Excuses for Trespassing

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by GOTCHA

the smallest tract of land i hunt is over 500 acres....still have to cross property lines sometimes. It may be your land but it's my dog....If one of those prized bird dogs you have ran across my property line after a single would you just leave it and hope it came back? Animals ignore property lines....thats domestic or wild animals so you can only do what you can do and thats retrieve what is yours...

My bird dog wears an e-collar with a beep feature. He is trained to "here" on the beep. He also wears a bell. He is trained for a walking hunter, or one on a golf cart. He hardly ever gets out of my sight. I know where he is 100 percent of the time. I do not turn him out in the dark of the night. He does not chase his quarry, he points it, and is stanch on point and steady to wing. I quit using big-running pointers because there aren't enough birds, I can't keep up with them, and because I don't have literally thousands of acres to hunt on like I did back in the 60s and 70s.

Every bird hunter has lost a dog, or crossed a fence to pick up a dead bird or a live dog. In nearly 50 years of quail hunting, I can't remember ever going on land where I didn't have permission. Also, bird hunters do not start their hunts at dark, knowing there is a better than even chance their dogs will chase their prey across three or four land lines before daylight.

The fact that "my dog can't read that posted sign," or "animals ignore land lines" is a mighty poor excuse for trespassing. There are plenty of very legitimate reasons for me, or any other landowner, not wanting a bunch of dogs, vehicles, and hunters on my land. I enumerated them in the post on the other thread. I started this thread so as to not completely hijack the other one. From the attitudes expressed in this forum, and from experience, I have to say that hog-doggers have about as little regard for other people's property as any group I know of. If your dog can't read, and you are going to use that as an excuse to trespass, then you should just keep him in the box.

I realize this is a dead horse, but I have just recently had a bunch of outlaws trespassing on my property. They had permission to hunt a particular tract where peanuts were on the ground, but their dogs had to cross another 400 acre tract to get on my property.

[irocz2u]

at the most should of retrieved the dogs and left your land

[Randy]

How times have changed. I remember when I was a kid my Grandfather and I could start on one end of the county and walk to the other and find a farmer that would let us use his phone to call and get a ride back home. Of course we had permission to travel across most of that land and stayed off land we did not have permission to go on. But if we had to cross somebody's land to get a dog or to get to another piece of property the owners were not so "hung up" as to not allow it. "Just passing through" as my Grandfather would say. But I guesswe as hunters have kind of brought it on ourselves. Trashing others property as we "passed through" (which we NEVER did by the way) or shooting animals on a piece of property as we passed through (which we also never did) and then there is that lease fee that we dreamed up. As hunters we thought it was a good idea to offer a farmer a little money if he woudl let only us tresspass. Can't blame a farmer for taking the offering but we have now created a business out of it. Can't call farner John and ask him if you can hunt his place anymore becasue somebody else is paying him to hunt it.

I miss the good old days where a man shared his land with friends and in turn the firends shared his bounty.

[cajunl]

the smallest tract of land i hunt is over 500 acres....still have to cross property lines sometimes. It may be your land but it's my dog....If one of those prized bird dogs you have ran across my property line after a single would you just leave it and hope it came back? Animals ignore property lines....thats domestic or wild animals so you can only do what you can do and thats retrieve what is yours

Sadly this way of thinking is slowly eroding our dog hunting privileges.

It will not change and we will slowly lose our dog hunting areas county by county and state by state.

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by Randy

I miss the good old days where a man shared his land with friends and in turn the firends shared his bounty.

I still share my land with friends.

[curdogsforhogs]

Thats the problem and it also hurts the game by all the sectioning of land. Game is being forced out of areas by developement and tracts are dissapearing at alarming rates. I would rather see more land used as WMA here myself then leased out to private partys. We mainly hunt WMA's here with my group of hogdoggers and getting on someone elses property is hardly an issue. Times have certainly changed and I would have to say not neccessarily for the good of the many. If hogs are an issue than most farmers would be glad to have them removed from thier land. And in the past that would have been the case. No one likes to have someone they dont know tearing across their property without permission at all hours of the night. Thats understandable today giving concerns for property and welfare. Again we spend more time on here beating down fellow hunters and aruing amongst ourselves then banding together and protecting our rights to hunt. There are groups that like to see us going at each other while they slip in and try and slip in and rem ove our hunting freedoms.

