Texas found a way to get the hogs out of the deer woods

DBStone

Member

You should find new sources of "information". Not one of those is a reputable site. In fact, they are all sites designed to convince you of falsehoods. Every one of them. Google search those sites and see what pops up.
 

across the river

Senior Member

ucfireman

Senior Member
There was an article not too long ago talking about using some sort of salt, potassium nitrite?
Its a food preservative that is deadly to pigs but not other animals. It joked that the same thing we use to make bacon taste good is what kills the pigs. This seems better than Warfarin.
I'm not an expert on this stuff but I don't think Across the Rivers post is entirely correct either?
 

Beartrkkr

Senior Member
The problem is the delivery of the warfarin. There are special feeders that only hogs are supposed to be able to use. Problem is that bears as well as coons have gotten in them.




https://www3.epa.gov/pesticides/chem_search/ppls/072500-00026-20170103.pdf


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Kaput Feral Hog Bait: Page 2 of 5
Final Label 01.03.17
PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENTS
Hazards to Humans and Domestic Animals
CAUTION:
Harmful if swallowed. Keep away from humans, domestic animals and pets. Any person who retrieves
carcasses or unused bait following application of this product must wear protective gloves.
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (PPE)
Applicators and Other Handlers Must Wear:

Long-sleeved shirt and long pants,

Shoes plus socks, and

When handling bait or retrieving animal carcasses, chemical-resistant gloves made of barrier laminate,
polyethylene, butyl rubber (>14 mils), nitrile rubber (>14 mils), neoprene rubber (>14 mils), natural
rubber (>14 mils), polyvinyl chloride (>14 mils), or Viton (>14 mils).
Follow manufacturer’s instructions for cleaning and maintaining PPE. If no such instructions for washables
exist, use detergent and hot water. Keep and wash PPE separately from other laundry.
USER SAFETY RECOMMENDATIONS
Users should:

Wash hands before eating, drinking, chewing gum, using tobacco, or using the toilet.

Remove clothing/PPE immediately if pesticide gets inside. Then, wash thoroughly and change into
clean clothing.

