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Isn't this thread tip toeing around a banned subject?
Oh, yeah!
Isn't this thread tip toeing around a banned subject?
That's a GREAT book. Put it on your "to read" list.
You guys know me when it comes to this topic, but I can say that I don't disagree with anything said in the first link. The second link, I disagree with some things. So, I'm thinking that we are getting much closer on this issue. I like Wallace, he takes some hard stands against his own. That takes guts. But I do find it incomplete in regards to what he seems to be calling copy mistakes. Many, are not copy mistakes but oral transmission issues. Such as the question of "which came first? the quail or the manna? Copy mistakes show themselves usually in a word or two. Context mistakes come from the accuracy being lost through the verbal passing of one to another. Such as is the case with the quail. But regardless of which it is, the bible is reliable in regards to the intended context
I had an appointment at an Argument Clinic this morning. I made my appointment on time and said "I'm here for my argument." The receptionist said "no you're not." I said yes I am, I have an appointment. She said "no you don't."What I love about this forum is how we can argue about anything
Isn't this thread tip toeing around a banned subject? In that spirit, I will try also........ I think, if a man finds Jesus reading "Billy Bob's Spirit Guide for Troubled Eskimos" it is no different than finding Jesus anywhere else. I mean, he still finds Jesus right?
To the new guys, please read this thread concerning the subject of which version is God breathed:
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=641610
I would advise not to tip toe around the issue. Like it or not!
I agree and disagree with this. Yes a man can find Jesus anywhere, but I don't believe a man can come to KNOW Jesus without KNOWING what the bible says about Him.
El BibliotecaSo my answer stands ..... my question to you is "What is your Final Authority in all matters of faith and practice that you can put your hands on and read?
Which One ?
When you say "KNOW," are you referencing a deeper understanding, or a redemptive belief?
The reason I asked the original question is that there seems to be a lot of hang-ups relevant to what version we read, how we read it, what we see when we read it. When I was a kid I had to pass out little pamphlets about salvation as part of the youth group I was in. Not sure what the effect was, but it seemed the author of the literature did not believe the revealed word was a necessary tool in the salvation process. It was the message within.
By that I do not mean everyone comes to Christ while holding a bible in their hand, but that the Christ you and I proclaim we proclaim based on what we know of Him from the bible.
I answered it for you in my first post .... but I will being willing to go down that road, if we can have honest debate and you are willing to put as much time into the issue as I have.(Trust me I was you times ten before I made the decision to pray and really find the answer myself ) I have 7 books on the issue I will send you if you will pray every night after you read them for God to show you wisdom. But you can't just repeat what you've heard if you have not spent the time looking for truth.
So my answer stands ..... my question to you is "What is your Final Authority in all matters of faith and practice that you can put your hands on and read?
I think virtually everyone who frequents this forum would say "the Bible". I certainly would.
Which One ?
The one that goes from Genesis through Revelation.
Deeper understanding is mostly what I am referring to......but really the answer is both for me...as I am not sure how one could come to Know Christ without scripture for scripture is the revealing of Christ.
By that I do not mean everyone comes to Christ while holding a bible in their hand, but that the Christ you and I proclaim we proclaim based on what we know of Him from the bible.
I had an appointment at an Argument Clinic this morning.
I think I can agree with that. I'm not sure though. I think that based on scripture in Acts and elsewhere, God's Word and His message is laid upon our hearts. We see it through creation, we see it throughout our lives. I think that like the Ethiopian Eunich, God will provide a way for someone to hear the gospel with or without the Bible. I guess the Eunich did have a portion read to him....
All that to say...if the Lord has chosen someone out of the rainforest to be saved, He will provide a way for them to hear His message.
I don't disagree with this either. I just try to be very careful that the Jesus I personally proclaim is the Jesus presented to me in God's word. That's the only Jesus I know and the scripture is how God revealed Him to me.
I am always fearful that if we don't know the Jesus of the bible we will just make one up, and that is dangerous.
"What is your Final Authority in all matters of faith and practice that you can put your hands on and read?
Ok, I know I’m being argumentative.
Since this was posted it has bothered me. When we qualify our “Final Authority” to the extent that it must be such that we can put our hand on it and read it, do we not bring into the picture the same “error” factor that is the basis of this thread; that being the fallibility of man. Granted, our life in the flesh seems to require such sensual input, but are we not in a better place, given that “God is spirit”, if we include the spirit in our claim of “Final Authority”, i.e. Scripture and Spirit.
Does not the varied life experiences that we bring into our corporate life as believers, and the differences in interpretation that result, require a Spiritual factor to bring about the result which Scripture instructs.
Ok, I know I’m being argumentative.
Since this was posted it has bothered me. When we qualify our “Final Authority” to the extent that it must be such that we can put our hand on it and read it, do we not bring into the picture the same “error” factor that is the basis of this thread; that being the fallibility of man. Granted, our life in the flesh seems to require such sensual input, but are we not in a better place, given that “God is spirit”, if we include the spirit in our claim of “Final Authority”, i.e. Scripture and Spirit.
Does not the varied life experiences that we bring into our corporate life as believers, and the differences in interpretation that result, require a Spiritual factor to bring about the result which Scripture instructs.
Ok, I know I’m being argumentative.
Since this was posted it has bothered me. When we qualify our “Final Authority” to the extent that it must be such that we can put our hand on it and read it, do we not bring into the picture the same “error” factor that is the basis of this thread; that being the fallibility of man. Granted, our life in the flesh seems to require such sensual input, but are we not in a better place, given that “God is spirit”, if we include the spirit in our claim of “Final Authority”, i.e. Scripture and Spirit.
Does not the varied life experiences that we bring into our corporate life as believers, and the differences in interpretation that result, require a Spiritual factor to bring about the result which Scripture instructs.