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It is stated in the clearest way possible that the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, is the bride, the Lamb's wife. This clearly stated in Rev. 21:2, 9-10: "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. . . . And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the last plagues, and he talked with me, saying, come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE THE LAMB'S WIFE. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the Holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." What could be more clear as to what the bride of Christ really is?
This plain passage should settle the question for all honest people. One could not read this passage and still maintain a clear conscience in teaching that the bride is something else. The bride of Christ is not the church as a whole. It is not only a part of the church. It is not Israel as a whole. It is not only a part of Israel. It is not the Gentiles as a whole. It is not a part of the Gentiles only. It is not one particular nation, denomination, race, or color. It is not many of the things that men have taught through the ages. IT IS THE HOLY CITY, THE NEW JERUSALEM AND CAN NOT BE ANYTHING ELSE. If the angel said that the bride is the New Jerusalem, then he either lied or told the truth. If he told the truth, then the bride is a city and not some nation or church, as is clamed by many bible teacher today.
Be reasonable and believe that the bride is a city just as the angel told John. It may be asked how could the Holy City be the bride? This is answered by the Bible writers. In Heb. 11:8-16 we have definite proof that Able, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and all the faith worthies of the Old Testament looked for a city to come as their eternal home. It is clear from Heb. 13:14 that the present church saints are also looking for the same city. It is clear from Rev. 19:7-10 that saints are the wife of Christ. And it is clear from Rev. 21:9-10 that the New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ. If the saints are the wife of Christ and the city is the bride, as stated in the above passages, then we must conclude that the city with all of the buildings and inhabitants will make the final bride of Christ. That is, all the redeemed of all ages from Abel to the last tribulation saint of the future who will have part in the first resurrection will live in the New Jerusalem, which is called "the bride, the Lamb's wife."
We could ask any person living in Atlanta if he is Atlanta, Ga. and he would have to say no. We could point to any church building in Atlanta and ask if that church is Atlanta, Ga. and the answer would have to be no. And so it would be with any citizen, building, or single part of Atlanta, but for one person to say that he is Atlanta would mean that he had lost common sanity. So it is with the New Jerusalem. It is unscriptural to speak of the present church as the bride, for the bride is the New Jerusalem. It is unscriptural to speak of any particular group of redeemed of any period as the bride of Christ, for the bride is a real city and not some company of redeemed of a particular period.
It would be scriptural, however to say concerning any single redeemed person, that he is now married to Christ, that he is a citizen of Heaven, and that he is or will be a part of the bride when he becomes a citizen of the Holy City. It is scriptural to say that the Old Testament saints as a company are and will always be a part of the bride. It is perfectly scriptural to say that the present church saints are married to Christ and will also be a part of the bride. And the same thing about all the future tribulation saints, the 144,000 Jews of the tribulation days, or any single individual or company of individuals of any period that they will be just as much a part of the bride as other redeemed peoples who will live in the New Jerusalem forever.
Christians even now are citizens of Heaven and they are destined to have a part in the bride, the New Jerusalem, when they die and when they are taken to that city to live forever. Naturally, until a person or a group of persons get to the city they cannot be called the bride, because they are not yet in reality a part of the New Jerusalem. In the same way, anyone who moves to a city does not become a citizen or part of that city until he settles in that place. So the saints will not actually become a part of the New Jerusalem until they move to the city and become a part of it.
Bible teachers for centuries have limited the word BRIDE in connection with the church, or some other company of redeemed, but this is not true. The city itself is the bride and this includes all the inhabitants of the city, and not just a few of them. It is not proper to call the present church the bride, but it is proper to call it a part of the bride. When we understand this truth, then it will not limit the bride of Christ to a special select few of the redeemed of any age, because the bride includes all redeemed saints of all ages who have part in the first resurrection and who will become inhabitants of the New Jerusalem.
It may also be asked how could a city with material buildings be called a bride and be clothed in fine linen, which is the righteousness of the saints, as stated in Rev. 19:7-10? This also becomes clear when we recognize that the bride also refers to the inhabitants of the city. similarly we have read in the newspapers that Atlanta, Ga. gave a banquet and a big welcome to some great person who visited the city. From the way the newspaper read we could argue that the buildings of Atlanta could not welcome anyone or give a banquet for him and that would be true. This is the human way to saying that the city officials and prominent citizens gave the banquet and welcomed the visitor.
It stands to reason that the buildings of the New Jerusalem could not eat a marriage supper and be clothed in fine linen. This simply means the inhabitants of the city will eat the supper and be clothed in linen, as taught in Rev. 19:7-10. All that God wants us to understand in all the statements in Rev. 19:7-10; 21:2, 9-11;22:17 and like passages concerning the bride is that there is a real material city with buildings and that there are also inhabitants in the city just like in any earthly city. It does not make sense to ignore the fact that there is a real city in Heaven. Neither does it make sense to ignore the fact that the city has inhabitants . There could be no city without buildings and inhabitants. It takes both to make a city.

