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Old 10-03-2017, 10:10 AM
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This proclamation and warning was issued on this topic back in 1995.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1995/11/t...world?lang=eng

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We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize his or her divine destiny as an heir of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalms 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, to teach them to love and serve one another, to observe the commandments of God and to be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.

The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.
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This proclamation and warning was issued on this topic back in 1995.

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1995/11/t...world?lang=eng
I read that the LDS recently reiterated this position.
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Then we can agree that spiritual beings have gender? Such as Father and Son? But there was no female gendered spirits in Heaven before creation unless the LDS has it pegged correctly.
Hard to believe we didn't need a female until Eve and/or Mary.

What about Mary? What about us? Can we pre-exist as gendered spirits like God and his Son did?

I'm not sure scripture answers these questions that I ponder. Maybe Joseph Smith and the early Catholic leaders pondered these same question pertaining to the the Father, the Son, and Mother Mary as well.

In closing, it's hard to dismiss gender from Christianity. Even before creation.
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It's funny how we band together when we have a common belief but think the other foolish when we don't.
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Then we can agree that spiritual beings have gender? Such as Father and Son? But there was no female gendered spirits in Heaven before creation unless the LDS has it pegged correctly.
Hard to believe we didn't need a female until Eve and/or Mary.

What about Mary? What about us? Can we pre-exist as gendered spirits like God and his Son did?

I'm not sure scripture answers these questions that I ponder. Maybe Joseph Smith and the early Catholic leaders pondered these same question pertaining to the the Father, the Son, and Mother Mary as well.

In closing, it's hard to dismiss gender from Christianity. Even before creation.
I'm not sure you are looking to scripture ( written Word ) or Jesus ( living Word ) to answer your questions you have.
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Back to the Nashville Statement. My problem with it is not so much what it contains but more so what it leaves out. Why highlight only LGBTQ issues? Most of the Church lost the moral high ground when it decided to turn a blind eye to fornication and adultery many years ago.
Maybe. Maybe not, but I don't seem to recall any fornicators, adulterers, or churches for that matter, taking the stand that fornication and adultery aren't sins.
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Back to the Nashville Statement. My problem with it is not so much what it contains but more so what it leaves out. Why highlight only LGBTQ issues? Most of the Church lost the moral high ground when it decided to turn a blind eye to fornication and adultery many years ago.
https://cbmw.org/nashville-statement

Article 2
WE AFFIRM that God’s revealed will for all people is chastity outside of marriage and fidelity within marriage.

WE DENY that any affections, desires, or commitments ever justify sexual intercourse before or outside marriage; nor do they justify any form of sexual immorality.


Article 9
WE AFFIRM that sin distorts sexual desires by directing them away from the marriage covenant and toward sexual immorality— a distortion that includes both heterosexual and homosexual immorality.

WE DENY that an enduring pattern of desire for sexual immorality justifies sexually immoral behavior.
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