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Problems With Dog Hunters
Hunted on a farm a friend owns near Statesboro
HUNTED SATURDAY morning a saw lots of activity. Let 5 bucks and 2 does walk. Saw one really nice 8 or 9 that could not get a shot on. ( Already got a nice 8 in SC last month Getting it mounted now) Saturday evening saw 3 deer close to dark but did not shoot being unsure of what they were. knew they were not the big boy I saw. Right before dark the landowners son shot a real nice 6 pointer. I was super happy for him. He had only shot a does up until then. Sunday morning. all is nice see 1 doe then all of a sudden it was like someone let 20 dogs out 100 yards away. It sounded like they were running in big circles all morning. Never saw a dog, there is a small swamp between the two areas. Last year we did chase of 2 dogs. ( not with a flying lead object although the thought crossed my mind) 1. I thought that you had to have so many acres to hunt with dogs now. There is no one with more than 200 acres next to this property. 2. Should there not be some kind of etiquitte given that the dogs were released so close. 3. We searched for the hunters after we got down, but could not find them. 4. DO dog hunters often drop there dogs off illegally and have them run across a piece of property pushing deer to them on there property? How could you catch them if that was the case. FRUSTRATED 
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10-22-2007, 11:58 AM
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1. You do have to have a certain number of acreage (not necessarily under one ownership, but contiguous) to DEER hunt with dogs - could it have been rabbit hunters?
2. Etiquette is great, but not enforceable... 3. Better luck next time. 4. Not TOO often now if they care about their dogs, trucks, & guns... They have to be somewhere to see the deer come out (if that is what they are doing), so they aren't that hard to catch & with todays regulations & possibility of losing their permit, the dog hunting clubs seem to be doing a better job of policing themselves...
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10-22-2007, 01:04 PM
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The dogs you heard may have been free running yard dogs. They hunt just like real hunting breed dogs do. Hard to say if you didn't see them or see the dog owner.
Dogs that hunt typically trail the animal until the dogs get close and animal is "jumped". That is where the animal's scent trail is suddenly smoking fresh and hot. That is also where the dogs usually begin barking like crazy. The sound tells the dog hunters the dogs have just jumped the quarry and is hot on his/her trail. Dave |
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10-22-2007, 03:12 PM
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Don't be to fast to blame it on a dog hunter. There are plenty of other possibilities, espicially if you didn't see anything.
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10-22-2007, 04:08 PM
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rabbit Hounds~~~~~~~~~"
I live up here, in N.E. Ga. where it is not legal, to run deer with hounds. I do have a pack of Rabbit Hounds, Beagles and I train and condition them year round, here on my own property. I do not rabbit hunt on Sundays, go to Church., My hounds are trained, to run only rabbits. I do not gun hunt, untill most of the deer hunters are out of the woods. Good Advise, don't ever consider shooting anyone dogs!! Would be a big mistake! Small Game hunters, have rights also.
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10-22-2007, 04:47 PM
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Up here it is only "Legal" to shoot a dog that is running deer from 01Jan to 31Aug each year by anyone who see's a dog running deer/moose/elk.
From 01Sept to 31Dec only Law Enforcement officers may dispatch dogs running deer/moose/elk. Mike
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10-22-2007, 04:57 PM
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Alright... now that i've had some time to cool down and revise my original post that was deleted, here it goes! Not only am I a still hunter but I am a dog hunter first. I have numerous points to make on this topic and I hope to cover any questions i can for both sides. I understand the frustration that many still hunters hold against doghunters b/c i lease 500 acres for still-hunting only but it is surrounded by a large dog club. I have been in the stand and had dogs run a deer by me. If i can take an accurate shot, I will do so and do my best to help the dog's owners retrieve their dogs and even share the meat with them. After all, it was their dogs that helped me kill the deer. The common idea among some stillhunters that "dogs will run every deer off my property" is simply false. Sure, it may disrupt a deer's pattern for a day or two but if the deer is not killed, it will be back on the same property within days, if not hours. Many people, especially those who manage their herd do not care for doghunters in any sense of the word! But guess what guys.... that's just the way it is. People are different and enjoy different ways of enjoying the sport of hunting. Just like in other areas of life, there are conflicts of interest even w/in similar circles of activities. The bottomline is that we are all neighbors, and we must respect each others rights and privileges as hunters. Some stillhunters refuse to doghunt and some doghunters refuse to stillhunt. There is however 2 sides to each story and respect of the other