Wanna get the most out of your 835. Order you some Nitro Co 3.5 blends and shoot. I can guarantee you, you will have the upmost respect for recoil. If will definitely wake you up. I would about rather someone punch me in the shoulder. However, I will be shooting the 835 this coming turkey season with Nitro 3.5 7's and hevi 13 #7's wit a burris red dot and Sumtoy choke. Can't wait.