hobbs27
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so, no followers of the old covenant received eternal life?
Not until they Heard Him. His voice woke them, His voice spoke the gospel to them.
so, no followers of the old covenant received eternal life?
And the Galatians 4 scripture? How do you view physical Jerusalem as it was associated with Hagar and Ishmael?
Not until they Heard Him. His voice woke them, His voice spoke the gospel to them.
Not until they Heard Him. His voice woke them, His voice spoke the gospel to them.
Does the Potter have that much power?
what right does the clay have to ask the potter why it is a chamber pot, and not a buttermilk churn?
The clay's job is to be whatever the potter moulds it to be.
Yes, the potter has that much power, and much more
My view of this is that God promised Abramham that he would have decendants like the stars, yet Abraham's faith was not yet strong. He tried to create the promise or help God fullfill the promise as if God needed help. Although Ishmael was born first, Issac was the firstborn because God had promised him before Ishmael through Sarah. Issac could have said, before Ishmael, I am/was. Rule of thumb for all bible understanding. God's promise/word is as a fact although not always yet having come to pass. Old testament saints were commended for believing his promises as fact. In the Christian journey, do we wait for the righteousness for which we hope through the spirit..... or do we try to help God through our own best efforts or discipline? The later is a form of slavery..... more brick, up the quota.Abraham had two sons.
Genesis 25:23
The LORD said to her, "Two nations are in your womb; And two peoples will be separated from your body; And one people shall be stronger than the other; And the older shall serve the younger."
Galatians 4:22-26
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born because of the promise. 24These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar.25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
why do you think Esau has anything to do what Paul is taking about? i don't follow that line of thinking.
i always thought Issac = jews and Ishmael = muslims
Issac was Abrhams son thru Sarah. Ishmael was his son thru the slave Hagar.
After Ishmael was born, Hagar tried to usurp Sarahs rloe as wife and matriarch of the home. She held her in contempt because Sarah hadn't had a child.
Issac was Abraham son thru Sarah. He is the one that was prophesied to be the heir of Abraham. Son of the free woman.
If Abraham had kept his pants on, we wouldn't half as many problems as we do in the middle east
Goes to show you the deep consequences of our actions.
How can Galatians 4:22f have so many different views when it explicitly explains itself?
But Abraham was looking forward to a city whose builder and maker was God, the new Jerusalem.
I did not know this. This is interesting. Wish I knew more of this sort of thingjust a thought that popped into my head as I was reading this..
did you know that Mt Moriah is the mountian were the Temple was built, and at the crest of that mountain is Golgatha, where God's son was sacraficed, according to the Jewish sages.
I did not know this. This is interesting. Wish I knew more of this sort of thing
I never knew Issac was to be offered in the same place Jesus was sacrificed, thus the Lord's promise "I will provide" takes on even more meaning. Thanks Pappy, I had overlooked this and may have never known the significance of the location. And as I googled it, I see it is rich with significance in many ways. The temple as you mentioned, and moreI did not know this. This is interesting. Wish I knew more of this sort of thing
The Jewish traditions are extremely eye opening, the Sader meal, I can't remember the Passover meal. It all points straight to Jesus. One day the veil will be lifted so they can see. I used to take prisoners out to church on sundays. Wherever they wanted to go and then to a good buffet restaurant. They really enjoyed it. Also had a group of singers within that I often took out to revivals. The prison contacted me and asked if I could take "Scott" Jew whom I had befriended while hanging out, LOL, behind bars, in a low key witness mentality, not being pushy, asked if I would take him to a Passover meal at a Jewish church. I said yes after much thought because nothing conflicted with my beliefs.... it just was incomplete to my beliefs and my foundation actually came from theirs. It was so ritualistic, extremely, but was an extreme attempt of not losing the original traditions. It was amazing that they did not see how Jesus fit so perfect. And they had so much in regard to the messiah coming. Amazing learning moment and eye opener to the "veil" that has to be removed so that they can see.every time I turn over a rock, there is something new and a deeper meaning to the scripture I have learned. I learned so much on the 10 day trip to Israel 2 years ago, I have tried to go back, but haven't been able. If the Lord wills, I will be going back there one day.
Just the things I was able to learn about jewish festivals, and tradition, or why things are done in certain order, was eye opening. Each festival is a shadow of foretelling of a future event. To see how they all line up.... I just can't describe it.
Would love to but may never. LOL, I have never been anywhere. I would love to be able to decern the proper fit to all their traditions. I searched it out once, reading several books but was unable to absorb it into my brainevery time I turn over a rock, there is something new and a deeper meaning to the scripture I have learned. I learned so much on the 10 day trip to Israel 2 years ago, I have tried to go back, but haven't been able. If the Lord wills, I will be going back there one day.
Just the things I was able to learn about jewish festivals, and tradition, or why things are done in certain order, was eye opening. Each festival is a shadow of foretelling of a future event. To see how they all line up.... I just can't describe it.