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Old 05-31-2013, 01:44 PM
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I see people who "are" or only claim to be "good" muslims as future targets of opportunity! The Koran says "to fight the enemies of Islam until they are subjagated and give up their preaching against Islam, otherwise put them to the sword and kill them"! Christians preaching the word of GOD is preaching against Islam!
It is impossble for a Muslims to be good American: Why, because America puts GOD first! Muslims will never put God or country ahead of Allah. Islam is the only religion that says to lie about not being a muslim to further the faith! So for all you people that feel it is okay to have them in this country you need to wake up! They are here for one reason and one reason only! to destroy the infidells who will not stop preaching against islam. They have already taken over the schools and are allowed to teach the history of islam in our own schools, are we alowed to the history of christianity in our schools! Try to stop a muslims from praying in whether in school or any other time and you will have the rath of allah brought down on you, You have seen christian prayer being banned from almost every aspect of American life!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
I am telling you targets of opportunity is all they are when the time comes!!
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This was a good discussion. Thanks for reviving it with your nonsense, piratebob.
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In America your God can be whomever you believe God to be on no God at all. It's the price we pay as Americans for freedom. We take chances for Christ.
If I see someone in need I will help them. They might kill me before I get a chance but it won't stop me from trying. This is within reason.
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After you sell all of your worldy goods and follow Jesus, we'll worry about this little problem.
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I see people who "are" or only claim to be "good" muslims as future targets of opportunity! The Koran says "to fight the enemies of Islam until they are subjagated and give up their preaching against Islam, otherwise put them to the sword and kill them"! Christians preaching the word of GOD is preaching against Islam!
It is impossble for a Muslims to be good American: Why, because America puts GOD first! Muslims will never put God or country ahead of Allah. Islam is the only religion that says to lie about not being a muslim to further the faith! So for all you people that feel it is okay to have them in this country you need to wake up! They are here for one reason and one reason only! to destroy the infidells who will not stop preaching against islam. They have already taken over the schools and are allowed to teach the history of islam in our own schools, are we alowed to the history of christianity in our schools! Try to stop a muslims from praying in whether in school or any other time and you will have the rath of allah brought down on you, You have seen christian prayer being banned from almost every aspect of American life!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
I am telling you targets of opportunity is all they are when the time comes!!
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And here I thought you were an atheist.
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Pssssssst.
(Allah="a god" but not "The One True God")
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Pssssssst.
(Allah="a god" but not "The One True God")
Muslims,Jews,Christians all start with worshiping the God of Abraham. The twists in the stories made after that God are what separate the three.
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And here I thought you were an atheist.
Point?
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Point?
A person with your mental capacity shouldn't need this explained.... Here goes: if you don't believe in (a) God or (any) gods, then how does the equation "Allah = God" come from your thought process? There is no God, right? Yes, I get your point, that from a biblical view, the Jewish, Muslim, and Christian God are one in the same. Doesn't it seem a bit trivial, on your part, to use God's existence to prove his non-existence? At very least, almost hypocritical?
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Are christians who dont really practice Christianity still Christians
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Are christians who dont really practice Christianity still Christians
No, they're called Buddhists.
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A person with your mental capacity shouldn't need this explained.... Here goes: if you don't believe in (a) God or (any) gods, then how does the equation "Allah = God" come from your thought process? There is no God, right? Yes, I get your point, that from a biblical view, the Jewish, Muslim, and Christian God are one in the same. Doesn't it seem a bit trivial, on your part, to use God's existence to prove his non-existence? At very least, almost hypocritical?
Am I wrong? Is Allah also God or not?

It does not come from my thought process. It comes from knowledge of religious beliefs that I have studied. I do not have to believe what I am reading in order to discuss it.
No different than when you read your children fairy tales. Are you a hypocrite if you discuss the characters later?


There are lots of things that I don't believe in but can hold a conversation about.
In this case we have a guy thinking that Allah and God are two totally different entities. Going by what I have studied, learned and discussed over the years, I am trying to clear things up a bit for him.
I have noticed that most non-believers seem to have more knowledge about religion(s) than most believers. Possibly because they take the time to study the history of one or more religions.

I don't know why having me give a correct answer in here somehow offends you or concerns you. Bottom line is don't worry about WHO is giving answers, just worry whether or not the info is correct. If the three religions, Islam,Judaism and Christianity do not worship the God of Abraham let me know. If your only concern is me being involved in the discussion then get over it. I am able to hold my own regarding religion, regardless of what I believe.
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Am I wrong? Is Allah also God or not?

It does not come from my thought process. It comes from knowledge of religious beliefs that I have studied. I do not have to believe what I am reading in order to discuss it.
No different than when you read your children fairy tales. Are you a hypocrite if you discuss the characters later?