is required by each. As a member of a 4000+/- acre dog club in Bulloch County, I along with others in my club have had run-ins with one of our neighbors. This individual is impossible to please. We do not hunt near his property in mornings or evenings when he may be in the stand. He complained about dogs getting on his property so we cut a road in along the property line... he cussed us out and threated to call the DNR for disrupting his hunting... ON OUR LAND!!! The guy was preturbed b/c he couldn't trespass and hunt his cornpiles on our land now. This individual is the primary cause for our club recieving multiple warnings from the state last year. Other neighbors have requested that we not shoot too close to their homes and we honor those requests as logically as possible. We lease property around a church that we do not hunt, w/ dogs or otherwise, on Sundays out of respect for the members of that church. Our club, along w/ countless others in the state, are literally bending over backwards to accomodate the wishes of our neighbors, whether they are hunters and nonhunters, so that we can enjoy the sport we love so much. A lot of this bending is not comfortable to us and takes practice and adjusting to after years of doing as we pleased within the law with minimal complaints. As far as the laws regarding deer hunting with dogs, some has changed in recent months and even officers in my club are unaware of these changes. A club, group, or individual must lease a minimum of 1000 acres to receive a permit to hunt deer w/ dogs on that property. To receive a permit for that property, they must have written permission from the landowner to hunt deer with dogs on the property. If you own the land, i believe the minimum is 250 acres. The permit # must be clearly visible on the vehicle while hunting and all dogs used during hunting must have the permit # on their collar. From my understanding, the previous law allowing a club's permit to be revoked has also been revised. Since the state now requires individual licenses to hunt deer with dogs, the club can no longer be shut down b/c of the unlawful actions of a few renegades. That individual's license can be revoked and they will not be allowed to legally hunt deer with dogs. As far as etiquette... that's relative. As i posted above, we respect those around us but we can only do so much and still be able to have a fun and successful hunt. Each is free to do as he pleases on his own land as long as it is w/in the limits of the law. I would recommend peacefully trying to sit down and talk with any suspected guilty parties, and see if you can reach a compromise... IF they were not guilty of any wrongdoing and it was simply the dogs following their instinct and simply chasing the deer on their own free will, it is out of the hunters' hands. I will probably add more to this post later but i hope this shed some light on the sport and if i have posted false information, please post your clarification.
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10-22-2007, 06:00 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly that emtions would run high. We hunt northern SC/southern NC where the farm has the state line running through it. My departed father in law had some of the finest deer dogs around for years. But up here where the state statute is clearly defined upon the dispatching of dogs running big-game,you would have no leg to stand on what so ever. 97B.011, Minnesota Statutes 2007 Copyright © 2007 by the Office of Revisor of Statutes, State of Minnesota. 97B.011 DOGS PURSUING BIG GAME. A person who observes a dog wounding, killing, or pursuing in a manner that endangers big game may kill the dog: (1) at any time, if the person is a peace officer or conservation officer; or (2) between January 1 and July 14, if the person is not a peace officer or conservation officer and the discharge of firearms is allowed. The officer or person is not liable for damages for killing the dog. History: 1986 c 386 art 2 s 3; 1994 c 575 s 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please direct all comments concerning issues or legislation to your House Member or State Senator. Mike
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10-22-2007, 08:19 PM
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Well I found this in Georgia State Statutes.
So by the letter of the law(27-3-49) And by the letter of the law your premis is flawed jajawboy30. Mike GEORGIA CODE Copyright 2007 by The State of Georgia All rights reserved. *** Current through the 2007 Regular Session *** TITLE 27. GAME AND FISH CHAPTER 3. WILDLIFE GENERALLY ARTICLE 1. HUNTING PART 2. DEER O.C.G.A. § 27-3-49 (2007) § 27-3-49. Killing of dogs running deer (a) It shall be the duty of every conservation ranger to kill any dog pursuing or killing any deer in any locality other than that prescribed by law or rules and regulations permitting such hunting, and no action for damages shall be maintained against the person for such killing. (b) It shall be unlawful for any person other than a conservation ranger, sheriff, or deputy sheriff to kill a dog wearing a collar, which dog is or has been pursuing or killing a deer. (c) It shall not be unlawful for any person to kill a dog which does not have a collar and which is pursuing or killing deer in any locality other than that prescribed by law or rules and regulations permitting such hunting, and no action for damages shall be maintained against the person for such killing. HISTORY: Ga. L. 1955, p. 483, § 59; Code 1933, § 45-524, enacted by Ga. L. 1977, p. 396, § 1; Ga. L. 1978, p. 816, § 49.
