SemperFiDawg
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As usual I have no idea what you are saying nor how it pertains to ...........well quiet frankly, anything.
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As usual I have no idea what you are saying nor how it pertains to ...........well quiet frankly, anything.
gemcgrew
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The second part of your statement renders the first part meaningless.
You may never be enabled to see it. You may never be enabled to recognize your own contradictions.
You may be enabled to continually flop around.
SemperFiDawg
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I could ask you to attempt to defend your statements, but I get the distinct impression it would be a waste of your effort and my time, so i won't.
Artfuldodger
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Banjo Picker is on a roll;
"God's power gives each one "all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue" (2 Pet. 1:3-10)."
"God's power gives each one "all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue" (2 Pet. 1:3-10)."
egomaniac247
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So in other words, rather than having an adult discussion with a fellow christian, you choose to not answer any of the questions, defer the person to google, and be snarky in your response.
I'm sure that's exactly what our God had in mind when a Christians asks another for clarity.
gemcgrew
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How can you be sure? Didn't you admit to being "legitimately confused"?
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SFD, I think for whatever reason we often find ourselves (you and I) at an impasse. The fault may indeed be with me, God knows.
A man may operate in that place where he is "surprised" to discover another one is a believer...perhaps even as Jesus marvelled at the Centurion's faith...if one can receive that.
But God, the Father? Is there anything unknown to Him, anyone unknown to Him? Jesus deferred to His knowing in all things, about all things, confident the Father, above all knew His own among all, and it is of those Jesus speaks when He says "all that the Father gives me".
Even when speaking to Pilate Jesus asked "do you say this of yourself...or hear it from others?" Jesus well knew, no one could know who He was apart from the Father's work of enlightening by the Spirit. (As with Simon Peter)
That, in some sense is what I was getting at.
The Father always knows "His own". And He has given, without exception, each and every to Jesus..."I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand."
A man may operate in that place where he is "surprised" to discover another one is a believer...perhaps even as Jesus marvelled at the Centurion's faith...if one can receive that.
But God, the Father? Is there anything unknown to Him, anyone unknown to Him? Jesus deferred to His knowing in all things, about all things, confident the Father, above all knew His own among all, and it is of those Jesus speaks when He says "all that the Father gives me".
Even when speaking to Pilate Jesus asked "do you say this of yourself...or hear it from others?" Jesus well knew, no one could know who He was apart from the Father's work of enlightening by the Spirit. (As with Simon Peter)
That, in some sense is what I was getting at.
The Father always knows "His own". And He has given, without exception, each and every to Jesus..."I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand."
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Sorry, I am inexperienced in having adult conversations with those who think that a to suggest "diligent, prayerful study" is to "defer the person to google".
If you have questions that reflect prior personal spiritual effort through prayer and study, those questions sometimes generate a serious discussion here, usually with elements that are difficult to view as serious.
If you are inexperienced in spiritual study of scripture (that means dedicating as much time as God requires), I would suggest that Matthew 5:17 through the end of the chapter as a good place that relates to your previous post.
SemperFiDawg
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An impass is mostly associated with a disagreement. It's not that I agree or disagree with you. It's that I can't comprehend your post, and I won't bother taking the time to attempt to decipher them just to accommodate your eccentricity.
I tend to agree with C.S. Lewis when he said something to the effect of "If a man can't explain something clearly, in simple terms, he doesn't understand what he's speaking of very well. That is how I feel about your post.
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Artfuldodger
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I think this is what Israel was saying;
When Jesus came to that place, He looked up and said, "Zacchaeus, hurry down, for I must stay at your house today."
I'll admit, I too have a hard time following him sometimes.
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gemcgrew
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"He is still sovern over creation start to finish, however each individual has free will to accept or reject him."
This is an unintelligible statement. Just because you can say something, does not make it logical, meaningful.
Study it and figure it out. Look what you were able to accomplish in one complete sentence.
Absolutely nothing.
gemcgrew
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SemperFiDawg
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Oh brother
Not only an automaton, but one that's stuck repeating himself. Well I guess you win. Congrats. You just disproved the theory that a being is capable of thought, will and action.
Gonna leave a lot of theologians and philosophers wondering just what Image of God we are made in, but that's beside the point.
Again. Congrats.
P.S. You may want to start studying up on the whole, "God the author of evil" argument the Athiest among others, are bound to bludgeon you with now that you've disproved free-will. Oh! Sorry. Forgot. You're an automaton (i.e. incapable of independent thought); they aren't.
hobbs27
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Oh brother
Well I guess you win. Congrats. You just disproved the theory that a being is capable of thought, will and action.
Gonna leave a lot of theologians and philosophers wondering just what Image of God we are made in, but that's beside the point.
Again. Congrats.
Some good advice.. Maybe.
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SemperFiDawg
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Calvinist? Don't know it. None in my Bible, only Christians.
hobbs27
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gemcgrew
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"He is still sovern over creation start to finish, however each individual has free will to accept or reject him."Oh brother
Well I guess you win. Congrats. You just disproved the theory that a being is capable of thought, will and action.
Gonna leave a lot of theologians and philosophers wondering just what Image of God we are made in, but that's beside the point.
Again. Congrats.
P.S. You may want to start studying up on the whole, "God the author of evil" argument the Athiest among others, are bound to bludgeon you with now that you've disproved free-will. Oh! Sorry. Forgot. You're an automaton (i.e. incapable of independent thought); they aren't.
All that effort and this is still an unintelligible statement.
Perhaps somebody with more patience than me will point it out to you.
Nice attempt at deflection though.
gemcgrew
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The majority of Calvinist that I converse with, are just as confused as you two... in regards to this matter.There's none here either.
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