Apologetics

1gr8bldr · Feb 28, 2017

SemperFiDawg said:
My friend I've seen enough debates to tell you that you are sadly mistaken on this.

With all due respect, you see it from your eyes and your assumed truths. If seen by a neutral party, if that were possible, they could give an unbiased opinion. Believers bring assumed truths to the table. Atheist do not. Let me think of an example, smaller than is there a God and did God create the world.... Believers assume a higher moral character. Why? Because the bible says so? Because God must be good? Maybe I have made a point, maybe not. I don't ever expect my God to prove himself, That would negate faith.

stringmusic · Mar 1, 2017

1gr8bldr said:
With all due respect, you see it from your eyes and your assumed truths.

So does every human on earth.

Believers bring assumed truths to the table. Atheist do not.

I believe you might need to rethink this statement. An Atheist or Agnostic or anyone else bring assumed truths to the table.

stringmusic · Mar 1, 2017

https://youtu.be/vtB6iFLmKiI

If someone could embed this for me, I'd appreciate it. I don't know how to do it on my phone.

ambush80 · Mar 1, 2017

stringmusic said:
https://youtu.be/vtB6iFLmKiI

If someone could embed this for me, I'd appreciate it. I don't know how to do it on my phone.

1gr8bldr · Mar 1, 2017

stringmusic said:
So does every human on earth.

I believe you might need to rethink this statement. An Atheist or Agnostic or anyone else bring assumed truths to the table.

What would an atheist assume in a debate?

stringmusic · Mar 2, 2017

ambush80 said:

Thank ya kind sir :cheers:

I know Ravi has said before that he doesn't care much for the debate setting because it turns into mud slinging, and the only thing accomplished is both parties lose ground.

And there are smaller bits of that lengthy video on YouTube I think. It's a very interesting debate.

stringmusic · Mar 2, 2017

1gr8bldr said:
What would an atheist assume in a debate?

What wouldn't he?

1gr8bldr · Mar 2, 2017

stringmusic said:
What wouldn't he?

It would seem to me that it would be up to the one making a claim to prove the claim. Since Atheism is not an organized religion that attempts to grow it's followers then I would consider it the Christians who need to prove the case. Atheism does not say there is no God. They say there is no proof of God. Christians apologetics say God does exist. I believe If God wanted to prove himself, he would without the help of smooth talking debaters.

stringmusic · Mar 2, 2017

1gr8bldr said:
It would seem to me that it would be up to the one making a claim to prove the claim. Since Atheism is not an organized religion that attempts to grow it's followers then I would consider it the Christians who need to prove the case. Atheism does not say there is no God. They say there is no proof of God. Christians apologetics say God does exist. I believe If God wanted to prove himself, he would without the help of smooth talking debaters.

Any claim made on either side of the debate would have assumed truths. If you've ever listen to a debate between an Christian apologist and an Atheist, there are many claims on both sides.

ambush80 · Mar 2, 2017

stringmusic said:
Any claim made on either side of the debate would have assumed truths. If you've ever listen to a debate between an Christian apologist and an Atheist, there are many claims on both sides.

This one got me into Sam Harris:

The thing I don't like about debates is that they come in with things they want to say and don't really spend time debating each others points.

This one is good, too. I love Hitchens' style foiled with D'souza's evangelist style.

SemperFiDawg · Mar 2, 2017

1gr8bldr said:
Believers bring assumed truths to the table. Atheist do not.

Aitheist don't presuppose it's true that God does not exist?
Never mind.
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bullethead · Mar 2, 2017

SemperFiDawg said:
Aitheist don't presuppose it's true that God does not exist?
Never mind.

Not in all cases, no.
Many were once believers in a god. They have come to their current thoughts over years of researching their own former religion.

660griz · Mar 2, 2017

bullethead said:
Not in all cases, no.
Many were once believers in a god. They have come to their current thoughts over years of researching their own former religion.

True. I was a bible thumping southern Baptist that went to church 3 times a week and vacation bible school. Then, I reached the age or reason.

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