[COUNTRY MIKE]

its happened to everyone i do everything that i can to prevent it and its hardly ever happens but what i have done in the past is contact the land owner asap and then retreive my dog and nothing else my ? for you red level and this is not an attack but since you hate hogs and hoghunters why do you even wast your time on this forum if i dont like someone i stay away from them and like i said this is not an attack just wondering

[JohnE]

I dont care what your bird dogs do, those are bird dogs. Your dogs are trained to stay near you, like you said.
If hog dogs stayed in your sight you would not have the problem of them crossing fences, but you would not catch any hogs. See what im getting at?

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by COUNTRY MIKE

its happened to everyone i do everything that i can to prevent it and its hardly ever happens but what i have done in the past is contact the land owner asap and then retreive my dog and nothing else my ? for you red level and this is not an attack but since you hate hogs and hoghunters why do you even wast your time on this forum if i dont like someone i stay away from them and like i said this is not an attack just wondering

I don't hate hog hunters. I despise trespassers, and I despise people who turn feral hogs out. If a hog hunter happens to fall in either or both categories, then so be it. I have nothing against any hunter of any kind who respects property and abides by the law.

I come here because I am not one to just ignore a problem. And besides that, its fun.

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by JohnE

I dont care what your bird dogs do, those are bird dogs. Your dogs are trained to stay near you, like you said.
If hog dogs stayed in your sight you would not have the problem of them crossing fences, but you would not catch any hogs. See what im getting at?

What I am afraid you are getting at is that you are so arrogant that you think that if you can't catch hogs without trespassing, then that makes it ok for you to trespass, and that I should just understand that that's the way it is.

About right?

[hogdogtw008]

what does NO TRESPASSING mean?

[JohnE]

Originally Posted by redlevel

What I am afraid you are getting at is that you are so arrogant that you think that if you can't catch hogs without trespassing, then that makes it ok for you to trespass, and that I should just understand that that's the way it is.

About right?

Im tryin to say that the dogs are not always in your sight, in a perfect world we would have control of them like you do your bird dogs but we dont, it is completely different than bird hunting.

I dont like trespassing either, but if i have to go and get my dogs i will try to go in and get out as quick as i can.

[Florida Curdog]

If my dogs go on somebody else's land I'm going to get them. I hunt the state land that borders the property I hunt. That land belongs to we the taxpayers any way. I see it as one big lease even though it is posted. Our tax dollars pay for it and I hunt it. Thanks Jimmy

[bigreddwon]

I know some guys use training collars to send some voltage to a new dog when it runs deer or somethng else it shouldn't do. What about long range " tones " that they are trained to come back on they hear them? Or a little "voltage" when they don't? With all the long range gps and other gear they are wearing, seems like some gear to make em mind their handlers could help keep you guys out of spots you don't want to be in?

[COUNTRY MIKE]

Originally Posted by redlevel

My bird dog wears an e-collar with a beep feature. He is trained to "here" on the beep. He also wears a bell. He is trained for a walking hunter, or one on a golf cart. He hardly ever gets out of my sight. I know where he is 100 percent of the time. I do not turn him out in the dark of the night. He does not chase his quarry, he points it, and is stanch on point and steady to wing. I quit using big-running pointers because there aren't enough birds, I can't keep up with them, and because I don't have literally thousands of acres to hunt on like I did back in the 60s and 70s.

Every bird hunter has lost a dog, or crossed a fence to pick up a dead bird or a live dog. In nearly 50 years of quail hunting, I can't remember ever going on land where I didn't have permission. Also, bird hunters do not start their hunts at dark, knowing there is a better than even chance their dogs will chase their prey across three or four land lines before daylight.

The fact that "my dog can't read that posted sign," or "animals ignore land lines" is a mighty poor excuse for trespassing. There are plenty of very legitimate reasons for me, or any other landowner, not wanting a bunch of dogs, vehicles, and hunters on my land. I enumerated them in the post on the other thread. I started this thread so as to not completely hijack the other one. From the attitudes expressed in this forum, and from experience, I have to say that hog-doggers have about as little regard for other people's property as any group I know of. If your dog can't read, and you are going to use that as an excuse to trespass, then you should just keep him in the box.

