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Old 08-24-2017, 08:50 AM
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People everywhere every day are denying, rejecting, blaspheming, scoffing, ridiculing, and hating God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.(Rom.1)They are not being drawn to Him. He does not draw all people to Himself. This is where your concept of it gets derailed.
It's not a universal call.
OK, it's not a universal call, I can accept that.
What I can't seem to Relay to you is, we agreed that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is denying the calling. So those that are not called aren't even in the equation.

It's only those that are called that can deny the calling, and turning away from the drawing of the Spirit, to deny the Spirit is calling you is an unpardonable sin.

My point is simple. There's no way you can say blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is denying the drawing of the spirit and stay within the rules of Calvinism. If you agree with me that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is denying the drawing, then your on your way out of Tulip.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:48 AM
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OK, it's not a universal call, I can accept that.
What I can't seem to Relay to you is, we agreed that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is denying the calling. So those that are not called aren't even in the equation.

It's only those that are called that can deny the calling, and turning away from the drawing of the Spirit, to deny the Spirit is calling you is an unpardonable sin.

My point is simple. There's no way you can say blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is denying the drawing of the spirit and stay within the rules of Calvinism. If you agree with me that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is denying the drawing, then your on your way out of Tulip.
I understand what you're saying. I guess I've been using the term "calling" too loosely.(I thought we were on the same page)
In Rom.1, there is an indication that all have the command to honor and reverence their Creator. It's been preached throughout the whole world, and is even obvious through nature. None are without excuse. But yet, some still do not, because of their hard heart.

This is not the same as the "holy calling" of the Spirit.(which we have both already spoken of).
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:14 AM
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I haven't been following the drifts of this tread, and I have a minute... so...

I would think that conforming to a calling would require the knowledge of God's will...to some important extent.

God is the informer of the knowledge of His will through the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit informs of what it is Christ Jesus is all about or His purpose for us through Jesus.

It is possible to know of God but not His will,--- as it is possible to NOT know Jesus or the Holy Spirit provided by God both provided before and after Jesus--yet know there is a God.

So to kick the Holy Spirit to the curb, means a knowledge of the will of God for you and for mankind and how we are to carry ourselves as God ministers to all-- this purposely ignored... for whatever reasons.

To kick God With US to the curb is kind of dumb thing to do--especially when one knows what a blessing is theirs and to all those willing to heed His call. (Esau)

So to sin against the Holy Spirit is to discount the teachings of the Holy Spirit and the will of God, to go directly opposed to it and yet being intimate with the Holy Spirit, be it through the many means God uses to walk with man.

Maybe... the account of Lucifer the fallen one of no repair, is an example of how not to collect $200.00 and how not to pass go.

Or for example, when we set ourselves as the judges of a person or of other peoples and we would deny them dignity basic and the dignity God gives to all mankind and to all individuals, from the sweetest saint to the foulest sinner, that is we do this in God's place or we rob God of his judgement abilities, appropriate them as our own, then we are walking a ship's plank... and if we walk far enough on it... we fall... and the ship continues and leaves us to tread... and treading has an end game. etc..



Pass me not, O gentle Savior,
Hear my humble cry;
While on others Thou art calling,
Do not pass me by.

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Savior, Savior,
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Hear my humble cry;
While on others Thou art calling,
Do not pass me by.

Let me at Thy throne of mercy
Find a sweet relief,
Kneeling there in deep contrition;
Help my unbelief.

[Chorus]

Trusting only in Thy merit,
Would I seek Thy face;
Heal my wounded, broken spirit,
Save me by Thy grace.

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Thou the Spring of all my comfort,
More than life to me,
Whom have I on earth beside Thee?
Whom in heav'n but Thee?
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Old 09-03-2017, 02:48 AM
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Are we a sinner when we are born, when we are 3 years old?
Yes, unless a child can be born neither Jew nor Gentile. They are all under sin. (Romans 3:9)
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Putting all theology aside, I believe that any person who calls out to Christ(in repentance) will be saved.
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No such thing as an "unpardonable sin".

Through Reconciliation (confession) and
heart felt Penance ALL sin is washed away.

The thing is not to die in a state of Grave or Mortal
sin, as opposed to Venial sin. Although not good
there is a big difference.

Upon death, Mortal sin removes you from the presence
of God. Venial does not.
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No such thing as an "unpardonable sin".

Through Reconciliation (confession) and
heart felt Penance ALL sin is washed away.

The thing is not to die in a state of Grave or Mortal
sin, as opposed to Venial sin. Although not good
there is a big difference.

Upon death, Mortal sin removes you from the presence
of God. Venial does not.
How would one go about assuring himself that he doesn't die in a state of grave or mortal sin?

I was thinking that maybe if someone died or took the place of one's grave or mortal sins that one could obtain assurance.
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How would one go about assuring himself that he doesn't die in a state of grave or mortal sin?

I was thinking that maybe if someone died or took the place of one's grave or mortal sins that one could obtain assurance.
I've been studying the lesson on Fox this morning about the relationship of natural calamity and what Jesus said about it re: Irma.

This is what I understood:

a) Natural calamity does not purposely visit sinners to rub them out.
b) Unless you repent you will be rubbed out.

So... repentance is not a verb perhaps. Perhaps it is not so much about doing something in the way of salvation. Perhaps it is a noun. That is, being repentant one will not perish. So perhaps repentance is a way of being and being repentant is perhaps simply the Christian way of being with God to the degree of one's faith.

To be repentant is to see where once one was blind. To see is to be repentant and to maintain one's relationship with God once gained or to cleave to the bliss of eternal life.

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2To this He replied, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered this fate? 3No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower of Siloam collapsed on them: Do you think that they were more sinful than all the others living in Jerusalem?…

So to live in a state of mortal sin is simply perhaps living in sin or in the wake of sin that kills or infirms one's relationship with The Way, The Truth and The Life.

I think that scripture relates that only one kills-- no assurance, no insurance, no gobermint bailout..
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I missed you yesterday and I miss you today. I suspect that you are ministering to the sheep today... And may the Kingdom be with you and yours as you board up the windows of those who have no wood and no nails. God bless bros.
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The same faith that keeps one from perishing is the same faith that pleads for the salvation of the one who appears as "other". This faith is found in zealousness. The ruthless disregard for one's own appearing.
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The same faith that keeps one from perishing is the same faith that pleads for the salvation of the one who appears as "other". This faith is found in zealousness. The ruthless disregard for one's own appearing.

Ah yes... but what joy in heaven there is for a saint that repents!

I think that perhaps if we can't reciprocate the love given to us via the Holy Spirit because we chose not to, or disregard it and proceed with the opposite course then we are asking for conviction and if we disregard this correction we are not to a good place...
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Ah yes... but what joy in heaven there is for a saint that repents!

I think that perhaps if we can't reciprocate the love given to us via the Holy Spirit because we chose not to, or disregard it and proceed with the opposite course then we are asking for conviction and if we disregard this correction we are not to a good place...
Amen.

Jesus never said that the fellow turned over to the tormentors for refusing to forgive a small debt after being forgiven the largest of them remained in the place of hopelessness. But there would be an exacting.

Something would be used to strip away to "the uttermost farthing" what prevents from seeing mercy rightly as our chief exchange as brothers.

To find in Jesus plea "Forgive them Father, they know not what they do" ...ourselves.
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So is suicide an unpardonanle sin? I mean the person cant ask for forgiveness.....
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So is suicide an unpardonanle sin? I mean the person cant ask for forgiveness.....
My belief: suicide is not the straw that broke the camels back. Those who love the Lord will be forgiven their suicide. My personal belief.
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