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Artfuldodger
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I understand the I or you taking salvation away. I don't understand how to regain it. You said "then one must do his first works again." I'm not sure I understand what that means.
My first works was "surrendering" all to Jesus. When I sin and lose my salvation, what must I do to regain it? What works must I do to regain my salvation?
ricksconnected
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salvation is not gained by works. the bible is VERY clear on that.
if it were by works then it could not then be a gift then could it?
it would mean something you got on your own and not given to you by the Lord almighty.
if it were by works then it could not then be a gift then could it?
it would mean something you got on your own and not given to you by the Lord almighty.
M80
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“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?”
CensoredCensored1 John Censored5:4-5 CensoredKJV
http://bible.com/1/1jn.5.4-5.kjv
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
CensoredCensoredRevelation Censored3:5 CensoredKJV
http://bible.com/1/rev.3.5.kjv
When I got saved I over came the world through Christ Jesus. Therefore I have already overcame the world. Rev 3:5 that many people try and use to say God will blot your name out of the book of life is basing there belief off of one verse. Seeing that we have already overcame the world Rev 3:5 actually gives us assurance that he WILL NOT blot out our names because we have already overcame the world. God Bless you all and this my friends is shouting grounds.
CensoredCensored1 John Censored5:4-5 CensoredKJV
http://bible.com/1/1jn.5.4-5.kjv
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”
CensoredCensoredRevelation Censored3:5 CensoredKJV
http://bible.com/1/rev.3.5.kjv
When I got saved I over came the world through Christ Jesus. Therefore I have already overcame the world. Rev 3:5 that many people try and use to say God will blot your name out of the book of life is basing there belief off of one verse. Seeing that we have already overcame the world Rev 3:5 actually gives us assurance that he WILL NOT blot out our names because we have already overcame the world. God Bless you all and this my friends is shouting grounds.
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j_seph
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How does Oneness explain Matthew 27:46
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Artfuldodger
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Matthew 27:46
At about three o'clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?"
I'm not sure. I'm not a Oneness believer but I guess it's the same as it would be if Jesus was 1/3 of the equal Godhead.
Either way the Godhead had to leave Jesus in order for him to die even if for a moment.
I can see your point if 1/3rd can talk to the other 1/3 being easier than God himself incarnate talking to himself.
They believe God himself incarnate as Jesus instead of Jesus(pre-exisiting spirit) himself incarnate as a man(Jesus becoming a man).
Therefore under Oneness, God can't be all three at the same time. The process would still be the same though. The God part of Jesus would have to leave the man part of Jesus. Some Trinitarians believe Jesus gave up his deity when he came to earth and used God the Father's powers.
So in this way perhaps Oneness believers believe Jesus gave up this same deity even though they believe it is only a deity with one part.
Philippians 2:6-8
6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross.
Interesting question. I did find this on how Oneness see Jesus praying to God the Father;
Oneness theology maintains that God is uni-personal in nature. This uni-personal God Himself became a man, and yet continued to exist beyond the incarnation as the transcendent and exclusive Spirit as He always had prior to the incarnation. The deity of the Son and the deity of the Father, then, are not two distinct divine persons in the Godhead as in Trinitarian theology, but the same person in two distinct modes1 of existence. God now exists as a genuine man in the incarnation (Son), and yet continues to exist as God beyond the incarnation (Father). The Father is deity alone, while the Son is that same personal deity in metaphysical union with human nature, and thus a real human being.
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/jesusprayers3.htm
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