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10-22-2007, 09:00 PM
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well, that directly contradicts every law permitting the hunting of deer w/ dogs. all i know is that if someone harms my dog that is running a deer, in season or out of, they will have some serious problems on their hands!
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10-22-2007, 09:06 PM
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You need to read the statute without malice.
It reads that any dog "out of hunting season without a collar". If it is hunting season and the dogs are collared,then they are protected by the law. The law just states that free-roaming dogs are not protected. Mike
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10-22-2007, 09:16 PM
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It is a southern tradition to run deer with dogs. Till some idiotidiotidiotidiot yankee wants to start trash, You can run them but when it gets dark they come right back to where they came from. I coon hunt and they will lay 10 feet from the tree when dogs are treeing never moving. Seen some very big bucks just laying 10 foot from me could have shot them but i didnt. You can not run a deer off from his territory and a turkey is the same way treeed with turkeys in the tree that dog was on. Dogs can not READ, SHOOT MY DOG AND YOUR idiotidiotidiot WILL BE WILL BE IN COURT AND YOU WILL LIVE IN A CARDBOARD BOX CAUSE YOU WANT HAVE A POT TO idiotidiotidiotidiot IN. SOME PEOPLE HAVE NO COMON SENSE.
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10-22-2007, 09:23 PM
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O.C.G.A. § 27-3-49 GEORGIA CODE Copyright 2007 by The State of Georgia All rights reserved. *** Current through the 2007 Regular Session *** TITLE 27. GAME AND FISH CHAPTER 3. WILDLIFE GENERALLY ARTICLE 1. HUNTING PART 2. DEER O.C.G.A. § 27-3-49 (2007) § 27-3-49. Killing of dogs running deer (c)It shall not be unlawful for any person to kill a dog which does not have a collar and which is pursuing or killing deer in any locality other than that prescribed by law or rules and regulations permitting such hunting, and no action for damages shall be maintained against the person for such killing. Maybe if someone would use alittle common sense and read the Law they would see that as long as they follow the law,the law protects the dog! And if they do not follow the Law,their dogs could be shot with no matter how much they whine,cry and snivel,they have NO legal leg to stand on! Mike
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10-22-2007, 09:44 PM
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Jim H, I feel the same way you do. I hunt on private land and it is in Bulloch Co. also. They let dogs out on dirt roads and dogs are immediately on our property 10 minutes after daylight.... most em break the law using CB's to relay the hunt to the other guy racing back and forth down the dirt road and telling them ..what stand the deer is about to cross at on the dirt road...(ive heard it myself)...and shooting inthe dirt road.The dogs run all day and end up at my truck in the evenings and i end up dumping them on the dirt road. I hate hearing..."the dog doesnt know boundaries"...nonsense...the people putting these dogs out are usually not hunting the land that got them the permit to begin with..and letting them out on 100 acres of land at the most... and on private property in 10 minutes.I could go on and on...im sure there are some "good" dog clubs that run deer on thousands of acres but i would wager that is not the norm. Having hunted in bulloch my entire life i have seen it all.
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10-22-2007, 09:55 PM
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Dogs that run deer ain't no different than a stinking coyote that runs them
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10-23-2007, 07:18 AM
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as i wrote earlier, it takes a healthy respect on both sides.
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10-23-2007, 07:43 AM
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If the dogs were running around in continuous big circles then they were probably running a coyote anyways.
It could be worse. Opening morning, one of our neighbors decided to shoot every weapon ever invented. Only pausing to reload. When he was bored with shooting, he decided to ride laps around his 5 acres on his dirt bike. I still managed to see deer and they pretty much ignored all the racket. 
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10-23-2007, 08:07 AM
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Larpyn we have a guy like that. I think he's growing pot.
