Fuzzy D Fellers
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That is because of ignorant preachers.
Fuzzy D Fellers
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Science is the study of God's creation.
NE GA Pappy
Mr. Pappy
some churches, and you would be right. Other churches encourage people to question and search the scripture. Most of us are dead set on what we believe and it takes a tractor trailer load of offsetting evidence to make us change our minds.
a man is not an unbeliever just because he questions what he is being taught or was taught
oldfella1962
Senior Member
interesting point! If Jesus had come 30,000 years sooner would there be a Neanderthal crucified?
I'm not being funny, it's a valid question. Even for those who don't believe in carbon 14 dating (I wouldn't let a carbon atom date until they were at least 16 but I'm old fashioned) no matter how you age fossils if the oldest homo skulls have a smaller brain capacity and bigger/stronger jaw bones more and the skulls get more "human" the newer they get then it's obvious that there is a long line of progression from our proto-human ancestors and homo sapiens. Factor in an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA in many of us, and it's obvious we aren't the first attempt and won't be the last (assuming we don't blow ourselves up first).
Creating two humans "off the cuff" out of clay might fly if you don't know anything about science. Hmmm.....when the bible was written even the best & brightest minds didn't know a fraction of what we know now, and the bible sure illustrates that IMO.
oldfella1962
Senior Member
with no written record oral stories can only be told over and over so many times until they are forgotten. Civilizations are wiped out, languages are wiped out, etc.
That gap in time goes back from civilization/farming (10,000 or so years) to 500,000 years or so when proto-humans started to emerge.
Some scientists think when humans migrated from asia to north America they were trapped in berengia (bering straits area) for 5,000 years until the glaciers receded enough for full-scale migration! That's enough time for several (or many) complete cultures to develop and die out or morph into other cultures.....wow!
oldfella1962
Senior Member
most certainly - Adam was a farmer and humans were hunter/gathers long before farming. Matter-of-fact the archeological/paleontology record shows humans were bigger & stronger & healthier in the glacial times than they were once farming got established.
Rapid environmental changes (not just glaciers but other changes too) forced humans to adapt and use our superior brains and athletic advantages to survive and get even smarter and more skilled - thus women will always be hard-wired to be attracted to men who are "winners" or at least look like winners - tall, strong, confident, smart, etc.
I`m just about convinced that the Solutrean People from Europe were on this continent first. The knapping and stoneworking techniques the Clovis People used is too much alike to be a coincidence.
I pretty much agree. And Clovis concentrations are much heavier in the east than in the west to boot.
I would say that many types of people from many different places have called this continent home over the years.
Harbuck
Senior Member
Created man...... Formed man
John 4:24King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
If God is a spirit , perhaps our spirit is what is in the image of God.
Genesis 1:26-31King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Notice in chapter 2 of Gen. That it says that God "formed" man from the dust of the ground, Because "there was no man to till the ground." How could this be? God "created" man on the sixth day.
But if man was at this point still only a spirit being as God is "in the image of God" then it makes since. God had not yet "formed" man "the vessel- physical being" and breath the spirit"life" into it. Up until this point perhaps the "created- image of" only existed in a spiritual form/place.
Genesis 2:1-8King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spirit
Spirit means breath/wind
http://1000petals.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/sahaja-yogaspirit-means-breath-or-wind/
John 4:24King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
If God is a spirit , perhaps our spirit is what is in the image of God.
Genesis 1:26-31King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Notice in chapter 2 of Gen. That it says that God "formed" man from the dust of the ground, Because "there was no man to till the ground." How could this be? God "created" man on the sixth day.
But if man was at this point still only a spirit being as God is "in the image of God" then it makes since. God had not yet "formed" man "the vessel- physical being" and breath the spirit"life" into it. Up until this point perhaps the "created- image of" only existed in a spiritual form/place.
Genesis 2:1-8King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spirit
Spirit means breath/wind
http://1000petals.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/sahaja-yogaspirit-means-breath-or-wind/
swampstalker24
Senior Member
Or maybe he just assumed that since the stars, moon, and sun all seemed to "hang in space", then maybe the same was true of the earth?
jrickman
Senior Member
2 things...
1. A wise man once said to me, "Son, the Bible doesn't say that it contains everything there IS to know about creation. It simply contains everything you NEED to know about God. He gave you a brain for the rest."
2. When people talk about reconciling modern science with the story of the creation from Genesis, they most often are talking about geology and biology, which are far from settled science, and our knowledge and understanding of them evolve with the generations. What is often mysteriously overlooked when discussing the 6 day literal vs. interpreted timeline is the science of physics. Do some research on the concept of time dilation from the theory of relativity. Time dilation has been demonstrated and proven. Put simply, time dilation is the difference in time as observed from 2 points caused by either a difference in velocity of motion or proximity to a large gravitational field.
