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Old 12-23-2017, 11:01 PM
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Have you ever saw a woody drake with a beak this color and with a yellow ring around the eye? I've never saw one like this and am curious . Can someone tell me what is going on?
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I have heard of really old hens that start to look like drakes because they quit producing estrogen. Can you post a picture of the body? Either way it's a cool looking bird.
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That is neat. Never seen that either. A mutation or maybe a male that can't reproduce? Hopefully someone will post that knows.
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That's cool.
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I don't have a pic of the body. It was the same color and size as the other drakes, just the head was different.
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:23 AM
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It seems way to late in the year for it, but I would have to say that is just an immature drake. They will have the yellow eye lid, white around their eye, and dull bill when they are pluming out from the duckling feathers. It does seem out though that he has completely gotten his colors this late in the year.
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It seems way to late in the year for it, but I would have to say that is just an immature drake.
Probably this^^^^^^^ they call them Summer Ducks.
Might have been born late.
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possibility of it being an XXY duck? basically a hermaphrodite... the amount of white feathering that is around that eye, and the solid yellow eyelid, is not like an eclipse drake... it's plumage of a hen, while obviously other indicators show plumage of a drake. maybe biologically it's both?
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possibility of it being an XXY duck? basically a hermaphrodite... the amount of white feathering that is around that eye, and the solid yellow eyelid, is not like an eclipse drake... it's plumage of a hen, while obviously other indicators show plumage of a drake. maybe biologically it's both?
The first year drakes have a yellow eyed lid and the white feathers around it until they start to plume out. The eye also starts out brow and turn red as it develops. Like I said earlier, it seems late to still have that plumage, but the white feathers and yellow eyelids are absolutely found on young drakes before and during their first molt. I've never seen it on a older "eclipse" drake. Here is one picture of many you can find on the internet.

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-nor...-82175794.html
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He would of been a good one next year.

Thanks for sharing. Enjoyed the convo of what it is.
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The first year drakes have a yellow eyed lid and the white feathers around it until they start to plume out. The eye also starts out brow and turn red as it develops. Like I said earlier, it seems late to still have that plumage, but the white feathers and yellow eyelids are absolutely found on young drakes before and during their first molt. I've never seen it on a older "eclipse" drake. Here is one picture of many you can find on the internet.

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-nor...-82175794.html
Still saying, there’s a discernible difference between drake eclipse (young or not) and what this duck is
Eclipse drake:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-r3eI-4iSei...0/IMG_5696.JPG

http://www.danielslim.com/wp-content...-wood-duck.jpg

https://objects.liquidweb.services/i...d_20080816.jpg

http://homeforaday.org/gallery/birds...wood_ducks.jpg

Meanwhile, intersex wood ducks/hermaphroditism/extra X chromosome

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3938/1...ff1a3965_b.jpg


http://northwestbirding.com/Images14...x_10-19-14.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7349/1...61a2762b02.jpg



Looks an awful lot like the one poster shot...
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It might be one of those millennial, left wing, Bernie Sanders drakes. You know, the ones that still haven't figured out if they want to be a dude or have surgery and be a split tail.
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Still saying, thereís a discernible difference between drake eclipse (young or not) and what this duck is
Eclipse drake:


Meanwhile, intersex wood ducks/hermaphroditism/extra X chromosome


Looks an awful lot like the one poster shot...
Between the two of us we posted three different pictures of birds that looked just like his from various places. I would find it very difficult to believe there are that many pictures floating around the internet of hermaphrodite woodducks. I guess it is possible it could be an old hen /injured hen that started developing male plumage, but she is looking almost too much like a drake for that to be real probable. The bottom line is we will never know for sure unless he sent it out for testing. Oh, and by the way, birds don't have X and Y chromosomes.
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You win the point on the chromosomes... ZZ vs ZW says google... but you donít win the point on that being a young eclipse... Itís just undeniably not what they look like... thereís something else happening here than the duck just being late to fully plume
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Iím a little late on this but Iíll share what I found. Iím no biologist but I killed one just like yours a few years back and was stumped. The best explanation that I found was that birds by default carry the male plumage but the hormones in the females dull the plumage to help nesting birds hide from predators. A hen with little or no estrogen for whatever reason will trend back toward a male colored plumage. The bill color will tell you male or female. Hope this helps.
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I believe it is LBERAL-DEMOCRATIC induced species
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