We have wild chows..or had. Everyone carries a pistol now. If you grab one of these dogs and call the warden, the owner is gonna get it and if it happens again( if the law hasn't changed) that owner loses his permit. I think the sister to the lab I found( and kept) last year is still in there and jumped a deer near my stand sunday. I didn't see them, but there were three deer taken on Sat. that had buckshot in them. I didn't know still hunters were still using buck shot. One would have been a nice 8 but the buckshot in his butt put a kink in the horn. Don't rabbits run in circles? I'd get down and carry my camera and cell phone next time. cw
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My opinion is it will be better for our sport in the long run if we all step back and ponder what is the purpose for our being out there. How we get along with other groups or other styles of hunters say's a lot about how we look to the non-hunting world. If I saw that number of deer on opening weekend, I would chop off my right arm. My season would be fulfilled and nothing that happened, short of falling or someone getting shot, could ruin the rest of the season after that. |
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10-23-2007, 08:48 AM
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don't want to get in this debate but have to say it
most of the time the people complaining against dog hunting have corn piled up knee high and think they have done something when they shoot the deer standing there eating. i don't dog hunt anymore because of where i live. but when i want to kill a deer i go climb a tree. the dogs don't bother the deer that they are not running they will just lay there i have seen it many times. but men please don't threaten to shoot anyone's dogs. if anyone ever shot one of mine and i found out about it i would hate to think about what would happen. is a deer worth prison?
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10-23-2007, 08:51 AM
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Sounds like there is a simple solution. If you hunt deer with dogs: PUT A COLLAR ON THEM.
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All it takes is someone that circumvents the law and drops off dogs uncollared on someone elses lease with the ignorant ranting that "his dogs can't read no sign". Dogs get shot and the owner who bypassed the law is left only with dead dogs and no legal course of action to take. Mike
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maybe we should all remember that each of us loves hunting in whatever way it is...If we dont stick together and respect each other the anti's will have their way and none of us will be hunting...We're all on the same side here
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10-23-2007, 09:03 AM
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Looks like divide and conquer for the peta folks. Looks like common sense gets scarce when folks get emotional. Times have done a 180 from when I was a kid and still hunters hunted around dog hunters so they could shoot deer ahead of dogs. Another thing that may help in my experience after deer have been run a time or two they back off to a quieter spot, that small 200 acre tract often holds more bucks later in the season.
I guess I have been lucky and always dog hunted in clubs large enough or at least had nieghbors who dog hunted too. The original post really does not sound like you have a deer dog hunter problem, You should have been able to hear our big 4 wheel drives spinning around and cb's blasting and if you heard dogs running deer in a circle next to your 200 acres all morning it was more than likely smaller game they were running as deer eventually will line out, you would be lucky to keep one on 2000 acres for two hours. Deer dog clubs are so restricted now by DNR and the timber company's we are very protective of our sport and seldom will you have contact with a club that does not put every effort into protecting your rights. But at the same time if our dogs do run for two hours on our property we deserve the right to enjoy our sport the same as you whether we are hunting deer, rabbit, coon or whatever. No matter who you are or how you hunt in the end we all need each other, if you want to have good neighbors you have to be one. |
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10-23-2007, 09:08 AM
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Using dogs to kill deer is for people who can't hunt.
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10-23-2007, 09:19 AM
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This is the second state I've lived in that allows this. I went with some guys while in AR and honestly didnt enjoy it. I'm an avid rabbit hunter so thought I might like it but nope.
I've been on stand and seen walkers run a doe by repeatedly with her tongue hanging out totally exhausted. I've tried to rationalize this by support them because dog hunters are part of the hunting family. This wont be popular but I've also thought "choose your battles wisely." The folks I went with ended up doing exactly what the gentlemen discribed earlier. We released hounds and trucks raced up and down logging roads turning sideways to get hunters a shot of the deer crossing the road. I was told we would be shooting from stands so I was packed and gone from that camp in short order. I'm sure there are large farms where dogs are run legally but over the 20 + years I've been around it you see them more as road hunters than not. The nonhunting public can see this conduct much more easily and it reflects on us a body. Just a note, when the AGFC decided to cut back harvest numbers a few years back a statewide hunter poll was taken. Dog hunting was the first thing to be listed as a season to be cut. So I dont think this is just a bunch of Yankees after Southern tradition. I would never harm another mans hunting dogs no matter my frustration. I enjoy my Beagles and understand the attachment thats there. As far as stray house dogs chasing deer or livestock, I'll drop them given a chance. I take good care of my animals and keep them up, I expect no less of others.
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Since I started this thing I thought I should clarify a few things.
