Evidence of God's existance in a physical world?

bullethead · Aug 31, 2015

marketgunner said:
It wouldn't trace to 4 eves, but back to their common ancestor.

You do not know what region what region of the world they were from, nor where they went. We only think we know where they landed.

The flood story in in many traditions, ancient Babylonians, aboriginals in Andaman islands, India, Peru America, different version but a common theme.

here is one

United States
The Ojibwe natives who have lived in Minnesota USA since approximately 1400AD also have a creation and flood story that closely parallels the Biblical account. "There came a time when the harmonious way of life did not continue. Men and women disrespected each other, families quarreled and soon villages began arguing back and forth. This saddened Gitchie Manido [the Creator] greatly, but he waited. Finally, when it seemed there was no hope left, Creator decided to purify Mother Earth through the use of water. The water came, flooding the Earth, catching all of creation off guard. All but a few of each living thing survived." Then it tells how Waynaboozhoo survived by floating on a log in the water with various animals.
Ojibwe - Ancient native American creation story tells of world wide flood.

Wow! No Way! 1400AD too!
The people of New Orleans also speak of a flood in 2005AD.
The SuperDome is a safe haven that saved a few species. It has GOT to be evidence of a worldwide flood.

There is just no scenario,especially localized flooding thousands of years before mass communication,where cultures thought the "entire world" consisted of a few hundred or thousand square miles.

All these cultures worldwide have had hundreds of thousands of years to experience a "Katrina" type of event. OF COURSE they are going to have a flood story.

Artfuldodger · Aug 31, 2015

marketgunner said:
There were not four eves, it would trace back to their common ancestor.

We do not know where Noah was from nor where they went, only where they might have landed.

The flood is in many traditions, all over the world

United States
The Ojibwe natives who have lived in Minnesota USA since approximately 1400AD also have a creation and flood story that closely parallels the Biblical account. "There came a time when the harmonious way of life did not continue. Men and women disrespected each other, families quarreled and soon villages began arguing back and forth. This saddened Gitchie Manido [the Creator] greatly, but he waited. Finally, when it seemed there was no hope left, Creator decided to purify Mother Earth through the use of water. The water came, flooding the Earth, catching all of creation off guard. All but a few of each living thing survived." Then it tells how Waynaboozhoo survived by floating on a log in the water with various animals.
Ojibwe - Ancient native American creation story tells of world wide flood.

You mentioned that not every human has a pre-exisiting eternal spirit. Do these humans come from other Eve's or the Eve of the bible's contemporaries?

welderguy · Sep 1, 2015

marketgunner said:
so you have to the Holy Spirit( to know of being a sinner and needing a Saviour) before you get the Holy Spirit

"Blessed is the man whom Thou choosest and causest to approach unto Thee."

marketgunner · Sep 3, 2015

bullethead said:
Wow! No Way! 1400AD too!
The people of New Orleans also speak of a flood in 2005AD.
The SuperDome is a safe haven that saved a few species. It has GOT to be evidence of a worldwide flood.

There is just no scenario,especially localized flooding thousands of years before mass communication,where cultures thought the "entire world" consisted of a few hundred or thousand square miles.

All these cultures worldwide have had hundreds of thousands of years to experience a "Katrina" type of event. OF COURSE they are going to have a flood story.

1400 is not the date of the flood but how long the tribe has been in Minnesota, It is in there tradition, As it is many others allover the globe, It might not have been a global flood but it might have come from the same people long ago and been repeated all over the world.

ambush80 · Sep 3, 2015

marketgunner said:
1400 is not the date of the flood but how long the tribe has been in Minnesota, It is in there tradition, As it is many others allover the globe, It might not have been a global flood but it might have come from the same people long ago and been repeated all over the world.

Now you're getting somewhere.

marketgunner · Sep 3, 2015

Artfuldodger said:
You mentioned that not every human has a pre-exisiting eternal spirit. Do these humans come from other Eve's or the Eve of the bible's contemporaries?

I get this from the application of Salvation to those who have not been given a chance to know about Jesus, and the fact that "hath the Son, hath life, hath not the Son hath not life" and God said "All souls are mine."

The point is, If souls preexist the body, where are they and what are they?

If God puts me here in a place and time and circumstances, He would not hold be responsible to know Jesus and yet prevent me from doing so.
An example, my non Jewish ancestors that live at the time of Christ in Northern Europe and America, could not know about Jesus., If , as some do, suggest good behavior is sufficient for salvation then Jesus was not required,

If God puts me in a place and time to be saved perhaps, those that did not have a chance to hear did not have an eternal being attached with the bodies.

To your point, is there a line of Humans who are souls and a line who are not.? There is a verse that says Eve is the mother of all living. literally Eve mother living or alive, so it could mean "spiritually alive" or who the line where God places a soul.

that is a opinion, anyway

bullethead · Sep 3, 2015

marketgunner said:
1400 is not the date of the flood but how long the tribe has been in Minnesota, It is in there tradition, As it is many others allover the globe, It might not have been a global flood but it might have come from the same people long ago and been repeated all over the world.

