I agree with Deuceswild they are cool but the price is way high. I purchased a synthetic 7600 pump carbine in 35 rem for a bush gun. I love it. The only complaint I have with the 16.5 barrels is the when you carry it slinged. the barrel is so short it hangs right next to you head. I think you could get a regular on and cut the barrel off much cheaper. I got mine from gunbrokers.com