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With these facts in mind it is clear that we are not robbing one Christian of the hope of being part of the bride of Christ, but when present church saints teach that they are the bride of Christ they are wrong. They will be only a part of the bride. When they teach that the Old Testament Saints are not part of the bride they are wrong for they are also a part of the bride. When they make any one group of redeemed the exclusive bride of Christ they are wrong. Therefore to be perfectly scriptural we must conclude that the Old Testament Saints will be a part of the New Jerusalem, WHICH IS THE BRIDE THE LAMB'S WIFE, that the New Testament Saints will be a part of the bride, and that every redeemed person in every age WHO WILL GO TO LIVE IN THE NEW JERUSALEM will be a part of the bride of Christ as much as all other redeemed people.
This will do away with the many fallacies in Christendom that the bride of Christ is a special few of the redeemed, that only a few will have a part in reigning with Christ, that only few will be the wife and the rest of the redeemed will be the guests at the marriage supper, that one has to be a super-saint in order to be a member of the bride, that God only knows which ones of the redeemed will be in the bride and which ones will not be, that some will be rewarded and exalted higher than others because they lived in a particular period, that one has to belong to a certain denomination to be in the bride of Christ, that the present church saints will be exalted higher than the Old Testament Saints, that the least one in this period will be greater than the greatest of any period, and that one has to live in this age and get certain spiritual experiences, which have been received only in this age, to be in the bride of Christ. These and countless false doctrines are taught by men of the various church groups of this generation. All such unscriptural teachings will be automatically proved wrong when we get the true conception of the bride of Christ.
Therefore, THE BRIDE IS THE REAL MATERIAL CITY IN HEAVEN CALLED THE NEW JERUSALEM and it's INHABITANTS which have BEEN REDEEMED from the human race in all ages from ADAM to the MILLENNIUM.
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I thought we were Christ's brothers and fellow heirs. We're invited to the wedding feast. How can we be invited to the wedding if we are the wedding?
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The church will be re united to Christ as a bride/groom relationship.

"Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife"

It is depicted as New Jerusalem but the the bride joins with the groom for the last invitation to whosoever will.

God doesn't want a city but the lost to be saved
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The church will be re united to Christ as a bride/groom relationship.

"Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife"

It is depicted as New Jerusalem but the the bride joins with the groom for the last invitation to whosoever will.

God doesn't want a city but the lost to be saved
If Christ is not married to His Bride now, how can the New Covenant produce children of God?
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The bride must remain a virgin during the betrothal period.
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Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.

What must the bride do to make herself ready?
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Wasn't Jesus married before? Didn't she turn out to be a harlot? I think she died.

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If Christ is not married to His Bride now, how can the New Covenant produce children of God?
The same thing.

We can become the children of God because we are the children of God who have sinned. We are equated to the bride because of the feeling God has to be with us.
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Maybe all of this marriage stuff was given as a comparison. They knew all about marriage and the laws of divorce. Perhaps the prophets, Jesus and the apostles used this as a teaching aid.

So here is something based on Romans 7;

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adultress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adultress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

What do you make of it? Some say it has to do with the husband dying and others say it was his wife that died. Look at verse 4.

Wasn't the comparison of the dead husband really about the dead wife? Isn't that what verse 4 says?

Romans 7:4
Likewise, my brothers, you also have been put to death to the Law through the body of Christ, for you to belong to another, to the One having been raised out from the dead, so that we should bear fruit to God.

Instead of Jesus, the husband dying in order to remarry his old bride, the old bride died so that she could remarry him.

Many believe the old bride died to the Law to become the new bride.

My take on Romans 7 is that Paul's brethren became dead to the Law through the body of Christ. This meant they weren't adulterers any longer. Being dead to the Law, they can now marry the One.
They were reborn so they really aren't Old Jerusalem any longer but New Jerusalem. Technically someone completely different, a new person or persons.
I guess one could say this New Jerusalem is the Church. Still though this marriage seems to have taken place at the death of Christ or is ongoing as this New Jerusalem picks up it's children of the promises.
Maybe somehow in the context of Jerusalem in Romans 11 as it picks up children of the promise on the way to it's final eternity. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in and the blindness has been removed.

