If you're not a member of the NRA, you might want to be now

bonecollector123 said:

I don't think waiting 3 days if your under 21 is a restriction on your rights. If you don't have a CWP you have to wait on a handgun purchase. I have a 17 yr old son and spend a lot of time around him and his friends and I wouldn't hand over any gun to any of them. The kids today are not as mentally mature as generations before them. It's that simple, I would not support any restriction on any gun at any level to any adult that is legally allowed to own one. It's just my opinion. I also believe if any of our children were killed in something like this we may see things differently.

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100% agree

MYRX said:

I hunt and have since 1977. Yes our 2nd Amendment rights are being threatened. I strongly believe in the right to bear arms. But see no need to own AR15 assault weapons! Sorry if that offends you. I have taken game all across America and have an impressive trophy room. A bolt action did it all! Stupid acts of hate, are resulting in our potential loss of gun rights. Most done with assault weapons. I have a weapons carry license. I own several pistols and have them ready for protection in my home, etc. I see no need for automatic weapons. As an operations manager at a large plant, those employees that sit around reading "solider of fortune " are questionable and leave a lot to be desired. Again just like you want to protect the 2nd amendment as I do, I am voicing my right to free speech. Sometimes, the NRA needs to give an inch! That's why I dropped my membership. It is too easy for a nut to obtain a weapon, and yes I don't have all the solutions to control it. But we have a problem in this country. The idiots shooting up schools and churches are your enemies, and helping the left side take away your rights. So why shouldn't the NRA at least do something to help solve the problem!

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You might have the right to post this, but are part of the problem. You think that any shooting, especially schools or churches are the guns fault? If you have bought a gun in resent years ,you would know that they are not so easy to get ,as you so irresponsibly say they are.
You dropped your NRA membership because you say they won't give an inch? WE, AND I SAY WE! Because we are the NRA. The members that you have abandoned. Your ignorance is the very reason liberal socialist keep trying to holler about hunting gun and they are not hunting guns. Second Amendment is not about hunting. Read it.

bonecollector123 said:

I don't think waiting 3 days if your under 21 is a restriction on your rights. If you don't have a CWP you have to wait on a handgun purchase. I have a 17 yr old son and spend a lot of time around him and his friends and I wouldn't hand over any gun to any of them. The kids today are not as mentally mature as generations before them. It's that simple, I would not support any restriction on any gun at any level to any adult that is legally allowed to own one. It's just my opinion. I also believe if any of our children were killed in something like this we may see things differently.

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If they are not as mentally immature as we were at that age then whos fault is that? My kids were in school during Columbine and Sandy Hook. My grandkids are in school now. They have all grown up around firearms and were taught at a young age. My son shot his first AR when he was 16 and I knew I could trust him with it. That is the problem today. There are too many people who will not teach their children anything about anything. Say, like our parents or grandparents did. So you think that if our kids went through something like this we would feel differently? My convictions would still be the same. I blame people, not things for actions taken. Like not being parents, letting the government and Hollywood raise their children, guys getting a women pregnant but bails when a baby is in the picture, medicating kids as if they were lab rats, Shootem up movies, Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, no respect for parents ,or any other authority because time out does not work.

Now if it takes an age change to do it and if teens are so immature at 18, then we need to change the legal age for everything back to 21. No picking and choosing. Across the board. No waiting periods, that will not do anything. It does work, but NICS needs an upgrade and law enforcement needs to take reports/warnings seriously. We need qualified persons to be in law enforcement, and to be respected for what they do if done right. Stop just filling a position. Mandating does not mean someone has the mental fortitude to do the job. Stop blaming everybody. Remington right now is being sued for liabilities over Sandy Hook, because the shooter did have a Bushmaster, which I do not sure he used, but was in his vehicle. Intervention for troubled kids who shows signs of doing something stupid. It is all not that hard.
Something is to be said about the good old days, especially the way a lot of us were raised. Maybe it is time to go back to some, if not most of those way.

bonecollector123 said:

I don't think waiting 3 days if your under 21 is a restriction on your rights. If you don't have a CWP you have to wait on a handgun purchase. I have a 17 yr old son and spend a lot of time around him and his friends and I wouldn't hand over any gun to any of them. The kids today are not as mentally mature as generations before them. It's that simple, I would not support any restriction on any gun at any level to any adult that is legally allowed to own one. It's just my opinion. I also believe if any of our children were killed in something like this we may see things differently.

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So then, by your reasoning, waiting a year wouldn't be an infringement on your rights.
Who determines what is "reasonable"?
That is the issue. Rights should not be limited by anyone. Privileges are limited by rules. Not rights.
By an extension of your reasoning your "right" to life can be limited for the good of the state. I know it's an extream example but how do you keep the abuses in check?
The old slippery slope argument is as valid today as it was 50 years ago.
People who would see you enslaved for their vision of a new world order do not value you rights. And those who do not see the danger will not realize it until its to late.

swamp hunter said:

I can see it now..Kids on Skate Boards locked and loaded...

