencing a deeper understanding, or a redemptive belief?
The reason I asked the original question is that there seems to be a lot of hang-ups relevant to what version we read, how we read it, what we see when we read it. When I was a kid I had to pass out little pamphlets about salvation as part of the youth group I was in. Not sure what the effect was, but it seemed the author of the literature did not believe the revealed word was a necessary tool in the salvation process. It was the message within.
stringmusic
Senior Member
El Biblioteca
The one that goes from Genesis through Revelation.
jmharris23
Moderator
Deeper understanding is mostly what I am referring to......but really the answer is both for me...as I am not sure how one could come to Know Christ without scripture for scripture is the revealing of Christ.
By that I do not mean everyone comes to Christ while holding a bible in their hand, but that the Christ you and I proclaim we proclaim based on what we know of Him from the bible.
JB0704
I Gots Goats
I agree with that. I guess what I am saying is that I believe the Bible is the messenger of the gospel, not the source of the gospel, if that makes sense. Jesus is the source. I do not view the Bible as part of the trinity, but a revelation of God. For these reasons I don't get too caught up in the errors and translations debate. I want to know what it is trying to tell me about the source.
rjcruiser
Senior Member
No thanks. I've studied the issue...read several books on how we got what we have. Sure, there's more I could learn on the subject, but I don't think it would be a wise use of my time.
X2
I'll further clarify...the one with 66 books.
rjcruiser
Senior Member
I think I can agree with that. I'm not sure though. I think that based on scripture in Acts and elsewhere, God's Word and His message is laid upon our hearts. We see it through creation, we see it throughout our lives. I think that like the Ethiopian Eunich, God will provide a way for someone to hear the gospel with or without the Bible. I guess the Eunich did have a portion read to him....
All that to say...if the Lord has chosen someone out of the rainforest to be saved, He will provide a way for them to hear His message.
centerpin fan
Senior Member
jmharris23
Moderator
I don't disagree with this either. I just try to be very careful that the Jesus I personally proclaim is the Jesus presented to me in God's word. That's the only Jesus I know and the scripture is how God revealed Him to me.
I am always fearful that if we don't know the Jesus of the bible we will just make one up, and that is dangerous.
rjcruiser
Senior Member
Very true....very true. And the made up gospel that goes with the made up Jesus.
Ok, I know I’m being argumentative.
Since this was posted it has bothered me. When we qualify our “Final Authority” to the extent that it must be such that we can put our hand on it and read it, do we not bring into the picture the same “error” factor that is the basis of this thread; that being the fallibility of man. Granted, our life in the flesh seems to require such sensual input, but are we not in a better place, given that “God is spirit”, if we include the spirit in our claim of “Final Authority”, i.e. Scripture and Spirit.
Does not the varied life experiences that we bring into our corporate life as believers, and the differences in interpretation that result, require a Spiritual factor to bring about the result which Scripture instructs.
stringmusic
Senior Member
formula1
Daily Bible Verse Organizer
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Indeed, sir. Thanks for posting that. I was thinking it, but I never posted it. Scripture points us to this truth. We learn this by the recorded Word of God, that the Spirit of God that dwells in us gives life to the Truth contained in the written word and brings us to a full life in Christ. Here are just some I thought of but there are many more. The scriptures are so wonderful but without the Holy Spirit bringing them alive in us, how can we truly understand our Lord!
John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 15:26
But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
John 16:12-14
12 I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
1 Corinthians 2:9-11
9 But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—
10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.
Ephesians 1:16-18
16 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
1 John 5
6 This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
Indeed, sir. Thanks for posting that. I was thinking it, but I never posted it. Scripture points us to this truth. We learn this by the recorded Word of God, that the Spirit of God that dwells in us gives life to the Truth contained in the written word and brings us to a full life in Christ. Here are just some I thought of but there are many more. The scriptures are so wonderful but without the Holy Spirit bringing them alive in us, how can we truly understand our Lord!
John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
John 15:26
But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
John 16:12-14
12 I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
1 Corinthians 2:9-11
9 But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him”—
10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.
Ephesians 1:16-18
16 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
1 John 5
6 This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
BrowningFan
Senior Member
I know many believers don't put as much clout on the Bible as I may. I know believers are saved and going to heaven that don't even open their Bible. I believe God wrote a book, many may think that is extreme. In my mind God speaks to you through his WORD. Christ was called the WORD. So I put a lot of clout on his word. I believe my Final Authority is the WORD of God. So I don't care what Bible (NIV ASA NASAV ect)someone uses just as long as they have ONE that is their Fianl Authority . If you use all the versions plus the greek text and keep some verses you like and through out other because that Bible doesn't agree with you , then YOU become the Final Authority. So I don't know how the Holy Spirit can work if YOU are the Final Authority and not the WORD of God.
So if my preacher doesn't match my Bible I choose my Bible over what he says , If another version doesn't match my Bible I choose mine over that version. I first sin in the Bible is not Eve eating fruit. It's Eve changing the word of God , compare Gen 2:16 with Gen 3:3
The first question I ask a JW, Mormon , 7dayer ect ..... What is their Final Authority their Watchtower , Elders ???? It's amazing the look on their face. But if we are going to have honest debate we have to be using the same Final Authority or they will say something different. I will let them use The New World Translation (I have read it 2 times so I have not issue debating using their Bible it's from the Westcott and Hort greek text just like the ( NIV ASV NASV) so I know the areas to focus on.
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