Regardless it contains the children of the promise. We know that this means it's not just Jews or Gentiles but both who make up the New Jerusalem. Romans 9 tells us it's up to the Potter as to who these children are but it's not based on works. Romans 11 tells us he can have the same mercy on the blinded Jews that he had on us Gentiles.

Somehow though since Paul is speaking to brethren in Romans 7:4, there is some connection to those brethren under the Law dying to the Law through the death of Christ, to be divorced, to marry Him, the One.

Israel’s first husband(the Law) had to be dead before she could enter into the second covenant with her new husband.

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The same thing.

We can become the children of God because we are the children of God who have sinned. We are equated to the bride because of the feeling God has to be with us.
But during the betrothal period, the bride and groom must stay separated.

What must we do to make ourselves ready for this future wedding? Revelation 19:7
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If Christ is not married to His Bride now, how can the New Covenant produce children of God?
Reading this link about Romans 7;

http://www.ndtime.net/divorce_remarr...enants_rom.htm

"And in Rom 7:4 we see that we are said to be MARRIED to Christ so that we can bring forth fruit for God, which fruit we are bringing forth now."

I would agree that in order to bring forth fruit, we would have to already be married.

This person sees it that her(Israel) husband died and not Israel;

"The example was not that the woman died but the husband. We have become dead to the law. Israel did not die but she became dead to the law of her 1st husband."

"The old covenant was made between God and Israel and here we see that this covenant was ended with the death of Christ. This proves that Jesus was God in the flesh because only the death of the husband can allow the wife to remarry. And Israel would not have been able to enter into the second marriage, except if the 1st husband be dead."

I think he missed the analogy completely. She was married to the Law not God. God didn't die, the Law did. It's not like God, her old husband, dies so that she could remarry Jesus, her new husband.
Paul was just using the dead husband as an example.
Jesus didn't have a rebirth as a new person. He returned as himself, perhaps God, but not a "New Jesus."

The example was that Old Israel died and was reborn as New Israel. Regardless of who we think this New Israel is, the Bride, the Church, whomever but it was Old Israel's death in Paul's example. God did not die so that Israel could marry Jesus. The 1st husband that died was the Law, not God.
It's like the person is saying Yahweh died so that his Law is no longer in affect so now his wife is free to marry Yeshua. Paul’s point is that Jesus’ death breaks a person’s bond with the law, and a new bond is permitted.

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Confusing... We are the bride of Christ, the brother of Christ and the body of Christ, etc. Just analogies. Truth is, most the references to bride, are not meant to imply we are a bride, just an analogy. Take John, just an example that "the bride belongs to the bridegroom" not intending to call us a bride but intending to imply that he was not out to still Christs glory for himself. And Paul, I want to present you as a pure virgin, refering to "another false gospel, another Jesus, not intending to call us a bride. However........ it is exactly a picture of EVE. Jesus as the second Adam, needs a companion. God provided one.
The bride as Jerusalem..... You have to understand the OT for this to make sense. Abraham was called out on a journey, going where he knew not, just going, by faith. He did not settle in an area, he moved, as God moved him. While others settled in an area, that area taking the matriarchs name, a flourishing city begins. Named after that person, built from his household, family, servants, etc. But Abraham the man of faith looked forward to a city who's builder and maker was God. What was Abraham promised...... As he by faith walked away from everything he has known.... I will build you a city, as opposed to them building a city, Tower of babel. I will be with you, as opposed to them climbing to the heights of God as if they could get to his level. And I will make your name great as opposed to them making a name for themselves. Abraham, the father of our faith is patiently waiting for that city made by God. It's those of the faith of Abraham who dwell there, from all walks of life. It's a spiritual picture of the people of God. It's a spiritual picture opposite those at the tower of babel. Another promise to Abrahams descendants, "you will live in house you did not build". Steven understood, God does not live in houses made by man. This city is made up of houses built not by human effort or labor, but built by God. Paul was a master builder, working hard as Saul, doing what he thought right to please God. "there is a way that seemeth right but in the end leads to destruction. Pauls works, one by one, a brick, were used to build a dwelling that God might dwell in. One that he might stand off and admire, what a good builder I am and I deserve God to come here, how beautiful a house I have built. But in lite of what Christ had done, Paul was ashamed, and tore down his man made dwelling for God, and considered it rubble, and proclaimed, "by the grace of God, I am what I am." Not by my best efforts. Jesus told his disciples as they admired the beautiful temple, "It must all come down, not one stone will be standing. " God does not dwell in house made by man. These "new creation" houses making up the city. Where no one ups the quota, "more brick, more straw".
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I would agree the bride is an example. I don't think the term "bride of Christ" is in any scripture. I think there is only one verse that uses "bride of the lamb." I do realize that is Christ.
I just don't see a whole Bible focused on the bride of Christ other than just using it as a comparison.
It was a teaching tool to something they could relate to.

