bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
That is trueTruth is exclusive, everybody can't be right.
Faith and acceptance of Christ are one in the same.
So before JC was on the earth, the people that died........never mind.
That is trueTruth is exclusive, everybody can't be right.
Faith and acceptance of Christ are one in the same.
You seem to know what God is thinking yourself.After eons and eons of time hovering in a place that is beyond human comprehension, God finally decided that
Where did you get this little tidbit?he was lonely and NEEDED to create a creature that will love and worship him.
You got that part right.....God decided that the creature will have free will and does not have to worship him,
....this part, not so much. It is not a secret that people who choose not to spend eternity with God, don't have too.but secretly at the end of that creatures life if it so chose not to worship God(and now his son too) that creature will burn for all eternity for carrying out God's will??????????????
It is if it's correct.Awesome line of thought.
Nope, just coming to my own conclusions from the info given.You seem to know what God is thinking yourself.
God created man so that man can love and worship God on his own free will.Where did you get this little tidbit?
See I'm following closely so i do understand....You got that part right.....
It IS a secret to every person that has never ever heard of God. It is only the people that heard and chose(with their given free will) to go another route that will not only NOT go to Heaven, but be tormented for all of eternity for their choice. It is not like they get to go to a decent vacation spot with a community pool, not a private one....they burn forever. You sugar coat it.....this part, not so much. It is not a secret that people who choose not to spend eternity with God, don't have too.
Odds are it is not correct.It is if it's correct.
OK. One more time. There is no sin in heaven. Heaven is a holy place. There will be no desire to do someting the God will not want you to do. We will only want to worship God and be in his glory. When you just ate a 22oz steak, 5 lobster tails, 29 baked potatos, 16 salads and drank 3 gallons of water, do want to eat or drink any thing? Not likely. You are full and have your desires to eat and drink met to the fullest. You probably couldnt eat another bite. I know you could force yourself to try but you wont want to. In heaven you wont have your desires to sin met and be full from it but you just will not want to do it because you cant simply because sin does not exist in heaven. I guess it is hard to put into words because we can sin here on earth and we all do and it is so easy to do. It is also hard to imagine something that we know so well on earth will just not exist in heaven but it wont and I am so happy that I wont have to deal with it any more in heaven. If you are saved you will go to heaven. If you are worried about getting thrown out of heaven for sinning in heaven, stop. You wont. I am sorry that I am not smart enough to explain it better. Please just accept that there is no sin in heaven and when you get there you can ask God.
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Originally Posted by BrettJ
God created man so that man can love and worship God on his own free will. If God wanted to, He could make man worship and love Him but that is not real love. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden and they love and worshiped God. Who wouldnt? They lived in the greatest place on earth. God let Satan enter in the garden and tempt Adam and Eve. They ate the apple and that ended the life of luxary and ease as the knew it. Why did God allow Satan to ruin this for them? God wanted them to still love and worship Him. Now with all the hardships the world had to offer made life a lot harder for them and all of us today. Now when God is loved and worshiped, He really gets free will love and worship because of who He is and not because he provides us with the Garden of Eden.
Like in Heaven?
No not like in Heaven. You wont be forced to love and worship God in Heaven. One does it with his own free will just like he did on earth. If you didnt do it on earth, dont worry, it wont matter any way. You want be in Heaven. You will be at the BBQ. So dont be afraid God is going to make you love and worship him.
Like in Heaven?
No not like in Heaven. You wont be forced to love and worship God in Heaven. One does it with his own free will just like he did on earth. If you didnt do it on earth, dont worry, it wont matter any way. You want be in Heaven. You will be at the BBQ. So dont be afraid God is going to make you love and worship him.
I can't.
You are the only person I know, that can read my comments, and draw that conclusion.
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Originally Posted by BrettJ
God created man so that man can love and worship God on his own free will. If God wanted to, He could make man worship and love Him but that is not real love. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden and they love and worshiped God. Who wouldnt? They lived in the greatest place on earth. God let Satan enter in the garden and tempt Adam and Eve. They ate the apple and that ended the life of luxary and ease as the knew it. Why did God allow Satan to ruin this for them? God wanted them to still love and worship Him. Now with all the hardships the world had to offer made life a lot harder for them and all of us today. Now when God is loved and worshiped, He really gets free will love and worship because of who He is and not because he provides us with the Garden of Eden.
Like in Heaven?
No not like in Heaven. You wont be forced to love and worship God in Heaven. One does it with his own free will just like he did on earth. If you didnt do it on earth, dont worry, it wont matter any way. You want be in Heaven. You will be at the BBQ. So dont be afraid God is going to make you love and worship him.
Can you just take one freaking day off from loving him, like a personal day? How about a half day? One day to just "do you"? Maybe go to the dog track or have a scotch?
God does not need you to love him.Who said he did? I didn't. Does He want you to love Him and His Son? God is self sustaining, self sufficient, self existent. He needs nothing. He does not need you.You're kiddin'??? really??? i thought He needed me to exist........who said He did? Why would anyone think that God needs them, I never ever thought God needed me, did you? Not even when I was 4 yrs old, my first recall of God, I didn't think He needed me, I've never heard of anyone who thinks God needs them....what's your point??? Just something to crush someones importance to God? God loves us, we are important to Him, He created us, He loves us, He gave His son for us, He loves us, why put someone down by saying God doesn't need you....is that really necessary. Do you go around telling all the little children in church that 'guess what??? God doesn't need you'....just to belittle them? I think that's pretty much a given, but do you have to make a big issue out of it? God is love, ya know. Let's concentrate on that instead of telling everyone how useless they are to God. Why don't you go around preaching the gospel, the GOOD NEWS, instead of depressing everyone to death about the negatitive stuff that you aren't even willing to testify or witness to???
If it is unfair for God to give mercy to some men, but not all men, would it not be equally unfair for God to give mercy to fallen men if he did not also give mercy to the fallen angels?Well I don't know, I don't think like God, do you? You seem to know exactly what God does and why, why don't you tell me.
And I will take you at your word. Perhaps I read more into your comment than was there.Who said he did? I didn't.
The very fact that we are having this conversation nullifies your premise.Why don't you go around preaching the gospel, the GOOD NEWS, instead of depressing everyone to death about the negatitive stuff that you aren't even willing to testify or witness to???
The very fact that we are having this conversation nullifies your premise.
I know it is inconceivable to think that others HAVE read the book, MANY MANY MANY times over and have come to different conclusions than you, but yes, it happens.
Then why did the BrentJ 'heaven' post get ridiculed? His quotes came from bible
I thought you said in the freewill thread that you wanted to keep your testimony about your salvation private. If I missed it somewhere I'd love to hear it or you could guide me there.
I believe it was in your "who are the elect" thread. The thread where I was accused of heresy by a Mod. I touched on it in 2 or 3 separate post. I did not have liberty in discussing the intimate details.
I believe it was in your "who are the elect" thread. The thread where I was accused of heresy by a Mod. I touched on it in 2 or 3 separate post. I did not have liberty in discussing the intimate details.
Because not everyone that reads the bible or those quotes believes they are worth any more than the ink it took to put them in the book.