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There was a time in this country when that , or something very similar, would have been a common sight.
Bike riders carried pistols to protect themselves from dogs. Most adolesant boys wore boots with a jackknife pocket. Young country boys were given guns and ammunition with the expectation that they would shoot the eavening meal.
That time was only a few generations ago. What has changed? Why can we, as individuals, not be trusted with simple responsibilities?

It's a Hard Call for sure...You were LE , down far South here , My Son is too. Todays City kids are not raised like we did back with a full family and chores.
Parents are digging for Gold all day and Buffy is playing Mortal Combat.
Times with kids have changed , sad.
If our upbringing was the same as ..Back Then I'd be all for Jr. with an Auto 12.
I carried a 20 gauge when I was 12..all over.
It's not the Firearm it's Society at large.

swamp hunter said:

It's a Hard Call for sure...You were LE , down far South here , My Son is too. Todays City kids are not raised like we did back with a full family and chores.
Parents are digging for Gold all day and Buffy is playing Mortal Combat.
Times with kids have changed , sad.
If our upbringing was the same as ..Back Then I'd be all for Jr. with an Auto 12.
I carried a 20 gauge when I was 12..all over.
It's not the Firearm it's Society at large.

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Admitted. Society is messed up.
But is the solution to follow the paper down the toilet?
Or do we do the right thing and cling to the hope that the pendulum will swing back to reality?
I have yet to see where compromise with the devil has worked out to the good.

Proud members of NRA here!!! I was in a hunting club back in the 90’s and one of the requirements was to be an NRA Member. Been one since.

I’ve taught my kids how to use guns and be safe. I took that responsibility rather than depending on the govt telling me how and when.

swamp hunter said:

Buffy is playing Mortal Combat.

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To me, this is the biggest problem out there facing our youth. It's not so much that games are violent it's that they are realistically violent and at some point after watching something that looks real get killed or mutilated over and over again, you get de-sensitized to that action. I didn't try to stop a bullet like Superman when I was a kid, but I did put on a cape and mask and parade around like I was Batman and beat up my little brother saying "take that Joker!!" You see enough of something over and over again it no longer effects you like it might someone else....ask a doctor who sees patients and trauma on a daily basis, seeing the human body undressed has a totally different effect on him/her then it would on one of us, same for first responders. If these can happen to adults imagine what they do to a child who spends hours upon hours playing these types of games. Now add social media to the mix, now you are not just dealing with your classmates during school, you are dealing with them 24/7 and if you are one of the unlucky/unpopular kid then you can imagine what they may have to be dealing with on a daily basis. Put the two of them together and I think it's a deadly cocktail for some minds that have not quite reached maturity. That being said you don't see any Moms Demand Action or any of the other political groups going after video game makers because that would mean they might actually have to spend time with their kids and/or watch them, it's just easier to have kids go against the NRA rather than a gaming developer, Facebook, Snapchat or Twitter, matter of fact I'm pretty sure if they told students to protest against them they wouldn't do it!! That's why we are all we have and we have to stand united regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the use of the weapon because you might, later on down the road, need those people you don't agree with on your side in an attempt to keep your weapon of choice.

Lilly001 said:

So then, by your reasoning, waiting a year wouldn't be an infringement on your rights.
Who determines what is "reasonable"?
That is the issue. Rights should not be limited by anyone. Privileges are limited by rules. Not rights.
By an extension of your reasoning your "right" to life can be limited for the good of the state. I know it's an extream example but how do you keep the abuses in check?
The old slippery slope argument is as valid today as it was 50 years ago.
People who would see you enslaved for their vision of a new world order do not value you rights. And those who do not see the danger will not realize it until its to late.

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I don't agree at all, there is already a 3 day wait on handguns. I do not agree that making a teenager wait 3 days to purchase a gun is going to violate anyones right to own a firearm. I agree that it's a slippery slope anytime the government is involved but that ship has sailed. But the fact of the matter is most kids are not responsible enough to own a gun. I had my first gun at 8 yrs old and my kids were raised around guns and shooting safety but I would bet most kids were not. We all take a test to drive a car make them take a safety course and wait 3 days I don't see what the harm would be. I didn't post to argue with anyone it's just my opinion. God Bless

bonecollector123 said:

I don't agree at all, there is already a 3 day wait on handguns. I do not agree that making a teenager wait 3 days to purchase a gun is going to violate anyones right to own a firearm. I agree that it's a slippery slope anytime the government is involved but that ship has sailed. But the fact of the matter is most kids are not responsible enough to own a gun. I had my first gun at 8 yrs old and my kids were raised around guns and shooting safety but I would bet most kids were not. We all take a test to drive a car make them take a safety course and wait 3 days I don't see what the harm would be. I didn't post to argue with anyone it's just my opinion. God Bless

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You agree it's a slippery slope but you think an additional law limiting our rights is reasonable?
Listen to yourself......
God bless us all.

bonecollector123 said:

But the fact of the matter is most kids are not responsible enough to own a gun. I had my first gun at 8 yrs old and my kids were raised around guns and shooting safety but I would bet most kids were not.