Something Builder keeps showing is, It's not something we do or something we build. It's what God does or provides for us. Look what he provided through Abraham. Look what he changed in Saul.
Saul wasn't seeking God.
Now along those lines of grace how do you see this verse?

Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.

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But during the betrothal period, the bride and groom must stay separated.

What must we do to make ourselves ready for this future wedding? Revelation 19:7

According to you futurist that poor Bride has been left at the altar for almost 2,000 years. That's a sad Valentine's Day story .
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How can a man, know more than God's Angel,? In the post #1 Rev. 21:2, 9-10 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband. . . .And there came unto me ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS which had the seven vails full of the last plagues, and he TALK WITH ME SAYING come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." These Scriptures are very clear as to what the bride of Christ really is.!

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According to you futurist that poor Bride has been left at the altar for almost 2,000 years. That's a sad Valentine's Day story .
That's a very long engagement yet they continued to have children.
I'll have to agree with you, if the Church is the Bride, then it has to already be here. If New Jerusalem is the new covenant city, then it has to already be here.

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How do we define Church as it pertains to the Bride? If the Bride is the Church?
I was looking at this verse about the apostles who were the bridegroom's attendants. I guess that would mean they were not part of the Bride/Church.

Matthew 9:15
Jesus replied, "How can the attendants of the bridegroom mourn while He is with them? But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them; then they will fast.
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Jesus was married to the earthly city Jerusalem. She committed adultery. I would think that if he divorced her, he would be remarried by now. Why would he wait 2,000 years?

The earthly city Jerusalem. Was it the city or it's occupants that committed adultery? The New Jerusalem. Is it the city or it's occupants? I don't know, just thinking out loud here.

No input on Romans 7? This could be a completely different marriage analogy. Israel divorced from the Law by death, to remarry Jesus by Grace.

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adultress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adultress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Weird but I'm still reading links about Israel divorcing God to marry Jesus.
She has or will become spiritual Israel--the bride of Christ. Then they always say this is spiritual Israel that married Jesus, not physical Israel.

I would think that if Old Israel divorced God and remarried Jesus then it would be the same Israel.
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http://www.totalhealth.bz/divorce-an...loser-look.htm

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Some say that God had to die on the Cross. That God was married to Israel. When the house of Israel was divorced by God and they went after other gods they could not go back to the one true God because that would be an abomination as is taught in Deuteronomy 24:4. So when Christ came and died he released them from that law.

This is a long read but interesting. It presents the marriage as a re-marriage;

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God did not die, it was the other way around. Fleshly old covenant Israel died and was raised to life as a Spiritual Israel and remarried. The story of Hosea and Gomer in Hosea is a type of the real event.
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It is argued that Israel is the only married wife of God. The Old Testament scriptures are used to prove the marriage of Israel to God. The conclusion is that if the church is not married to God, that if Israel is married to God, then she must be the one referred to as the "wife" of Rev. 19:1-10; 21:1-9.
It cannot be denied that Israel was married to God. That has been proved but this does not prove that Israel is the "wife" of Rev. 19 and 21. Israel is also married to Christ, it can also be proved that the church is now married to Crist, but the fact that Israel and the church are married to God still does not prove that either of them is the "wife" of Rev. 19 and 21
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It is also argued that the Greek for "wife" in Revelation is gune, which means a married woman, and therefore, Israel, being the only married woman in scripture, must be the "wife" referred to.
The Greek word gune does not mean a married woman only. It means any woman whether married, single, or widow. It is used of single women and widows as is clear from Luke 10:38; 22:5, 6; John 20:11-15; 1 Tim. 5:2, 14; Luke 4:26; John 19:26; Rev. 17. If gune could mean a single woman, then the argument that this woman is a married woman, and therefore, must be Israel, does not prove anything as to the identification of the bride of Christ. The same is true in the case of the church.
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