Codex Sinaiticus

bullethead said:

Another scholar, Joseph Wheless charged that Eusebius was one of the most prolific forgers and liars of his age in the church, and a great romancer; in his hair-raising histories of the holy Martyrs, he assures us "that on some occasions the bodies of the martyrs who had been devoured by wild beasts, upon the beasts being strangled, were found alive in their stomachs, even after having been fully digested"! (FORGERY IN CHRISTIANITY: A Documented Record of the Foundations of the Christian Religion, 1930; quoted Gibbon, History, Ch. 37; Lardner, iv, p. 91; Diegesis, p. 272)

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WaltL1 said:

That's just not accurate.
The basic idea promoted here, based on the available information, is that "Christianity" was "X", "Y" and "Z".
The council decided "we are going with "Z" and used political and physical power to remove "X" and "Y" from the game.

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1gr8bldr said:

Many writings were lost due to the banning of opposing writings. Burnt, gone forever.

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bullethead said:

You should read up on them a little more. There is more information out there.

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bullethead said:

Another scholar, Joseph Wheless charged that Eusebius was one of the most prolific forgers and liars of his age in the church, and a great romancer; in his hair-raising histories of the holy Martyrs, he assures us "that on some occasions the bodies of the martyrs who had been devoured by wild beasts, upon the beasts being strangled, were found alive in their stomachs, even after having been fully digested"! (FORGERY IN CHRISTIANITY: A Documented Record of the Foundations of the Christian Religion, 1930; quoted Gibbon, History, Ch. 37; Lardner, iv, p. 91; Diegesis, p. 272)

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bullethead said:

We praise the virtually unchanged state of all future copies off of these 4th century ones, but nobody can produce any earlier originals to compare them with.

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centerpin fan said:

I've read more than my fair share about C&E, and I've posted about them in this forum ad nauseum. They're just not the criminal masterminds you make them out to be.

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centerpin fan said:

Rather than dealing with each of these quotes separately, I'll go back to one of your previous posts and ask some simple questions:


Is the Warren Commission report universally accepted?

Does everybody believe the official 9/11 story?

Are they just testing stealth planes out at Area 51?


Pick almost any major point in history, and I'm sure you can find an alternative history or conspiracy theory about it.

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centerpin fan said:

... but we can read Bible quotes from ante-Nicene writers, and they are no different than what I read in my Bible.

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centerpin fan said:

OK, so what was X and Y?

I've asked this question at least a half dozen times before, and the response is always the same:

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The quote is from a satirical work of John Bale, a sixteenth century English playwright, entitled The Pageant of Popes, as follows:

Leo the tenth was a Florentine borne, of the noble house of Medicea, and called ere he were Pope John Medices. He being Deacon and Cardinal of Saint Maries, contrarie to all hope was chosen to succede Julius. He beinge diligetly from his youth trained up in learning under learned schoolmaisters, and especially one Angelus Politianus, did afterward greatly favour learned men. When he was but. xiv. yeres olde he was made cardinall by Innocentius the. viii. and at the yeres of xxxviii. he obtained the papacie. This Leo was of his owne nature a gentil and quiet person: but often times ruled by those that were cruell and contencious men, whom he suffered to do in many matters according to their insolent wil. He addicting himselfe to nicenesse, and takinge ease did pamper his fleshe in diverse vanities and carnal pleasures: At banqueting he delighted greatly in wine and musike: but had no care of preaching the Gospell, nay was rather a cruell persecutour of those that began then, as Luther and other to reveale the light thereof: for on a time when a cardinall Bembus did move a question out of the Gospell, the Pope gave him a very contemptuouse aunswere saiying: All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to us and our companie: Sleidan faith he sente letters and bulles of pardons into all nations for suche as woulde give money for them, the effectes of his pardons were diverse, some especially to sell licence to eate butter, chese, egges, milke, and fleshe upon forbidden dates, and for this purpose he sent divers treasurers into al coutreis, and namelye one Samson a monke of Millaine into Germany, who by these pardons gathered out of sundrie places such hewge sommes of money that the worlde wondered at it, for he offered in one day to geve for the Papacie above an hundred and twentie thousand duckates

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Israel said:

I found this, not to vindicate a pope, (he answers or will answer for himself) but simply in response to what was posted as "verbatim":


It is found here: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message605817/pg1

I noticed that Saxon on another thread posted this alleged quote from Pope Leo X, variously rendered as "It has served us well, this myth of Christ", or "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"

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