I realize this is a dead horse, but I have just recently had a bunch of outlaws trespassing on my property. They had permission to hunt a particular tract where peanuts were on the ground, but their dogs had to cross another 400 acre tract to get on my property.

fair enough maybe i mistook your commit on hog doggers and other posts everyone is welcome but i hope you understand that you get idiots in everything even birdhunting i birdhunt myself but not every hog dogger,hunter whatever are outlaws or bad people im sorry if you have had some bad experiences but were not all bad i can say for a fact that myself and the people that i run with try to do whats right and obay the laws and respect all landowners and there property if the chance is good that we will end up on someones property that doesnt want us there then we find somewhere else we dont want trouble we just want to have fun and make memories in our sport just like when you bird hunt with all do respect country mike

[GOTCHA]

i don't think its ok to trespass....but i do think that if i do go over your property line to get my dog, then you should be kind enough to let me do so...i've been on both ends of the trespassing so i know how it is to have someone rambling over your property....we have pointers too..my brother in law shocked one and we found him about 2 miles away....things happen property lines get crossed....it sounds to me like you are trying to find something to whine about.....hogs are gonna be in middle and south georgia if you like it or not....so either find some good dogger to get along with and abide by your rules or keep whining

[GOTCHA]

Originally Posted by cajunl

Sadly this way of thinking is slowly eroding our dog hunting privileges.

It will not change and we will slowly lose our dog hunting areas county by county and state by state.

what would you do then rockstar? how has my middle Georgia way of thinking eroding your central Florida dog hunting priviledges?

[cajunl]

EASY Killer!!

I have permission To go get my Dogs back on EVERY neighboring property I have to hunt. Not hunt all of it but to go get my dogs back. I tell them I have permission to hunt the neighbors property and will try in every way possible to stay off their property. 75 % of the time they say go ahead 23% say if you see hogs on my land catch them and hunt here also but stay away from the cows. 2% tell me to pound sand and I dont go on there.

Its not just you Georgia Hillbillies. Its Florida,SC,La, Alabama.
I hog hunted with my dad in Dooly County in the 80's.

It is everywhere. Me and my buddies own a nice hunting lease. We used to run deer dogs still do on most occasion but the state of Fl make it too big a deal and we went to a all still hunt club. 1/4 of the members are deer doggers or ex doggers. We are next to 30,000 acres of a handfull of state land that still allows dog hunting.

Yet Every year I have to beg and plead to the members to not call the law for all the dogs on our private land. I know you cant keep them all off posted land. But you can not dump a box of cur dogs or hounds on the fence line of posted land. The Game Wardens I talk too BEG and BEG the state to stop the dog hunting. Way to much trouble.

It is slowly ending for dog hunters. Go over to the deer hunting section and ask them about deer dogs in Georgia and good lord hold on.

Dont think so

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife_abuse/c...ng_states.html

I use deer hunting as an example but when deer dogs go so do hog dogs, maybe before. Once it is gone it will never come back.

They are coming for us everywhere. Make no mistake about it.



It is the attitude " I don't care who's land it is, I can get my dogs"

Not the Attitude"Man I got to do everything I can to keep my dog from going over there"

I first learned walking behind beagles chasing rabbit, And hope to die chasing big game hounds. But we have gotten very sloppy policing ourselves.

what would you do then rockstar?

I am more of a Country Music Superstar. More my style cuz!

[POP-A-TOP]

Point well stated....

Gotcha--The picture in your avatar, is that dog dead?

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by GOTCHA

i don't think its ok to trespass....but i do think that if i do go over your property line to get my dog, then you should be kind enough to let me do so...

Of course he should. Why should you

A. Be responsible for controlling your dog.

B. Have to be courteous enough to ask for permission first.

After all, its' all "one big lease".

[southerntaco98]

no 1 can tell me i cant hunt with dogs on my land. and if they go to the land next door im goin to get them weather you care or not. and who ever try to tell me diff can drive there truck off a cliff.

hope thats mod approved

[win280]

[quote=GOTCHA;4224881]i don't think its ok to trespass....but i do think that if i do go over your property line to get my dog, then you should be kind enough to let me do so...

Then you should be kind enough to let me come visit your house while you are getting your dogs off my land.
Same situation in reverse.
Non't being serious, but makes you think about the other person?

[GOTCHA]

dog in my avator is not dead...you can come in your yard to get your pooch but not my house....don't hunt during deer season much and either way my dogs don't bark but maybe once....so you probably won't even know i'm there...i've never had any problems with it...i'm just saying no matter where i'm hunting and where my dogs go...I will follow them...if its across the river or the property line

[GOTCHA]

I understand your problems cajun but I just don't have them...when a situation comes about...i'll have to keep them away from the property but til then i'll turn them loose on the property line.

