blackpowder/smokeless powder ?

Why can't you shoot smokeless powder out of a BP rifle?
I don't own one, just curious. I figured I'd go ahead and take the ribbing and flaming and just ask it.

Just don`t do it. Smokeless powder creates much more pressure than blackpowder does. This pressure will do mean and nasty things to you and your blackpowder rifle.

you can shoot smokeless powder out of a savage ML-II..but not safe in most other muzzleloaders due to pressure like Nicodemus said..

If there is any doubt whatsoever, I mean just the least little bit of doubt, consult the owners manual that came with the gun. Or contact the manufacturer. This ain`t no jokin` matter.

Because they are not built to handle the pressure generated by smokeless. Now if you had asked, why can't you use smokeless powder in a muzzleloader, the answer would be you can in the ones made for it.

http://www.savagearms.com/muzzleloader_home.htm

http://www.badbullmuzzleloaders.com/index.php?page=models

Now I myself prefer the sidelock muzzleloaders and real honest black powder.

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(0b...catId=12&subId=81&styleId=280&partNum=AAE-373

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(32...catId=12&subId=81&styleId=280&partNum=AAF-700

BUT even at that I really want one of these:

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/firearmDetails.php?ID=3842

Alas I can't afford most of those and so I got:

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=R36108101

This is my first flintlock and I enjoy it more than any other rifle except my Marlin 100G. I got my son a CVA Bobcat I think it is for $65 at Wal Mart and it shoots just fine.

For some reason I thought that BP was much more explosive/quick than smokeless.

a blown up barrel dosent feel good.

Read this link.

Muzzle Loader blowup

Bill Mc said:

Read this link.

Muzzle Loader blowup

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Two sides to every story.. http://www.gunblast.com/Muzzleloading.htm Jeff Quinn at gunblast.com discrediting Toby Bridges:

"Now for the one and only critic of the Savage muzzleloader who has extensively used the rifle; that being Toby Bridges. I have never met Mr. Bridges, but have corresponded with him. He was for years the preeminent proponent of the Savage muzzleloader, and I mention him here only because of recent developments regarding his relationship with that firearm. Recently, Mr. Bridges experienced a catastrophic failure with a Savage muzzleloader using smokeless powder. This concerned me, because I own and use an identical rifle. Mr. Bridges has published this incident on the internet, and is now advising against the use of the Savage, after years of promoting the rifle.

I want to preface my following thoughts on this matter by stating that I have no dog in this fight, and this is just my opinion, after investigating this matter as best as I could. There are, however, a few facts that pertain to the relationship of Toby Bridges and Savage Arms. Mr. Bridges worked for Savage, with the job of testing and promoting the 10MLII muzzleloader. He has fired more rounds through Savage muzzleloaders than anyone to my knowledge. After a few incidents that are none of my business resulted in Mr. Bridges having a falling out with the inventor of the rifle and a run-in with the law, Mr. Bridges also was fired by Savage Arms, for failure to perform his job, and having a really poor attitude. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Bridges suddenly had a 10ML blow up while he was supposedly testing it. The gun was utterly destroyed, but the shooter was not scratched. He was supposedly shooting a safe load in the gun; one which in fact I have exceeded many times. Now Mr. Bridges declares the Savage unsafe. This is, keep in mind, after he was let go by Savage Arms. I have seen pictures of the destroyed rifle. There is no way short of a divine miracle that someone could have been sitting behind that rifle with his cheek pressed to the stock, and have not been seriously injured. My opinion, and it is worth what you paid for it, is that the gun was intentionally blown up."

For some reason I thought that BP was much more explosive/quick than smokeless.

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Black powder does burn more quickly. It burns so quickly that it is classified as an explosive, and smokeless is not.

However the burning rate has nothing to do with pressure.

The chemical composition of black powder is such that it simply does generate as much pressure as smokeless powder.

Fat Daddy said:

Why can't you shoot smokeless powder out of a BP rifle?
I don't own one, just curious. I figured I'd go ahead and take the ribbing and flaming and just ask it.

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Because it turns into a pipe bomb. Very dangerous, and can kill you or people around you.