If not global then the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong it is unreliable. If the bible is unreliable it is not the work of anything worthy if being called a god.
If you want to research the history of the North American Continent you will see that parts of it, especially around the Great Lakes was definitely flooded. I have no doubt the story was passed down from a people of long ago but not the same people you think it is.
There has been much flooding worldwide. So much so that many cultures have flood stories of survivors. Many cultures borrow stories from neighbors too. That is why many scholars and historians believe "NOAH" was Sumerian and his tale of survival has been incorporated into the surrounding regions over a thousand years until the Jews decided they needed a flood story for their tales too.

ambush80 · Sep 3, 2015

bullethead said:
If not global then the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong it is unreliable. If the bible is unreliable it is not the work of anything worthy if being called a god.
If you want to research the history of the North American Continent you will see that parts of it, especially around the Great Lakes was definitely flooded. I have no doubt the story was passed down from a people of long ago but not the same people you think it is.
There has been much flooding worldwide. So much so that many cultures have flood stories of survivors. Many cultures borrow stories from neighbors too. That is why many scholars and historians believe "NOAH" was Sumerian and his tale of survival has been incorporated into the surrounding regions over a thousand years until the Jews decided they needed a flood story for their tales too.

Marketgunner,

Please look into what He's referring to. ::;

bullethead · Sep 3, 2015

ambush80 said:
Marketgunner,

Please look into what He's referring to.

Marketgunner, do not be surprised when you find out that the Sumerian story "Epic of Gilgamesh" was also about a world wide flood. ..but it predates the bible story by over a thousand years.

WaltL1 · Sep 3, 2015

bullethead said:
Marketgunner, do not be surprised when you find out that the Sumerian story "Epic of Gilgamesh" was also about a world wide flood. ..but it predates the bible story by over a thousand years.

And......
1.Flood occurs in the Mesopotamian plain.
2.Main character is warned to build a boat to escape the flood
3.Main character is told to save himself, his family, and a sampling of animals
4.The boats were sealed with tar
5.The boats came to rest on a mountain
6.Birds were released to determine if the waters receded
7.Main character sacrificed an offering

bullethead · Sep 3, 2015

WaltL1 said:
And......
1.Flood occurs in the Mesopotamian plain.
2.Main character is warned to build a boat to escape the flood
3.Main character is told to save himself, his family, and a sampling of animals
4.The boats were sealed with tar
5.The boats came to rest on a mountain
6.Birds were released to determine if the waters receded
7.Main character sacrificed an offering

But but but but Walt......look out the window, can you see a neighbors house? Look at the vinyl siding...THAT is god, THAT is proof you have a soul. Pay no nevermind to the facts you provided above..it doesn't matter that the biblical flood story along with most others are not true...abandon the facts and marvel at the mystical unprovable borderline insane distractions and outlandish claims that will be presented in it's place. :banana:

ambush80 · Sep 3, 2015

WaltL1 said:
And......
1.Flood occurs in the Mesopotamian plain.
2.Main character is warned to build a boat to escape the flood
3.Main character is told to save himself, his family, and a sampling of animals
4.The boats were sealed with tar
5.The boats came to rest on a mountain
6.Birds were released to determine if the waters receded
7.Main character sacrificed an offering

It's a miracle

drippin' rock · Sep 3, 2015

bullethead said:
If not global then the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong it is unreliable. If the bible is unreliable it is not the work of anything worthy if being called a god.
If you want to research the history of the North American Continent you will see that parts of it, especially around the Great Lakes was definitely flooded. I have no doubt the story was passed down from a people of long ago but not the same people you think it is.
There has been much flooding worldwide. So much so that many cultures have flood stories of survivors. Many cultures borrow stories from neighbors too. That is why many scholars and historians believe "NOAH" was Sumerian and his tale of survival has been incorporated into the surrounding regions over a thousand years until the Jews decided they needed a flood story for their tales too.

And it is not hard to understand why so many different cultures had a flood story. The majority of peoples lived next to water. Still do today.

bullethead · Sep 4, 2015

drippin' rock said:
And it is not hard to understand why so many different cultures had a flood story. The majority of peoples lived next to water. Still do today.

Truth

WaltL1 · Sep 4, 2015

bullethead said:
But but but but Walt......look out the window, can you see a neighbors house? Look at the vinyl siding...THAT is god, THAT is proof you have a soul. Pay no nevermind to the facts you provided above..it doesn't matter that the biblical flood story along with most others are not true...abandon the facts and marvel at the mystical unprovable borderline insane distractions and outlandish claims that will be presented in it's place.

You almost had me convinced until I remembered the neighbors have brick and not vinyl.

ambush80 · Sep 4, 2015

Do you think Marketgunner is doing research?

bullethead · Sep 4, 2015

ambush80 said:
Do you think Marketgunner is doing research?

No. Most of these guys do not know or want to know the history of their own religion.
Excuses work better than facts for them.

drippin' rock · Sep 4, 2015

ambush80 said:
Do you think Marketgunner is doing research?

If he is, he's not very good at it.

marketgunner · Sep 5, 2015

bullethead said:
If not global then the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong it is unreliable. If the bible is unreliable it is not the work of anything worthy if being called a god.
If you want to research the history of the North American Continent you will see that parts of it, especially around the Great Lakes was definitely flooded. I have no doubt the story was passed down from a people of long ago but not the same people you think it is.
There has been much flooding worldwide. So much so that many cultures have flood stories of survivors. Many cultures borrow stories from neighbors too. That is why many scholars and historians believe "NOAH" was Sumerian and his tale of survival has been incorporated into the surrounding regions over a thousand years until the Jews decided they needed a flood story for their tales too.

just go here and count the narratives, from High Mountains and Pacific Islands, Austrailia outback, then explain it away

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

marketgunner · Sep 5, 2015

Did anyone know about this Brass bell found inside a coal rock in 1944,

The rock was dated millions of years old and the bell was tested to be not modern metallurgy.

What about the human leg that had changed into coal found in West Virginia?

What about the iron hammer in bedded in the rock and the wooden handle had partially petrified?

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