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by southerntaco98

no 1 can tell me i cant hunt with dogs on my land. and if they go to the land next door im goin to get them weather you care or not. and who ever try to tell me diff can drive there truck off a cliff.

hope thats mod approved

Originally Posted by GOTCHA

...i'm just saying no matter where i'm hunting and where my dogs go...I will follow them...if its across the river or the property line

In other words you are admitting to being a trespasser and you don't intend to change.

Do you people really think it is your God-given right to trespass? Or do you just have no more respect than that for private property rights?

[POP-A-TOP]

Ignorance is Bliss!!!!

[Resica]

Originally Posted by redlevel

In other words you are admitting to being a trespasser and you don't intend to change.

Do you people really think it is your God-given right to trespass? Or do you just have no more respect than that for private property rights?

I'll go with that one.

[JohnE]

Redlevel, you need to give it a break.
Any hogdogger that cares for his dogs at all is going to cross a fence to get them back.

Why are you so scared to have someone on step on your land for 5 minutes? You think they might catch a hog, something that you hate so much? Or do you have a whiskey still or pot plants you dont want them to find?

[Nicodemus]

Originally Posted by JohnE

Redlevel, you need to give it a break.
Any hogdogger that cares for his dogs at all is going to cross a fence to get them back.

Why are you so scared to have someone on step on your land for 5 minutes? You think they might catch a hog, something that you hate so much? Or do you have a whiskey still or pot plants you dont want them to find?

It`s his land. Not leased land, or land that he has permission to get on, but HIS. To do with as he sees fit. If he doesn`t want anybody on it, that`s nobodys business but his own. That ain`t hard to understand. Folks need to just respect a mans land a little better, and things might be a whole lot more well off.

[JohnE]

You got to give a little bit of respect to earn it sometimes

[Steve Thompson]

Amen!!
I really dont appreciate it, especially someone I dont know, much less an aquantance or friend of a friend without asking. How stupid is that. I ask friends over for all that.

[Nicodemus]

Originally Posted by JohnE

You got to give a little bit of respect to earn it sometimes

Not when it comes to trespassin` on a mans land, it don`t.

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by JohnE

You got to give a little bit of respect to earn it sometimes

The respect of a trespasser means little to me.

I'm not asking for your respect, anyhow. I'm asking you to respect private property rights.

[simpleman30]

anymore, a man who owns 5 acres acts like he owns 5000. for this reason, as doghunters we have to do our best to contact the landowner or establish a relationship with them so we can give them a call and request we retreive our dogs. we run into this nearly every weekend running deer dogs. luckily, we hunt on 14,000 acres that is surrounded by 100,000+ acres of other deer-dog clubs. we catch each others' dogs, call the owner, and meet up halfway. not everyone has the luxury of being surrounded by fellow dog-clubs, but you still have to at least ATTEMPT to make nice with your neighbors. i've been on both sides of the argument and you have to go above and beyond so that the crybaby next door won't call the law on you.

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by simpleman30

anymore, a man who owns 5 acres acts like he owns 5000.

you have to go above and beyond so that the crybaby next door won't call the law on you.

Wow. What a degree of arrogance. Now a five-acre landowner isn't important, and someone who wants you to stop trespassing is a crybaby.

Speaks volumes.

[simpleman30]

my dad lives on 5 acres, but he doesn't call the law when he finds a neighborhood kid looking for his puppy nor when a deerhunter comes up and looks for his deerhound on or around his property.

[ALLBEEF]

Originally Posted by southerntaco98

no 1 can tell me i cant hunt with dogs on my land. and if they go to the land next door im goin to get them weather you care or not. and who ever try to tell me diff can drive there truck off a cliff.

hope thats mod approved

In my opinion - this is exactly the attitude that got this thread started.

[Nicodemus]

I tell ya`ll what, and I`ll use ol Redlevel as an example. I don`t know Redlevel form Adams housecat, except from right here on the forum, but I would bet a good sum of money, that if I went up and knocked on his door, and asked permission to go get my dog off his place, he would let me. He would probably fire his tractor up and come pull me out of a bog too.

It`s all in how you approach folks, and treat em. A lot of that has been forgotten, in todays times.

[hevishot]

once again, the doggers show their lack of respect, lack of education and lack of common sense....looks like most of your folks failed miserably and the rest of us are the ones to suffer for it. Seems like y'all would just do right and promote good in your sport instead of continuing to act like you are the baddest dudes who ever took a breath...same stuff, different day.