Remove PPE immediately after handling this product. Wash the outside of gloves before removing
them. As soon as possible, wash thoroughly and change clothing.
ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS
This product may be toxic to fish, birds and other wildlife. Dogs and other predatory and scavenging mammals and
birds might be poisoned if they feed upon animals that have eaten the bait. Do not apply this product directly to
water, to areas where surface water is present or to intertidal areas below the mean high-water mark. Do not
contaminate water when disposing of equipment wash waters.
Kaput Feral Hog Bait: Page 3 of 5
Final Label 01.03.17
•Do not apply this bait directly on the ground, including all types of ground surface (e.g., bare or plant-covered
ground, paved surfaces, etc.). Apply this product only in hog feeders consistent with the description provided
above.
•Apply bait in fenced areas, if available.
•When handling bait or animal carcasses, wear protective gloves made of barrier laminate, polyethylene, butyl rubber
(>14 mils), nitrile rubber (>14 mils), neoprene rubber (>14 mils), natural rubber (>14 mils), polyvinyl chloride (>14
mils), or Viton (>14 mils).
•Store this product out of reach of children, pets, domesticated animals, and wildlife.
•Post bilingual caution signs (English and Spanish) in the treated areas to warn the public of the presence of the
Warfarin bait and to forbid disturbance of bait dispensers and hog carcasses. Post these signs on public roads,
trails, and pathways within and at common points of access to treated areas.
GRAZING RESTRICTIONS:
Do not allow livestock to graze on baited areas (whether fenced or open) during the
baiting program. If bait is to be applied in areas used for grazing, ensure that all livestock are removed and excluded
from baited areas before applying this product and for at least 90 days after toxic baits are removed from bait
dispensers.
SELECTION OF BAITING SITES:
Baiting sites must be consistent with the limitations set forth in the
USE
RESTRICTIONS
on this label (above). Before applying this product, observe the area selected for treatment to
identify where hog activity and trails are located. Look for evidence of recent activity, including hog sightings, hog
damage to crops, rooting of the soil, hog wallows, and fresh hog tracks and fecal material.
PLACING AND SECURING HOG FEEDERS:
Locate hog feeders in or near probable resting areas for hogs,
including brush along streams, dense cover, and tall vegetation. Do not place feeders in open areas in crops, fields,
or pastures. From one to three bait feeders may be used per placement location, according to the apparent number
of hogs visiting the location. Three dispensers spaced no more than 10 feet apart may be used where hog numbers
are excessive (e.g., if large hog family groups, or sounders, are present). Secure feeders in place, so that hogs
cannot tip them over, by use of T-posts or by tying the feeders to trees or shrubs.
CONDITIONING HOGS TO FEEDERS:
After the feeders are situated and secured, feral hogs must be conditioned
(trained) to feed from them. To accomplish this, load the feeding compartments with a non-toxic feed, and open the
lids to the feeding compartments by about 6 inches so that hogs can access this feed with little difficulty. To
condition hogs to accept this product, use one of the following preparations as the non-toxic feed: (1) cracked or
whole corn, soaked in water for 3-5 days until it has a noticeable odor; (2) cracked or whole corn treated with a
commercially available hog attractant which includes scents of hog urine, fruit, or pet food; or (3) Kaput Feral Hog
Lure. Load 25 to 50 lbs. of the non-toxic feed into each hog feeder. Provide access to non-toxic feed for three to six
weeks, until hogs are feeding readily from the bait compartments. Failure to condition hogs to feeders or ending the
conditioning period too early may reduce the number of hogs taken or prolong the period of time needed for toxic
baiting.
BAIT APPLICATION:
After feral hogs have been conditioned to take non-toxic feed from bait compartments,
remove all of the non-toxic feed remaining in the feeders. Add 25 to 50 lbs. of
Kaput
® FERAL HOG BAIT to each
feeder and
close lids to bait compartments
so that hogs must lift the doors with their snouts in order to access bait.
(Do not load this product into feeders from which no non-toxic bait was consumed during the conditioning period.)
Monitor feeders every 1 to 4 days once treatment has begun to determine whether hogs are accessing bait, to
assess whether bait is being spilled around feeders, and to replenish bait, if appropriate. Refill feeders if bait is
significantly depleted or degraded, and there still is evidenc
e of hog activity at the feeder. As bait take and hog
numbers decline, the feeders may be monitored at 5-day intervals, but site surveillance must continue as described
below. If possible, feeders should be checked at mid-day to minimize disturbance to feral hogs. Bait spilled around
feeders must be collected and disposed of properly.
SURVEILLANCE AND FOLLOW-UP:
Dead hogs may begin to appear in or near the treatment areas within 4 to 7
days after bait placement. Applicators must return to the treatment site within 4 days after the first bait placements
were made, and at 2- to 4-day intervals thereafter, to inspect the site for evidence of dead or dying feral hogs and/or
dead nontarget animals. All carcasses found must be disposed of properly. Carcasses may be buried on site in
Kaput Feral Hog Bait: Page 4 of 5
Final Label 01.03.17
holes dug deeply enough that the entire carcass is at least 18 inches below the ground surface. Cover buried
carcasses up to the level of the surrounding ground. If burial is not practical (e.g., due to frozen or extremely hard
ground) and other disposal methods are allowed by State and local authorities, carcasses may be disposed of by
other methods to ensure that carcasses are not accessible to scavengers. Continue to monitor the treatment area to
collect and dispose of feral hogs and to search for non-target animals for at least two weeks after the removal of all
bait from the hog feeders. Deaths of any animals other than feral hogs that appear to be the result of baiting with this
product must be reported to State authorities.
Note:
A dye in this product will impart a blue color to the fatty tissues of hogs that have eaten the bait.
 

Beartrkkr

Senior Member
There was an article not too long ago talking about using some sort of salt, potassium nitrite?
Its a food preservative that is deadly to pigs but not other animals. It joked that the same thing we use to make bacon taste good is what kills the pigs. This seems better than Warfarin.
I'm not an expert on this stuff but I don't think Across the Rivers post is entirely correct either?

Sodium nitrite is being used in Australia for hogs.
 

LittleDrummerBoy

Senior Member
So for those opposed to this new product, what other aggressive measures would you favor instead:

1. Requiring a certain number of hog kills for annual deer tags
2. License funded bounties on hogs
3. For profit market trapping of hogs

Current countermeasures are ineffective, and the problem is growing throughout the south. Gotta get more aggressive somehow.

Rather than just saying "no" to one idea, what ideas would you be OK with that stand a realistic chance of significantly reducing feral hog populations?
 

across the river

Senior Member
I didn't say it was extremely toxic to humans or that it isn't an effective pesticide. You said "DDT ban was a lie". It was banned because its misuse negativey affected raptor reproduction, among other things. That is not a lie.

I never mentioned DDT. You ask for reference in regards to someone else posts, and I provided so for you. You called those outlets a hoax, so I provided you another one. DDT was banned because Rachel Carson wrote a book that swayed public perception at the time. The "facts" in her book were propaganda. There have been numerous studies that show that DDT did not affect eggs shells. The US fish and wildlife service did an extensive study and found that the DDT did not impact eggs. Look it up. You should also look up that the Bald Eagle Population went up (per the Audubon Society) in many areas during the peak of the DDT use. You should look that up too.
 

