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Cutting his way out at Ft Donaldson?
think further south
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Brice Crossroads?
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Okay I went and cheated. Wrong crossroads.
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Where was Forrest when he told his men to fight the dyanks on "both fronts"


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Brice Crossroads?
Here is a link to information on the small battlefield that is supported by the local folks without state or federal money.

http://www.parkerscrossroads.com/
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Yeah. Like I said wrong crossroads. Parker Crossroads, not Brice Crossroads. Brice was the one that was called his greatest victory.
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If Gen Forrest had been allowed to assist in the Atlanta Campaign things may have turned out differently. If he were in charge at Missionary Ridge the yanks would not have had a dress parade below the Rebs without dodging lead, not admired from afar as was Bragg's approach. Bragg lost half his cannon right there.
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If Gen Forrest had been allowed to assist in the Atlanta Campaign things may have turned out differently. If he were in charge at Missionary Ridge the yanks would not have had a dress parade below the Rebs without dodging lead, not admired from afar as was Bragg's approach. Bragg lost half his cannon right there.
I agree. Folks may not have liked his methods but he got the job done.

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I liked "Old Baldy"
Yes sir!
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Old 10-16-2015, 04:58 PM
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Who is this guy?
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:20 PM
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Looks like Gen Wofford of Habersham County, Ga. to me.
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Looks kinda like Joseph Wheeler to me
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Looks kinda like Joseph Wheeler to me
Its not lil' Joe, but if it is Wofford I think he surrendered the last organized Confederate soldiers East of the MS in Kingston Ga long after the war had ended.
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Its not lil' Joe, but if it is Wofford I think he surrendered the last organized Confederate soldiers East of the MS in Kingston Ga long after the war had ended.
It is our General Wofford.
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Old 10-18-2015, 09:45 AM
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Well nobody is posting questions. I think its westcobbdog's turn.

Who is this fellow?





Not to be confused with this fellow.



Hint: They were at Olustee. No looking at the photo info names. Google if you must. Bonus for this fellow who was also there.

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Old 10-18-2015, 09:31 PM
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First gent looks like Gen Bate of TN.
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First gent looks like Gen Bate of TN.
Not Bate. He commanded a brigade of the 6th Georgia Infantry detached from the ANV that was involved in Olustee. He was the "real" and veteran commander of the battle, not the other unseasoned fellow that has the credit as commander. Born in Monroe, Georgia. Rank: Major General. He was the 49th Governor of Georgia and two term US Georgia Senator. He died in office.
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Old 10-19-2015, 09:42 PM
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Gen Taliferro?(sp)
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Old 10-19-2015, 09:45 PM
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Great pics, it ain't Gen T. I am afraid.
First two Reb Generals look younger.
Third Reb I don't think I have ever seen before.
Bad at guessing yanks.
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I'm at a loss.
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First two photos are of the same fellow. Third photo is different fellow. Last fellow is a Federal.

Okay. The first is Major General Alfred H. Colquitt who was the veteran and real commander of Olustee (first two photos). The second fellow is Brigadier General Joe (Joseph) Finegan who is credited with being the commander and was overall commander (third photo). The third fellow is Federal Brigadier General Truman Seymour who was driven back to Jacksonville (last photo).

It is strange to me why a Brigadier would have command over a Major General but I am guessing its because of Finegan's status (attorney, politician, lumber mill operator, slave owner and railroad builder in Florida) more than his rank and his charge over the FL troops. As far as I know it was Finegan's only battle. It is obvious to me who the real commander was in stopping the Federal advance though from what I have read on Olustee.

The battle opened with GA and FL cavalry hammering at Seymour's flanks as his troops moved forward. Then when the cavalry pulled back, his troops got hit with a heavy railroad mortar smashing all those Pine trees into splinters. Then his troops ran smack into all that GA and FL infantry.
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Old 10-20-2015, 09:34 AM
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The hairdo's thru me off!
Some of General Colquitt's peeps are up here in Marietta Ga.
As you mentioned Finegan's social and economic status played into it as well.
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Old 10-20-2015, 10:20 AM
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Yall are really puzzling me with all the pics lately, but I am learning more about the war and I appreciate it !!

Here for a short entertainment break is a video about one of the witness trees at Gettysburg.

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Some of General Colquitt's peeps are up here in Marietta Ga.
As you mentioned Finegan's social and economic status played into it as well.
I gave the short and condensed version of the battle. It actually lasted over three days. The first day was the cavalry action. The second day was the mortaring and running into the FL infantry and the GA infantry disembarking from the train and moving into position. The third day was a continuing of the second day only now both FL and GA infantry. Seymour was determined to cut the rail line and march on Tallahassee. To me it should have seemed to him that Beauregard (the overall commander of the Southeast in Charleston) and Milton (FL Governor) were just as determined to stop him given the strength of Southern forces he was running into but Seymour might have been even more reluctant to disengage and risk a rout. But he got driven from the battlefield anyway regardless. No attempt was made to finish Seymour off as he pulled back to Jacksonville. Finegan has always been maligned for not pressing on against Seymour. Finishing off Seymour was not the goal. Keeping the rail line open and protecting Tallahassee was the goal. So I cannot fault Finegan for not pressing on.

Consider also the geography and disposition of troops and you can see that Seymour was at a disadvantage from the beginning. His Federal troops had to march from Jacksonville all the way to Olustee to get to the rail head so they were not fresh. The FL troops did have to march from their staging areas to the rail head but were in position and entrenchments well ahead of the Federals at Olustee but the GA troops rode the train to the rail head so for the most part the Southern troops were fresh and rested. In addition to troops and cavalry, the railroad also afforded the movement and platform for mortars and artillery. If I do not recall about some aspects of the battle then they were most likely not significant to the outcome of the battle. I do not recall reading about Seymour's artillery so it most likely did not play a significant role. I don't recall about his cavalry either so it did not play a significant role or it was blunted given the large GA and FL cavalry and infantry units he was facing. I say blunted because I am not sure (been a long time since I read) if his cavalry was thrown against the FL infantry and blunted on the first or second day (seems like it but I'm not sure). I am just really not sure about the Federal cavalry action if any since it has been a while since I read about the battle. I do not like Wikipathetica's version of the battle or order of battle. There was far more to the battle than it lists and some of it is inaccurate. Read "Confederate Florida: The Road to Olustee" by William H. Nulty. I need to get a copy myself. LOL Although its true that Seymour had been used to facing FL militia and probably thought he was facing militia but what he ran into at Olustee were seasoned veteran regular troops.
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Name the battle which had the third highest federal casualty % in a battle in the whole civil war at 27%, hint it was in Fl.
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Name the battle which had the third highest federal casualty % in a battle in the whole civil war at 27%, hint it was in Fl.
The Federals lost about 34% of their troops at Olustee and it was the second bloodiest battle of the war for them. That's about 265 out of 1000. I don't know if it was the third highest casualty rate or not but the Federal losses were the result of fixed entrenched positioning or prepared fighting positions. The GA and FL infantry moved from those initial fixed positions forward to drive the Federals from the field or maybe I should say from the Pine forest. It like a lot battles fought late in the war (think of Cold Harbor) used entrenchments and was the forerunner of what was to come in the trenches of WWI.
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