There are lots of things that I don't believe in but can hold a conversation about.
In this case we have a guy thinking that Allah and God are two totally different entities. Going by what I have studied, learned and discussed over the years, I am trying to clear things up a bit for him.
I have noticed that most non-believers seem to have more knowledge about religion(s) than most believers. Possibly because they take the time to study the history of one or more religions.

I don't know why having me give a correct answer in here somehow offends you or concerns you. Bottom line is don't worry about WHO is giving answers, just worry whether or not the info is correct. If the three religions, Islam,Judaism and Christianity do not worship the God of Abraham let me know. If your only concern is me being involved in the discussion then get over it. I am able to hold my own regarding religion, regardless of what I believe.
Allah is the god (little 'g') of the Quran. He is known by 98 other names in the Quran (google it, it's not worth my time nor relevant to the discussion) One of the names he is never called in the Quran is "Father" and you will never see Jesus referred to as the Son of God (big 'G') in the Quran. To do so would be blasphemy and subject you to severe punishment. Allah is also not a gracious god. You will find in the Quran that Allah will not die for you, nor will he send anyone else to do so. Plus a multitude of other lies about Jesus.

Inversely, Yahweh is the God (big 'G') of Christianity and the Bible, and is many things that Allah could never be, including a Father and Gracious. God / Yahweh is the only God to send his Son to die for you.
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Allah is the god (little 'g') of the Quran. He is known by 98 other names in the Quran (google it, it's not worth my time nor relevant to the discussion) One of the names he is never called in the Quran is "Father" and you will never see Jesus referred to as the Son of God (big 'G') in the Quran. To do so would be blasphemy and subject you to severe punishment. Allah is also not a gracious god. You will find in the Quran that Allah will not die for you, nor will he send anyone else to do so. Plus a multitude of other lies about Jesus.

Inversely, Yahweh is the God (big 'G') of Christianity and the Bible, and is many things that Allah could never be, including a Father and Gracious. God / Yahweh is the only God to send his Son to die for you.
Like I said before:
"Muslims,Jews,Christians all start with worshiping the God of Abraham. The twists in the stories made after that God are what separate the three."
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LOL!! That is true Earl... but I like the claim Jesus makes concerning what a christian is.
Wait a minute - how could Jesus say anything about what a Christian believes if the religion wasn't invented until after he died and was resurrected?

He would have to come back now and then to monitor how the religion is going and keep the members on the right track.

Every good leader makes sure his orders are being followed.
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Allah is the god (little 'g') of the Quran.

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Inversely, Yahweh is the God (big 'G') of Christianity and the Bible, and is many things that Allah could never be

You are confusing language with religion. Allah is just the Arabic word God. Christian Arabs refer to the God of the Bible and purported Father of Jesus as "Allah".

And the Bible is a holy book for Islam, so the Muslim Allah is also the "God" of the Bible.
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What came first; the religion or the law???
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Another non sensible Gibberish.
It is not about disagreeing within the same faith as there are several Muslim faiths, but they all subscribe to Sharia.
All Christians subscribe to the New Testament even if they make a mockery and misunderstand what they are reading.
It was a 'nonsensible' statement, but, in Islam, there are 73 different sects, but Muhammad said that only one sect is the 'real' Islam......BUT, he failed to say WHICH sect was the one real sect. Shias say Sunnis are not 'real' Muslims ans vice versa, except when they are doing a head count to try to impress everyone with their numbers, and conveniently, they will THEN say all Muslims are the 'real' Islam. Sunni Muslims follow the hadiths, putting them almost on the same par as the Quran, that is if they are considered sahih(authentic), yet even then, they will argue about which ones are and are not authentic, based on expedience when it boils down to it, although they will claim there is a precise 'science' to determining their authenticity. For example, Bukhari is considered the most authentic narrations, but when you quote book 60, about the initial collection of the Quran after Muhammad's death, due to the heavy losses of 450 qurras(reciters) killed at the battle of Yamama, who took with them, to their graves, portions of the Quran known only to themselves, which is why Abu Bakr and Umar who later became caliphates numbers 1 & 2, were prompted to gather what remained of the Quran , before even more was lost. Thus hadith destroys their claim of a perfect and unaltered book, so although they will tell you that Bukhari is the most authentic hadiths, suddenly this one gets questioned as to its reliability...why...because it is not supportive of their beliefs, not because it has no historical authenticity. Issues like this is why Shias reject the hadiths altogether. Muslims have been infighting since Islam's inception over this issue, as well as who should succeed Muhammad(as caliph) after he died, and by infighting, it goes a little further than the assembly of councils or denominational splits....it has involved all out wars with literally millions of deaths, with as many as 11 million since 1948 alone. Most of you will remember the Iran/Iraq war, and Sadaam Hussein's 35 year reign of terror in Iraq, where he as a Sunni, oppressed any and all other sects, involving many deaths, with as many as 5,000 Kurds having been massacred with experimental chemical weapons in one attack.
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