Miguel Cervantes
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That is a peculiar assumption, and mostly incorrect.
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That is a peculiar assumption, and mostly incorrect.
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
Nooo, certainly not one of the 5 or 6 TRUE Christians who feel they set the bar (hand chosen by the Lord to do so of course) that all the other Christians are pretending to achieve, I was referring to the other Dozens of Millions of Christians that Love their Country along with their God.
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
No I’m not saying that. I’m saying freedom to worship is just that without a group telling me and a group that worship the same God that we can’t do it as a group. And if I don’t want to worship with a particular group, I should excuse myself and let them be. For my belief, God and Jesus are one.
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
My only point is the Red Man can tell us some great stories about how well things worked out for them by letting anyone and everyone come in and we adapt to them.
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
I am not getting that Point at all.
WaltL1
Senior Member
You aren't being told you can't do it in a group that believes the same as you. In fact you have your very own places to go to be with that group.
Christian schools.
Home schooling.
Churches.
Its great that you can recognize -
Now see if you can recognize why having your very own schools and places to worship doesn't seem to be good enough for you.
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
If we continue to adapt, we will no longer be what we once were. Sort of my comment about going from Little House on the Prairie to the Purge. Each new generation is offended by something.
If it only stopped at school prayer, I’d say you’re right. But it wasn’t that long ago that churches and Pastors were under fire about turning over their sermons and threatened to be forced into performing gay marriages when they didn’t believe in it.
For the record for the both of you, I’m not disagreeing with either of you about prayer in school. Part of my Christian upbringing is to treat people the same way I want to be treated. I wouldn’t want to be forced to listen to a prayer that I didn’t believe in, so I wouldn’t want that forced on others. What I would like to see is no one making a big deal about a coach and his team praying if they’re all of the same believe.
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
I honestly could not care less about what people who are like minded do when they are all in agreement and in their own setting. As long as they aren't telling me or others what we should be doing, live and let live.
Ive never complained to any politician, local or otherwise, about anything religious around town, or a manger scene at xmas or anything like that. I wish people Merry Christmas. I bow my head in a church when at a wedding. I respect the religious people around me and the traditions. I've been in business for myself for 22 years and I'd bet there is not a customer of mine that would know my beliefs or unbeliefs.
But, I gladly play devils advocate when they insist on telling me things they cannot possibly know.
WaltL1
Senior Member
Churches get big tax breaks. By taking those tax breaks they subject themselves to all kind of rules and regulations.
How to fix it?
Don't take the tax breaks. Let God provide.
By the way guess who pays for those tax breaks?
But that's just it. Public schools are attended by the public. The % of the public who are NOT Christian has been steadily increasing for years.
The % of the public that ARE Christians have been steadily declining for years.
Its time for Christians to accept that fact, quit whining, and go to Christian schools where they can pray all day if they want.
How about -
"Team gather around. Lets take a minute of silence and get our heads straight. Think about whatever you want during this time that gets your head in the game and then we are going to go out there and kick their butts"!
You good with that?
Seems pretty simple to me
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
Interesting..........The NFL is allowed to kneel while we tax payers pay for the NFL tax breaks........because it’s “their right to kneel”
The churches need to stop taking the tax break if they want to preach their convictions.........And the attack on religion is not real??? Boy that’s a double standard!
And this response is not directed at you personally, I just used it since you brought it up.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
Reminds me of the commercial;
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
Lol true!
Israel
BANNED
Resentment... around the 3 minute mark...but the whole of it speaks
"you go after the unknown..."
In another talk he quoted one who said "the thing you will find that helps you the most is by looking in the place you do not want to look"
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
That He became (for me) what is rejected of men, that He became (for me) what appeared smitten of God, that He became (for me) what all intelligence whether in earth, or Heaven itself, seemed to abandon...that I might be received...and in so doing manifest the plain "disabled" state of man...dead...undone...ineffective...a scorn and shame...lifeless
Look!
Look where you would not!
"you go after the unknown..."
In another talk he quoted one who said "the thing you will find that helps you the most is by looking in the place you do not want to look"
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
That He became (for me) what is rejected of men, that He became (for me) what appeared smitten of God, that He became (for me) what all intelligence whether in earth, or Heaven itself, seemed to abandon...that I might be received...and in so doing manifest the plain "disabled" state of man...dead...undone...ineffective...a scorn and shame...lifeless
Look!
Look where you would not!
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gemcgrew
Senior Member
I sometimes raid the camp of zero and they don't even know it.
BTW, I do not think that Christians love their country along with their God.
Artfuldodger
Senior Member
Would you say the concept of adding God and country is man made? Maybe if a government can instill in it's people that if you love God & country, you'll be for their way of thinking. Such as a certain war or as in the past taking someone else's land.
Maybe this is why the "under God" phrase was added. Do it for God. God and country.
Just curious, do you not say the Pledge of Allegiance?
It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist.
(Not that there is anything wrong with that.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
"In 1891, Bellamy was "forced from his Boston pulpit for preaching against the evils of capitalism"
"Bellamy "believed in the absolute separation of church and state" and did not include the phrase "under God" within his original pledge."
"In 1954, in response to the perceived threat of secular Communism, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge that is recited today."
I guess the "under God" phrase was added more as an anti-communism message than for the love of God. Meaning God was against Communism. Because all Communist are Atheist but not all Atheist are Communist.
But the preacher wasn't a Communist, just a socialist.
A lot of Churches have beginnings in socialism and commune living. Bellamy also preached "spreading the wealth."
At least he was smart enough to keep religion separate from government.
gemcgrew
Senior Member
Until it isn't.
I am the handsome non-Christian in the picture. Even then, I found it a bit odd that we would pledge allegiance to the flag and sing the Star Spangled Banner. Then we would pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and sing Onward Christian Soldiers.
The non-Christian fits right in, when the major is patriotism and the minor is Jesus.
Interesting. That is exactly the mindset of a Muslim jihadist, also.
bullethead
Of the hard cast variety
A nation that acknowledges the inherent rights of it's citizens is worth honoring.
Spotlite
Resident Homesteader
You thought wrong. Christians love their country and respects those that have authority. The Christian prays for God to continue to bless their country.
gemcgrew
Senior Member
In China, Russia, Afghanistan etc.?
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