For the purpose of this post, let's focus on some known examples. Gravity literally slows down the passage of time, as measured by our methods. Clocks on many satellites run faster than clocks on the ground, for instance. This is due to their proximity to the earth. Meanwhile, clocks on the space shuttle have been shown to run faster due to its orbital speed. Now for a moment, lets imagine the potential gravitational force of either God Himself, or any physical body He is present on, somewhere way out there in space. For the skeptics, let's just imagine a grey bearded old man standing on a planet several thousand light years away that is many times larger than earth. It is entirely plausible that a day in that location is equivalent to 1000 years here on Earth, as referenced in the New Testament. Add in the potential difference in velocity between the two objects and this can increase further. Bottom line, time is not a universal constant. It is different based on where you're standing and where you're going.
There is much we do not understand about creation and personally I believe that those who try to box God in, whether by insisting on a literal 6 day timeline and thus supposing that God is somehow bound by the law of physics, as well as those who adamantly refute the 6 day timeline, based on some conclusions literally drawn from the dirt, are all failing to acknowledge the simple reality that God has no obligation to break things down for us kindergarten style, or to prove Himself to us. The pride and arrogance of man is on full display on both sides of this argument, among believers as well as skeptics.
1. A wise man once said to me, "Son, the Bible doesn't say that it contains everything there IS to know about creation. It simply contains everything you NEED to know about God. He gave you a brain for the rest."
2. When people talk about reconciling modern science with the story of the creation from Genesis, they most often are talking about geology and biology, which are far from settled science, and our knowledge and understanding of them evolve with the generations. What is often mysteriously overlooked when discussing the 6 day literal vs. interpreted timeline is the science of physics. Do some research on the concept of time dilation from the theory of relativity. Time dilation has been demonstrated and proven. Put simply, time dilation is the difference in time as observed from 2 points caused by either a difference in velocity of motion or proximity to a large gravitational field.
For the purpose of this post, let's focus on some known examples. Gravity literally slows down the passage of time, as measured by our methods. Clocks on many satellites run faster than clocks on the ground, for instance. This is due to their proximity to the earth. Meanwhile, clocks on the space shuttle have been shown to run faster due to its orbital speed. Now for a moment, lets imagine the potential gravitational force of either God Himself, or any physical body He is present on, somewhere way out there in space. For the skeptics, let's just imagine a grey bearded old man standing on a planet several thousand light years away that is many times larger than earth. It is entirely plausible that a day in that location is equivalent to 1000 years here on Earth, as referenced in the New Testament. Add in the potential difference in velocity between the two objects and this can increase further. Bottom line, time is not a universal constant. It is different based on where you're standing and where you're going.
There is much we do not understand about creation and personally I believe that those who try to box God in, whether by insisting on a literal 6 day timeline and thus supposing that God is somehow bound by the law of physics, as well as those who adamantly refute the 6 day timeline, based on some conclusions literally drawn from the dirt, are all failing to acknowledge the simple reality that God has no obligation to break things down for us kindergarten style, or to prove Himself to us. The pride and arrogance of man is on full display on both sides of this argument, among believers as well as skeptics.
Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
It really doesn't matter.
What does matter is that after all of the time man has been on earth he has yet to figure out the "big picture" and how to live in harmony with each other.
In terms of species, we are indeed one of the dumbest.
What does matter is that after all of the time man has been on earth he has yet to figure out the "big picture" and how to live in harmony with each other.
In terms of species, we are indeed one of the dumbest.
swampstalker24
Senior Member
I wonder if this is by "design" or rather a failure on the part of the creator?
Miguel Cervantes
Jedi Master
I wonder if this is by "design" or rather a failure on the part of the creator?
The creator gave us all free will. Supposing all creatures were given the same I would surmise we have not used ours wisely.
centerpin fan
Senior Member
Israel
BANNED
I don't think any have contended that man does not have a will.
Nor do I believe any disciple would contend that God does not.
But whose is of all liberty?
Nor do I believe any disciple would contend that God does not.
But whose is of all liberty?
marketgunner
Senior Member
God Imge
God is a Spirit,
Those made in God's image are living spirits in fleshly vessels.
The flesh is not in God's image, the eternal living spirit is
God is a Spirit,
Those made in God's image are living spirits in fleshly vessels.
The flesh is not in God's image, the eternal living spirit is
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
Yet somehow it's related to humanity. The Word was with God.
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