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Old 02-12-2018, 09:30 PM
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Then why is it found in states that don't allow baiting. And would small food plots do the same thing? It seems as though most people on here plant really small foodplots. 2 acres or less.

Itís probably because not everyone follows the bait law and those same people doing that probably donít spread corn over a two acre area either.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:31 PM
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Just to be clear; it isn't CAUSED by baiting, it is more easily spread by concentrating them in one location and doing things such as sharing the same feed spout on the feeder IF there is already one in the herd that has CWD.

It is spread from state to state in the back of a truck or stock trailer as deer move from one deer farm to another...sometimes legally but more often illegally. Once it gets here the baiting will cause it to spread more quickly.
So why do states allow baiting or in the case of Georgia half the state?
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So why do states allow baiting or in the case of Georgia half the state?
To test the population to see if corn really causes CWD or not.
Bet!
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So why do states allow baiting or in the case of Georgia half the state?
Because we don't have CWD here yet...as far as we know...
Probably shouldn't though.
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To test the population to see if corn really causes CWD or not.
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Naw. You have a legit reason. Unlike brown trousers memes.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:01 PM
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Is there another state split in half like Ga?
If so thats a test too.
Itís my theory here nothing solid. Who knows?
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And you still canít kill anything.

You actually probably have a better chance at hitting a buck with your pickup than shooting one
That wa hurtful.
I shot a deer at 25í this year. Ha ha.
I was sitting on the ground by my tree climber. My gout was hurting my knee and shoulder.
Got him with a 270. Lols.

I did figure out what triggered my attacks. It was mixed nuts in the can. I was eating them as snacks.

I maybe able to bow hunt again. May still not get one with it.

See there folks corn does not help me one bit. We
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:49 PM
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The actual wildlife biologists who study the animal and the disease say it does and they have the data to back it up.

But they all work for the government so they are not to be trusted.
Yeah a well respected wildlife biologist, in this state, once vehemently told me that coyotes don't prey on deer.

The man would get angry when people would suggested otherwise. Supposedly, he "had the data" to prove "free range" dogs were more of a threat than coyotes.

C'mon. If baiting increases the risk of CWD, by concentrating the animals, then common sense tells you food plots do too.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how pouring corn is a CWD risk, but planting it ain't.
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:33 PM
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It depends upon what the meaning of the word is is.
Corn that is
ďImported from another areaĒ and now localized into a small area has to be seen of some differences than corn stalk grown in local ground and in a technically large area.
Goes back to the test theory I mentioned.
Maybe, maybe not.
No matter who you are you have got to see it from all sides.
For it. Against it. Good. Bad. And most important is
WHAT IF.
Itís the last two nobody completly understands when it comes down to CWD.
Some donít know enough to care. Some know and still donít care. Some know just better not. It is all in who you know. Not what you know just yet. I know I donít know so I donít plant for deer anymore either. What happened to nature at its best? NO BODY KNOWS.
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Yeah a well respected wildlife biologist, in this state, once vehemently told me that coyotes don't prey on deer.

The man would get angry when people would suggested otherwise. Supposedly, he "had the data" to prove "free range" dogs were more of a threat than coyotes.

C'mon. If baiting increases the risk of CWD, by concentrating the animals, then common sense tells you food plots do too.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how pouring corn is a CWD risk, but planting it ain't.
They both are CWD risks!!
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Yeah a well respected wildlife biologist, in this state, once vehemently told me that coyotes don't prey on deer.

The man would get angry when people would suggested otherwise. Supposedly, he "had the data" to prove "free range" dogs were more of a threat than coyotes.

C'mon. If baiting increases the risk of CWD, by concentrating the animals, then common sense tells you food plots do too.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how pouring corn is a CWD risk, but planting it ain't.
Food plots do increase the risk of infection. But on a much different scale.

Take for instance, RedneckRichie's corn pile. It's like a stagnant puddle of rain water that never moves compared to a food plot that would be a lake.. Even if his corn is broadcast from a feeder the 5 ft radius never moves. It's there 24/7 365 days a year. Throw in folks that have trough feeders and pvc tubes tied to trees that every deer sticks his head in the same place to eat.

Food plots aren't a year long item and if they are, they've been plowed, replanted and are on a lot larger scale the Richies 5ft corn pile. And RedneckRichies corn pile hasn't changed a bit. The ground underneath it hasn't moved at all. Feces & saliva has been left there over and over and over again.

Under a baiting and feeding ban, disease outbreaks are more likely to be smaller in scale and more apt to be contained or eliminated. It's been proven.
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What exactly defines a large population of deer congregated in one area? 3 deer? 5 deer? 10 deer? I personally do not believe I have ever seen this large population they speak of in these North Georgia Mountians. Nor would I even if their was a corn feeder up.
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Food plots do increase the risk of infection. But on a much different scale.

Take for instance, RedneckRichie's corn pile. It's like a stagnant puddle of rain water that never moves compared to a food plot that would be a lake.. Even if his corn is broadcast from a feeder the 5 ft radius never moves. It's there 24/7 365 days a year. Throw in folks that have trough feeders and pvc tubes tied to trees that every deer sticks his head in the same place to eat.

