ambush80
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Until we have completed the exercise I will assume that Jesus rose from the grave. Now what? How can I verify this belief?
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Until we have completed the exercise I will assume that Jesus rose from the grave. Now what? How can I verify this belief?
ambush80
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In order for me to even make this assumption there seem to be many other assumptions I would have to make. Is that OK?
First assumption is that it was possible. How do I prove that?
red neck richie
Senior Member
Eye witness testimony that you automatically discredit. No need in going any further. You believe the eye witness to be lying. I believe they are telling the truth.
matt79brown
Senior Member
You can't prove it. No more than you can prove evolution. It's a choice. Faith=substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
red neck richie
Senior Member
Not hoped for in all cases. But witnessed and discredited. There are no witnesses of evolution but there are witnesses of Jesus. It depends on what you accept as proof. Again up to the individual.
ambush80
Senior Member
https://www.gotquestions.org/recognize-resurrected-Jesus.html
A third instance is when the two disciples on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-35) did not recognize Jesus until He broke bread. How could these two disciples have walked, talked, and eaten with Jesus without recognizing Him? In this instance, it seems that they were supernaturally prevented from recognizing Jesus. Jesus perhaps had taken on a different appearance to keep Himself from being recognized. Why would Jesus have done this? The Bible does not say. Perhaps Jesus “veiled” His identity so the two disciples would truly think through the things Jesus was saying, rather than accepting the teaching blindly, as they likely would have if they had known it was Jesus.
Would you accept this explanation about anyone else?
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
Paul, writing to the jews in Corinth, who had knowledge of the things that had happened, said that Christ rose from the dead, documented the event and told of eye witnesses that could be examined at that time by anyone doubting. The jews didn't investigate as far as we know, and they didn't protest as was their habit when they thought someone was trying to destroy judism. It seems that they accepted as fact what Paul spoke.
Yeah, but.... bias
1 Cor 15:3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6After that, he was seen of over five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep.
7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
Yeah, but.... bias
1 Cor 15:3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6After that, he was seen of over five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep.
7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
Acts 1... Luke writing to Theophilus, who had hired Luke to investigate the happening of that day, said there were infallible proofs that Jesus rose and walked among the jews of Jerusalem.
1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
but.... bias
1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
but.... bias
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
there are lots of documentation outside the Bible also.....
research it and come to your own conclusion...
research it and come to your own conclusion...
ambush80
Senior Member
Like I said. I will believe that Jesus was resurrected. I will now look to confirm or disconfirm this belief. The Bible has obvious problems as a source because of its self fulfilling nature. I will be more compelled by skeptical analysis.
The problem remains that I'm believing in something that goes against everything I know. What other thing in the word does one take that approach about?
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
conflicting statements much?
ambush80
Senior Member
That's right. I'm gonna assume that it happened then try to find things that shows it's true
matt79brown
Senior Member
Careful Ambush, men have done this before and became believers. Intelligent, educated men like yourself.
matt79brown
Senior Member
Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowel circa 1972 is a very interesting compilation of notes prepared for a lecture on "Christianity: Hoax or History?'' With 5000 man hours in digging up info by guys like Doug Wilder - Michigan State University, Phil Edwards- Ohio State University,Ron Lutjens- Bowling Green University, Wayne Trout- Virginia Polytechnic Institute, Brent Nelson- Indiana U, David Shelton-Ohio State, Frank Dickerson- Ohio State,Steve Smith- Virginia Poly, James Davis- Louisiana Polytechnic Institute, Linn Smith North Texas State University, Stick Ustick- Sacramento State University to name a few. Looks at the whole deal intellectually to see if there is enough hard evidence to support the claims. This was put together before the internet age. Resources are endless now. I would love to hear what you think after a couple of months of investigating the subject. Find your own. Some of the best stuff has been written by skeptics after they done a lil' digging into the past!
matt79brown
Senior Member
Lee Strobel was a died in the wool Atheist who set out to disprove the claims of Jesus coming back to life. He has some interesting reads on the subject as well.
ambush80
Senior Member
I'm familiar with Strobel's story and if you are too then you will know that he wasn't compelled by evidence. He had a personal, undescribable revelation; God touched his heart, just like the rest of you.
How can that kind of experience ever be described as unbiased?
red neck richie
Senior Member
So virus mutation in a controlled experiment in a controlled laboratory proves evolution? Btw I don't disagree that things can evolve. Its a survival trait God given. More of an adaptation to survive conditions by the original created being though.
WaltL1
Senior Member
Things evolving = evolution.
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
micro evolution is not = macro evolution
