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Old 01-31-2018, 02:24 PM
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I know you weren't there, so what you think you know, you had to learn by it being written and passed down over many centuries.

Maybe... Just maybe, what you think you know, is the actual fraudelant claim? Maybe you've been duped by a non inspired historian?

It certainly seems more like to me you have, since Johns letter to the seven churches in Asia, is not only perfect in context, but fills the void in his Gospel..... It is Johns Olivet Discourse.
So you don't see a conflict with grace in the book of Revelation? Saved by grace maintained by works. "If you don't do this, I will spew you out of my mouth".
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So you don't see a conflict with grace in the book of Revelation? Saved by grace maintained by works. "If you don't do this, I will spew you out of my mouth".
When you consider audience relevance and the proper translation of melo, in that text, then you will understand it wasn't about spewing out a saved person at all.
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When you consider audience relevance and the proper translation of melo, in that text, then you will understand it wasn't about spewing out a saved person at all.
The entire text involving the church of Ladeocia is a train wreck. It is a church, is it not? Thus he is not talking to a secular group. " If you overcome" "If you" all over the place in Revelation. If you deny this contradicts grace then I have to conclude you have blinders on. Grace is 100%. It contains no ifs, except "remaining in grace". Grace does not weight out or measure, or label hot or cold. I'm taking my stand on grace alone
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The entire text involving the church of Ladeocia is a train wreck. It is a church, is it not? Thus he is not talking to a secular group. " If you overcome" "If you" all over the place in Revelation. If you deny this contradicts grace then I have to conclude you have blinders on. Grace is 100%. It contains no ifs, except "remaining in grace". Grace does not weight out or measure, or label hot or cold. I'm taking my stand on grace alone
Lol.... What you fail to see is if they failed He was about to spit them out. I understand your confusion, it's built on your futurist hermeneutic...... But I understand that Jesus was about to return to redeem the church body, consummate the wedding , and fully establish the Kingdom..... Those not faithfully in the body would be vomited up.

The book is of things which must soon take place, and Jesus is telling the church in laodicea, he was about to spit them out...Its a perfect text, perfect context, perfect book, and relates to all of the other books perfectly.
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The entire text involving the church of Ladeocia is a train wreck. It is a church, is it not? Thus he is not talking to a secular group. " If you overcome" "If you" all over the place in Revelation. If you deny this contradicts grace then I have to conclude you have blinders on. Grace is 100%. It contains no ifs, except "remaining in grace". Grace does not weight out or measure, or label hot or cold. I'm taking my stand on grace alone
There is instruction...in grace, is there not?

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men. It instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age, as we await the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ...

Does not our Lord bring to light for us what was plainly hidden to us in our former estate...and that being specifically in the matter of consequence...and consequences? We did not see the connections (so to speak) of a this being done here...will produce a that...there. How all things have a matter of produce?

Faith appears among mere men as the weakest of things, a sort of diaphanous and tenuous relationship to "the real"...something accounted of as less than true substance. But our Lord teaches us quite the opposite, does he not? It is in reality a very strong thing, so much so that a grain of it is capable of moving mountains...things of such seeming magnitude and gravity (to the mere man) but yet, these things are subject to faith.

How is it not the Lord's right, yes, more so the rather His duty toward those things which are His by purchase of redemption (and acknowledge it thus) now less fit to a continuance in instruction?

The Lord sees...and knows outcomes at which we may sometimes only guess or speculate upon (and likewise their effects upon the whole of His body) and exercises His authority to bring about what is benefit to all.

What you may see ( but I cannot speak for you) as perhaps threat is really not so. He is stating outcomes to what must be reproved, in order to cease walking a false way and receiving such grief as must come to whatever measure, and in whatever measure, the way of truth is abandoned.

We remain a dependent people, maybe more so in consciousness than we could have ever apprehended before. And in this dependence (at least I am discovering) is much need for reminder. It is not that we have not heard, not been told, but there remains that admonition always, which is always of benefit..."be careful how you hear".

Yes grace. Grace even exercised in being willing to repeat, to our benefit, those things that we might think are so plain...but yet in some way have not been allowed their full course through us.
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This song has been so much on my heart and in my mind and mouth...in relating to the OP.

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