Food plots aren't a year long item and if they are, they've been plowed, replanted and are on a lot larger scale the Richies 5ft corn pile. And RedneckRichies corn pile hasn't changed a bit. The ground underneath it hasn't moved at all. Feces & saliva has been left there over and over and over again.

Under a baiting and feeding ban, disease outbreaks are more likely to be smaller in scale and more apt to be contained or eliminated. It's been proven.
Sounds like a lot of straining and stretching to me.

"If you have a permanent corn pile....
"If there is a disease outbreak.....
"If an infected deer came to the corn pile.....
"The disease would spread, so lets ban baiting.

If there is an outbreak of CWD, it is going to spread, corn piles or not.

But, I guess you could say "Eliminating baiting would slow down the spread of CWD, if there ever was an outbreak in Georgia."


If that is your position, I won't argue with it.

All the research proves is that if you take drastic measures (ban baiting), you can slow the spread of the disease. That gives up a lot, in my opinion, in order to gain very little. Its a lot of negative, for very little positive.

"Lets stop all feeding and baiting, so if we ever have an outbreak of CWD, it won't spread as fast"
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We are never going to agree on the topic. People that want to bait are going to give their reasons why we should. People who don't like it are going to give theirs. My opinion is: I love the outdoors and all of it's creatures. I don't do anything that will do undue harm. We try to do as much as we can to improve habitat for all wildlife (without doing harm). It is just that my opinion and we all know about those. Go and do what makes you happy within the law. If they legalize baiting, I still won't do it.
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"Lets stop all feeding and baiting, so if we ever have an outbreak of CWD, it won't spread as fast"
And ban mineral licks and ban food plots and deer urine scent products.

Better to ban too much than too little to slow down CWD spread.

Yes I said ban food plots
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"Lets stop all feeding and baiting, so if we ever have an outbreak of CWD, it won't spread as fast"
And ban mineral licks and ban food plots and deer urine scent products.

Better to ban too much than too little to slow down CWD spread.

Yes I said ban food plots if CWD is found in Georgia
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If people eat chickens and cows stomping around in their own poop they'll eat deer congregating at a corn pile. You nasty hunters.
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Yeah a well respected wildlife biologist, in this state, once vehemently told me that coyotes don't prey on deer.
I probably know the one you're talking about. Your problem is the overwhelming majority of state and federal wildlife biologists agree with him on CWD and baiting.

CWD was just found in Mississippi. Guess what their DNR did as a result? Banned baiting in all the counties surrounding the county where the infected deer was killed. None of their wildlife biologists work for GA WRD.

The science on this is overwhelmingly conclusive whether you like who is delivering the verdict or not. Baiting with corn is a primary disease transmission vector for CWD.

You or anybody else saying you don't believe it is just you or anybody else you don't believe it. I'm betting you have no scientific data to back up your disbelief.
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And ban mineral licks and ban food plots and deer urine scent products.

Better to ban too much than too little to slow down CWD spread.

Yes I said ban food plots if CWD is found in Georgia
For a guy that doesn't even live in this state, you sure are worried about our deer herd. Maybe you should worry about North Carolina's..
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I probably know the one you're talking about. Your problem is the overwhelming majority of state and federal wildlife biologists agree with him on CWD and baiting.

CWD was just found in Mississippi. Guess what their DNR did as a result? Banned baiting in all the counties surrounding the county where the infected deer was killed. None of their wildlife biologists work for GA WRD.

The science on this is overwhelmingly conclusive whether you like who is delivering the verdict or not. Baiting with corn is a primary disease transmission vector for CWD.

You or anybody else saying you don't believe it is just you or anybody else you don't believe it. I'm betting you have no scientific data to back up your disbelief.
You would be right. My opinion haven't been accepted by the scientific community.....yet
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Need to cut down all the oak trees,persimmon trees,and any other tree or plant that a deer could eat. Just kill all the deer so we don't risk them getting CWD and dying.
Herd reduction is a tool some states and provinces have used to slow down CWD spread.

I love hunters trying to make excuses CWD is no big deal.

Please continue
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For a guy that doesn't even live in this state, you sure are worried about our deer herd. Maybe you should worry about North Carolina's..
Considering GA is right next to NC and CWD spreads across state lines, yeah hunters in one state should be concerned what neighboring states do.

Unless you believe CWD honors geopolitical boundaries?

NC is already high on the baiting and feeding hog and that won't stop even with CWD.

The Carolinas aren't known for good deer herd management. Georgia is.

GA hasn't gotten that bad- yet.

But hey if you want your deer herd diminshed and hurt by CWD, by all means go ahead.
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You would be right. My opinion haven't been accepted by the scientific community.....yet


I'll agree with you on that opinion Pastor!
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Need to cut down all the oak trees,persimmon trees,and any other tree or plant that a deer could eat. Just kill all the deer so we don't risk them getting CWD and dying.
Especially Sawtooths......when those things are falling I can guarantee you there are more deer under my trees than over a corn pile.

It smells like a zoo on my farm when those acorns are falling. Should I cut those down?
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You would be right. My opinion haven't been accepted by the scientific community.....yet
That's because they have already done the trial and error on your opinion and found out it doesn't work.
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