[HandgunHTR]

Originally Posted by hevishot

once again, the doggers show their lack of respect, lack of education and lack of common sense....looks like most of your folks failed miserably and the rest of us are the ones to suffer for it. Seems like y'all would just do right and promote good in your sport instead of continuing to act like you are the baddest dudes who ever took a breath...same stuff, different day.

Exactly!


I will also say that if you knocked on my door and asked to retrieve your dogs from my property, I would probably put on my boots, grab a flashlight (if needed) and help you catch them.

But coming onto my property unannounced, without permission and armed is a really good way to get shot.

[ArmyTaco]

Originally Posted by hevishot

once again, the doggers show their lack of respect, lack of education and lack of common sense....looks like most of your folks failed miserably and the rest of us are the ones to suffer for it. Seems like y'all would just do right and promote good in your sport instead of continuing to act like you are the baddest dudes who ever took a breath...same stuff, different day.

[JohnE]

Most of the time I would try to get ahold of the owner, but if my dogs have a big toothy boar hog caught across the fence, then there is not time to go and knock on your door
I dont care if you and a game warden are watching me jump the fence, i am gonna get my dogs

[thomas gose]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus

It`s all in how you approach folks, and treat em. A lot of that has been forgotten, in todays times.

This is to true. Our coon hounds have crossed property lines too many times, it happens when you have big running dogs but we have always tried to make contact with land owners and knock on doors be it at a proper hour. other wise i do my level headed best to make the retreival of my hounds unknown! not to hide the fact i was there but so nothing has changed when ive left. we dont take game and we dont leave tire tracks or trash and if possible we contact the owner the next day. doing so has gotten us permission to retreive our dogs when needed from alot of these private places.

[georgia_home]

just curious... for all those here...

if someone came into you HOUSE uninvited and unwelcome... what would you do them?

it may only be for 5 minutes or however long. what would you do?

maybe you had your garage door open and the interior door open... they just came in to get their dog OUT OF YOUR HOUSE...

[HOGDOG76]

I dont advocate trespass but what would you do if your child who doesnt know property lines wanders onto my property headed for my mean dog tied to a tree? Will you go to my door and hope im there? If im not will you cross your fingers and hope for the best? Maybe some of those saying there is no way they would trespass should consider this because i bet this situation would make hypocrites of most of you

[awr72]

i dont think yall are really helping hound hunter landowner relationship very much,i might have it wrong but yall are saying i dont care whose property it is im going to my dogs????just hope yall remember what your property means to you and your not hunting to survive , just sport,or maybe removal not a living.i can see why some folks are going to other control options

[Swampagator]

I don’t care if you’re a hog hunter, deer hunter or bird hunter I catch you on my land without permission you’re going to jail. Just ask my neighbor and my brother-n-law I don’t care who you are or what excuse you’re using. If I shoot a deer and it crosses the land lines I go as permission to get it I don’t just jump a fence. I show respect for other folks land and expect it in return. Just cross my line and find out.

As far as dog hunting rights after having 7 dogs turned loose on me today on my own land I hope they outlaw hunting with dogs. I am feed up with it!!

[Robk]

Ouch Jim. where your at I'm sure you know who it was.

Used to have problems with folks turning out where they weren't supposed to. Left a pail of feed and a bucket of water next to my truck a few times. Hungry hounds don't know when to stop eating and then just tie them up in the bed. haul em to animal control and let the owners fork over the $50 per head and they'll quit.

[awr72]

please dont judge all of us dog hunters by statements by some of these folks.i know your land is important and you worked for it i respect anyone who lets me hunt there land ,im sorry there is that sorts out there.and i will say this the way some guys brag about their dogs youd think they had 10,000 dollars in em usally not the case at all they go through em like underwear

[HOGDOG76]

Originally Posted by Swampagator

I don’t care if you’re a hog hunter, deer hunter or bird hunter I catch you on my land without permission you’re going to jail. Just ask my neighbor and my brother-n-law I don’t care who you are or what excuse you’re using. If I shoot a deer and it crosses the land lines I go as permission to get it I don’t just jump a fence. I show respect for other folks land and expect it in return. Just cross my line and find out.

As far as dog hunting rights after having 7 dogs turned loose on me today on my own land I hope they outlaw hunting with dogs. I am feed up with it!!

YEAH HAD SOME STILL HUNTERS TRESPASS ON OUR LAND .HOPEFULLY THEY WILL OUTLAW STILL HUNTING BECAUSE IM FED UP WITH IT! GREAT LOGIC EINSTEIN:rofl