I did solicite advice, but never thought it would get into shooting dogs. My wife would kill me if she ever found out that I did something like that. I was just frustrated because last year after we saw the dogs ( they both had collars on ) we started seeing less deer. I do agree that as a whole all hunters need to work together or people like PETA and the HSUS will win in the end. |
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There is more than one way to kill a deer. Some hunters dog hunt. Others still hunt. Just because some hunters do things different does not mean it is wrong. I can honestly say that it is more difficult to kill a deer running in front of the dogs than it is to sit in a tree and shoot one with a rifle. So, until you get you facts straight, maybe you should keep yout opinions of dog hunters to yourself. |
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When done legally it is a great family outing! Listening to your dogs as they bring deer out of the thick. 25-35 yards on running deer is oh so addictive! No sitting waiting for deer to able past. My wifes dad had two Beagles that would run deer exclusively! After Duchess died of cancer(she was put down),Baron was just not the same afterwards. Mike
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Then it really comes down to the shooters ability. Can I kill a running deer at 25 yards with 00 Buckshot? Can I put an arrow through the vitals at 40 yards? Can I make a 300 yard shot with my rifle? Dog hunting is no more risky than any other hunting, but each hunter must know his limitations.
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Probably 50/50. If the deer is to far, and running full speed, then you just don't shoot. It's no different than shooting doves, ducks or quail. I'm sure there are plenty here that have wounded (or killed and not recovered) a bird because of a bad, or "snap" shot.
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I've been on a dog deer run before there is no thrill or sport in it for me. Most of the people I know that use dogs are just to lazy to put in the time and develop the skill it takes to be a real hunter. As for the org post if dogs are ruining your hunt and they are indeed deer dogs you need to call animal contol and have these dogs removed. Shoot the ones with no collars.
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Let's all take a deep breath and count to 10
I was a dog hunter and still hunter for many years. If I lived closer to the club I was in back then I would be hunting with dogs today. Both methods of hunting are great sport if done legally.
Hunting with dogs is first a social event. People like to get together and enjoy a good race. In my experience, killing a deer is incidental to the hunt. Listening to the dogs and good natured kidding about who has the best dogs is the main thing. Skill is also a part of it. Knowing deer patterns is important to know where to take a stand. Shooting a running deer is hard and requires a great deal of skill. Add in that my club did not allow the taking of does (this was years ago) and the skill required multiplied because of the need to identify before shooting. Still hunting also requires skills (if you aren't hunting over a pile of corn). Patterning the deer, selecting a stand site, scent control, etc. are all important. It is a solitary sport and many including me enjoy the solitude. Those things said, I don't dog hunt now simply because of the convenience of still hunting. Over the years I killed many more deer still hunting than dog hunting, but again the love of the sport is the main reason we should all be hunting. How many or how big deer I killed is not how I measure success and I would suggest that is true for most of us on this board. Both types of hunting have their place and one can be just as enjoyable as the other, there is room for all of us out there to hunt legally and safely. Just my $.02 Sorry for the long post. |
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What skill climb a tree and shoot him when he is eating with a rifle that is accurate probably yp to 300 yards. I hunted sat mourning saw 14 deer, 4 bucks could have killed any of them but was not what i wanted but i still can't see the skill that took. I ENJOY BOTH DOG AND STILL HUNTING, DOG HUNTING MORE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN 8 OR 9 YEARS. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GREAT SO CALLED SKILL TO SHOOT ONE OUT OF A TREE
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Everyone has their own method. If it is allowed, more power to you. I still think you need alot of dirt to hunt with dogs. I would not be happy to have 30 dogs run across my property while I was hunting. I would not shoot a collared dog, but I still would not be happy.
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I don't have a problem with still hunters, stand hunters, or dog hunters, as long as they (and their dogs) stay off my property. When they (or their dogs) put a stand on my property or cross my property, then I have big problems with any of them. I don't care if the hunters can't read, or the dogs can't read. I still want them to stay off my property.
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I agree you do need ample room to dog hunt and respect your neighbors. I just get my feathers ruffled when people talk about dog hunting and how easy it is when they have no clue. Like i said before if i want to kill a deer i go climb a tree, i enjoy both. Everyone needs to respect the fellow hunter, to each his own. Someone asked earlier if a dog was worth prison, I would never want to test that i use to be pretty attached to my dogs. Someone in my hunting party had one shot years ago and we searched the woods over trying to find the hunter looking back i am certainly glad we didn't.