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Thank goodness you and your daddy didn't have that feeling that most kids are not responsible back then or maybe you wouldn't have the rights you currently have. The fact of the matter is you, like the media, are lumping all kids into this mold of being irresponsible and you can't do that, especially when it comes to the rights of individuals. Imagine if this all was happening when you were a kid, and it could have been; however, due to the lack of available information back then the news stories didn't get out like they do today, we didn't have news stations running 24/7 looking/begging for news stories to be able to run. Go back to the days of 3 channels and 1 hour worth of evening news and think about how little you would be hearing on a daily basis about what's going on in the world today. But because people do get that news today along with all the "experts" telling them how to feel, they jump on those bandwagons and stomp all over peoples rights. Give up nothing, not one inch.

My dad showed us at a early age how to safely handle guns. My point was and still is MOST kids do not have that today. I am not lumping anyone into a group, that's why I said most kids. As I posted earlier I am not for banning any gun or taking anyone's rights. I simply said in my opinion a 3 day wait for anyone 18 years old that wants to buy a gun wouldn't be a bad Idea and I don't see how it could hurt anyone. Why is it a big deal for a 18 year kid to wait 3 days to buy a rifle or shotgun but it don't bother anyone to wait 3 days to buy a hand gun unless you have a CCW. You guy are being a one sided on this. I cant change laws or make new ones so Im not sure why your getting testy with me. You guys are worried about a 18 year old kids rights like it's going to effect yours. What about the rights of the 17 kids that were just sitting in a class room minding their own business do they not have to right to be safe? That melon head shot one girl 4 times then went back and shot her 5 more times. I am not saying I have the answers but you have to be a little open minded when it comes to kids. I have one in middle school and one in high school and I can't imagine what those families are going through.

Lilly001 said:

You agree it's a slippery slope but you think an additional law limiting our rights is reasonable?
Listen to yourself......
God bless us all.

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If your 18 then yes I think you should wait 3 days if your not then I don't see your point. I think that is more reasonable than raising the age limit to 21 which is what is going to happen. 3 days or 3 years which do you prefer?

What is waiting 3 days going to do? Serious question.

This is all in the name of all kids safety at school, right? How many of these wackjobs went to a gun store, filled out a background check, got approved, bought a gun and ammo, then went and shot up a school?

Again, How is waiting 3 days going to help?

Duff said:

What is waiting 3 days going to do? Serious question.

This is all in the name of all kids safety at school, right? How many of these wackjobs went to a gun store, filled out a background check, got approved, bought a gun and ammo, then went and shot up a school?

Again, How is waiting 3 days going to help?

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I’ve been waiting to see the answer to this myself.

Should 18 year olds be delayed 3 days from joining the service or prohibited until 21? Don’t see where you can be too immature to own a gun but mature enough to make the decision

I wouldn't think the military would just hand 18 yr olds guns either they will be trained and as far as will waiting 3 days doing anything maybe it won't do anything but on the other hand it might give the feds a little more time to look into someone and see if they should have a gun. It's just a thought fellas, something has to be done and it beats the alternative.

NCHillbilly said:

The end goal of this is to ban all firearms. If you don't see that, you are stupid. Plain and simple. If they ban ARs, they will immediately start on handguns. When they are gone, they will start on bolt-action rifles or shotguns. Their goal is no guns. I will not compromise a lick on any of it, because one does not compromise his rights and principles.

Either we have the right to bear arms, or we don't. A watered-down Second Amendment is not the Second Amendment. Plain and simple. If you are not a supporter of the Second Amendment in its full intent (it's not about hunting or target shooting,) then you are my enemy, and you are part of the problem in this country, and I want absolutely nothing to do with you, and consider you to be sub-human scum. Is that plain enough? Freedom is scary to weak people.

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Dang son! I somehow missed this entire thread. Consequences of being on the road a lot. Hillbilly, I agree 100%. The lack of understanding on the workings of simple firearms exhibited on this thread, by those who claim to "support the second amendment but".....is alarming. I can and do appreciate the man's service to this country, but he is sorely misguided on this issue. My AR is not automatic. It's never assaulted anyone, and it won't, unless they show they intend to assault me. Very interesting views on this thread, and it seems that some think they are entitled to their opinion, but the rest of us are not. Interesting.....probably voted for Hillary.....

bonecollector123 said:

I wouldn't think the military would just hand 18 yr olds guns either they will be trained and as far as will waiting 3 days doing anything maybe it won't do anything but on the other hand it might give the feds a little more time to look into someone and see if they should have a gun. It's just a thought fellas, something has to be done and it beats the alternative.

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I do not agree with any restrictions.
If you examine the incident in question ,Parkland, there were numerous laws that if followed would have prevented the tragedy.
There were also questionable training and policy issues that may well have nipped the issues at the start.
So let's give our government another law that they can misinterpret and misapply.
Government is not the friend of the individual. That is why we have the BOR. Fortunately some wise old guys foresaw how government could erode our personal liberties and they took steps to protect us.
Now some want to disregard those protections in the name of an illusion of security.
As B. Franklin said, those people deserve neither security nor liberty.