NCHillbilly

Administrator
Staff member
Man. I agree that feral hogs are a big problem, but poisoning the woods is not the answer.
 

Gbr5pb

Senior Member
Every time I shoot one they disappear for a couple years? Never saw any until put feeders out
 

Dustin

Senior Member
So for those opposed to this new product, what other aggressive measures would you favor instead:

1. Requiring a certain number of hog kills for annual deer tags
2. License funded bounties on hogs
3. For profit market trapping of hogs

Current countermeasures are ineffective, and the problem is growing throughout the south. Gotta get more aggressive somehow.

Rather than just saying "no" to one idea, what ideas would you be OK with that stand a realistic chance of significantly reducing feral hog populations?

#1 I would agree to... only problem is some areas of the state have no hogs.

#2 They say a bounty would do no good for coyotes, if they will not implement it for one then they shouldn't be able to do it for another.

#3 Is a moot point, there already is market trapping for hogs.
 

ucfireman

Senior Member
So for those opposed to this new product, what other aggressive measures would you favor instead:

1. Requiring a certain number of hog kills for annual deer tags
2. License funded bounties on hogs
3. For profit market trapping of hogs

Current countermeasures are ineffective, and the problem is growing throughout the south. Gotta get more aggressive somehow.

Rather than just saying "no" to one idea, what ideas would you be OK with that stand a realistic chance of significantly reducing feral hog populations?

The Sodium Nitrite as stated above seems to be a good option, certainly better than Warfarin (Coumadin)
 

elfiii

Admin
Staff member
#2 They say a bounty would do no good for coyotes, if they will not implement it for one then they shouldn't be able to do it for another.

It's not that the bounty won't work. It's a question of where the money comes from to pay the bounty.
 

Jeffriesw

Senior Member
After reading a number of articles, the product is fairly promising in terms of effectiveness with minimal collateral damage.

I won't criticize TX for giving it a try, but perhaps LA and GA would be wise to see how things go in TX before expanding its use to other states.

No need to rush jumping on the bandwagon. Why not wait and see if some of the concerns that have been raised are borne out or if it is just chicken little syndrome?[/QUOTE]


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DBStone

Member
I never mentioned DDT. You ask for reference in regards to someone else posts, and I provided so for you. You called those outlets a hoax, so I provided you another one. DDT was banned because Rachel Carson wrote a book that swayed public perception at the time. The "facts" in her book were propaganda. There have been numerous studies that show that DDT did not affect eggs shells. The US fish and wildlife service did an extensive study and found that the DDT did not impact eggs. Look it up. You should also look up that the Bald Eagle Population went up (per the Audubon Society) in many areas during the peak of the DDT use. You should look that up too.

Oh? https://www.fws.gov/midwest/Eagle/recovery/biologue.html

https://www.fws.gov/ecological-services/habitat-conservation/pesticides.html

I know it's hard to sift through all the crap on the internet but if you want to know what the FWS has to say about DDT, you should probably start at THEIR website.
 

across the river

Senior Member
The Sodium Nitrite as stated above seems to be a good option, certainly better than Warfarin (Coumadin)

Sodium Nitrite still affects the blood and basically keeps it from carrying oxygens, so it isn't like it is some fool proof option that is being ignored. Pigs can't produce enzymes to counteract the effect of it like most other animals or humans can, which is why it has been looked at so much. The problem with Sodium nitrite is they have to eat a good bit of it at one time for it to be lethal. It would be like inhaling carbon monoxide. If you inhale a little you want experience much, but if the house fills with it, you essentially die from lack of oxygen. The pig has to eat enough sodium nitrite laced bait at one time to be lethal, just like you would have to breath enough carbon monoxide at once to die. The stuff tastes bad to pigs (an most anything else), so it isn't easy to mask it in bait. That makes it hard at times to get pigs to eat enough to kill them, so the "kill rate" isn't as high as would be desired. Warfarin essentially has no taste. It is easy to put in bait, because there is nothing you really have to mask. That is why is has been used for rat poison for many years. It has a delayed effect, so like a mouse, a pig can eat a smaller amount over multiple days and it still be lethal.
 

bluemarlin

Senior Member
It's such a serious problem, this is the answer.

Anyone have a better idea?
You can go up in a helicopter and fire at them until your barrel gets too hot to shoot.
Hunt them day and night with all the coolest gear and it doesn't put a dent in the population.

This extermination plan didn't come together over some notes on a bar napkin between a few upset farmers.
...and most everyone you ask would say the exact same thing, I don't like the idea of poison in the woods.
That's a no brainer.
It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
 
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