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I am an avid dog hunter and have been dog hunting since my grandfather started taking me as soon as i was out of diapers. I hate seeing other people talk down upon a sport that they have no knowledge of. I can remember that just 10 years ago, still hunters were the minority in my part of the state. Every year i see more and more dog clubs being shut down due to development, rich people from Savannah, Atlanta, and Florida leasing the land out from underneath us, and people just being sick and tired of dealing with the hassle that folks bring. The Old South ways of courtesy and understanding or slowly slipping away in even the most rural parts of the South. A man from the city that buys 200 acres of land to still hunt on expects people who have been dog hunting the 7000 acres of bordering land to stop what they have been doing for 50 years. The previous landowner let the club go on his land and catch their dogs but suddenly after 50 years, the club can't do this. And usually the piece of land is one of the main places deer will run to. The new landowner threatens to sue and the club is shut down. 50 years of tradition is just gone like the rest of the Old South. Luckily my club is not like this. We have roughly 7000 acres. On one side of us is a 6000 acre trophy buck club. The owner of that land will call us on the radio when our dogs get over on his land and he will take us to where they are so we can catch them. We are extremely apologetic to him and stress to him that we are trying our hardest to keep our dogs on our own land. On the other side of our club we have another still hunting club this one is about 1500 acres . The landowner on that side has given us the combination to his gate and asks that we simply call him before we go over there in the daylight. He even lets us take stands on the border road that is on his property. Another part of our club borders another 1500 acre still hunt club. The leasee of this land lets us go in there and get our dogs and on the last day of the season, he lets us dog hunt his land.The only downside to all of this is that our property also borders Fort Stewart. That is a whole other negative topic in itself. The point here is that if you let your bordering landowners know that you are trying to keep the dogs off of their land and hopefully they will understand your point of view. I try my hardest to put the most positive image of dog hunting out there that i can. I enjoy dog hunting more than almost anything else in my life. I only wish that still hunters would understand that 95% of dog hunters are trying to please 100% of the rest of the population. Please don't knock it til you've tried it with a good dog club.
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10-23-2007, 08:25 PM
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I would like to know how dog hunters know what and what not to shoot at when dogs are chasing deer. If one of them has already killed a spike, his next deer must have at least 4 points on one side. How can you have time to count points and not accidently shoot an illegal buck or doe if does days are not in?
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#46
10-23-2007, 08:42 PM
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Fish and Hunt, to answer your question...from my experiece and seeing the skinning pole...most of em shoot anything. I can tell you this because I end up bringing the worn out dogs that hang around our property at the end of the day and see them in the truck beds stacked up 3 and four deer high. Brought 2 dogs out last year to a guy sitting on the dirt road because they had tracking collars..gave him the dogs..asked how many they killed...he said 12.....any size i asked.."a few cow horns and mainly basket racks and some does was his reply....not to mention the beer breath.
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10-23-2007, 08:48 PM
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Thats what I figured , alot of poaching going on 
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10-23-2007, 09:01 PM
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So a opinion was formed/based on a "bad-apple"?
Folk's that follow the law and observe proper "Hunting" ethics will suffer because of that "type" of person is the one who makes such a lasting bad impression. Mike
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10-23-2007, 10:02 PM
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Last year I heard some dogs trailing a deer on our property. Not long after that they jumped. Soon after a doe came bouncing my way and was being followed by a decent six point. He was grunting every time his hooves hit the ground. He was lookin' for love.
I let them pass while still listening to the dogs coming my way. The buck and doe barely were out of the picture when sure enough, here comes the dogs, running the buck and doe who were pretty much oblivious to the fact that the dogs were on their trail. I have seen this more than once. I have also seen deer let a dog run another deer right by them only to go on about their business once the barking has passed. After about Thanksgiving I welcome the sound of a hound on a deer. You never know how big a buck might be in front of that dog and being in a tree stand gives you a front row seat to the coming action. Dogs don't bother them deer as much as people think. Coyotes are your biggest enemy. At least a hound or fice dog will let you know he is comin' so you can get ready. To the dog bashers: Humans have been hunting with hounds long before the invention of tree climbers,lock on's,scent lock suits,mossy oak,real tree,etc..... Give the dog hunters a break. 99% of 'em are good 'ol boys who don't talk bad about us snipers hangin' out in a box stand on a nice lush food plot. Now that is givin' the deer a sportin' chance. Don't you think??  
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10-23-2007, 10:45 PM
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Its hard to give em a break when you have to deal with it just about every hunt on the weekend.....when they come thru your stand about 30 minutes before sunset every weekend or are already running deer on your property when you get out of the truck..people will understand where some of us come from....yeah they run deer by the stand...the deer they jumped about 2 properties over..and most of the time they are does. Its all the unethical stuff that the majority of them do is what bothers me......shooting deer on dirt roads, letting dogs out on dirt roads, letting dogs out on 50 acres of their land and then "hunt" the dirt road while they run our property all morning..then run on cousins property ..then back on our property. I doubt anyone would say they dont mine dealing with these kind of experiences while deer hunting on private property!
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