Conservatives Only: Vote For McCain?

[SBG]

If McCain is the nominee of the Republican party, will you vote for him?

[Xzuatl]

Nope.

well looks like 62 now...

[Hogtown]

Nope - not a chance. Ron Paul was my candidate. I'll either vote Libertarian (most likely) or perhaps for Obama (just for spite). I will not vote for the Hildabeast or for McCain.

[elfiii]

Yep, sure will.

Hey Hogtown, explain to me how you vote for Obama when Ron Paul was your man? The two seem to be mutually exclusive. One is the consummate libertarian, to a fault, the other the consummate socialist. Something doesn't add up.

[slightly grayling]

If he makes a public commitment of no amnesty, I will likely hold my nose and vote for him...otherwise I just don't think I can stomach voting for him knowing the potential impacts amnesty will create for my children's generation......

[maker4life]

I don't care what Rush , Ann or Sean tells you McCain would still be better than either of the other two .

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by maker4life

I don't care what Rush , Ann or Sean tells you McCain would still be better than either of the other two .

I agree...

[Hogtown]

Originally Posted by elfiii

Yep, sure will.

Hey Hogtown, explain to me how you vote for Obama when Ron Paul was your man? The two seem to be mutually exclusive. One is the consummate libertarian, to a fault, the other the consummate socialist. Something doesn't add up.

Elfiii - it makes no sense - I realize that. If (and its a pretty big if) I vote for Obama it will be out of pure spite. I am a carrot and a stick guy. The GOP has stunk up the joint so I think they deserve the stick. So in summary, it would be for spite, vengence, retribution, etc...

[Bitteroot]

"I don't care what Rush , Ann or Sean tells you McCain would still be better than either of the other two ".

You are exactly right. Sean, Rush, and many others are not the end all and say all of the conservative party.. I'm so conservative I make them look like a Carl Marx wannabe....

But, I won't cut off my nose, to spite my face... It seems to me that some of you guys that are still mad that you don't have your "dream candidate" to pull us up by the boot straps.. I guess you'll just take your ball and go home.. When will you realize that the DEMS have outsmarted us for years... They take every inch they can get! It's call incrementalism. They are very good at it.. But I guarentee that if they lose the election, it won't be becasuse they didn't unite behind their candidate after the primaries are over.

Get in power, stay in power, fix the tax code, stand up for what right every time..

[SBG]

Originally Posted by Bitteroot

" When will you realize that the DEMS have outsmarted us for years... They take every inch they can get! It's call incrementalism. They are very good at it..

Some of us do realize it. It is the ones that think like you that have not threw off the blinders and realize that you have been led down the primrose path, and now you'll cast your vote for one of them.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by Hogtown

The GOP has stunk up the joint so I think they deserve the stick. So in summary, it would be for spite, vengence, retribution, etc...

So you are willing to take the personal setback of 4 years of Democrat controlled government to teach the GOP a lesson it probably is or has already learned?

Not me. I'll teach the lesson as we go along.

[Bitteroot]

I'm not so blinded that I will hand them the oval office just to prove how angry I am with the GOP. I'm angry too, but I want lay down and give in totally.. Show me a viable alternative to Obama, Hillary, and I'm all ears. Other than that, I'll just blindly trod along until somebody real steps up. I'll take a bad GOP over a really Bad DEM any day.

By the way I don't smell primrose, but I'm not ready to stick my head in horse crap either!

Where's "Mr. Smith" when you need him!

[Gaswamp]

elfiii, you and I obviously have a differing point of view regarding all this. That said, I understand your willingness to fight within the party. What do you think it will take for the GOP to change the classroom plan? Or do you think it will likely continue down the 'liberal' path

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by Gaswamp

elfiii, you and I obviously have a differing point of view regarding all this. That said, I understand your willingness to fight within the party. What do you think it will take for the GOP to change the classroom plan? Or do you think it will likely continue down the 'liberal' path

It has proceeded down the "liberal path" because most of the foot soldiers and leadership of the Reagan/Gingrich Revolution days are gone - Armey, Delay, Kasich, Watts, Scarborough and a host of others.

What it is going to take is new real conservative leadership from the grassroots level. Newt's new project is a good example of what is needed - school for future conservative candidates. Learn the message, how to stay on message and how to sell the message - "Less government means more personal freedom".

Rush is right, conservatism wins everytime it is tried. There are too many "half hearted conservatives" in D.C. Maybe they no longer have the "fire in the belly" for the fight and have decided to get along to go along. In any event, they are "wore out" or co-opted by machine politics. We need new leadership. The kind that isn't afraid to mix it up. That means "Young turks", not old has beens.

Currently, I like Mike Pence as well as the other members of the Republican Study Group. These are the true "movement conservatives" left in the House. We need more like them.

[Hogtown]

Another good man is Adam Putnam. Central Florida, fiscal conservative, hunter/fisherman, citrus/cattle family, A+ rated by the NRA.

[seaweaver]

""I don't care what Rush , Ann or Sean tells you McCain would still be better than either of the other two ".




geeee

there is noooooo way anyone could have come to the conclusion not to vote for cain on their own.....

All the republican elites keep thinking we MUST have been told WHAT TO DO...

Yep...we do as we are told....thats why we are holding our noses and getting in line...OOOOOPS
that's not us.

cw

[RackNBeardOutdoors]

Republican all the way, unless, Obama was a Republican

[seaweaver]

"I'll teach the lesson as we go along."

and you taught them what after 06?
we gonna use the same plan or you think Newt's will get it done.

cw

[SBG]

Obviously McCain has a problem. Based on the results thus far on this poll, he is unelectable.

Go McCaint!

[DRThunting]

I am votin Republican, I just pray, prayin hard that there is some chance that vote goes to Huckabee (please dear Lord) and not Mccain, but if it comes down to McCain vs. Obama/Clinton the less of the evils gets my vote.

Go Huckabee

[Ta-ton-ka chips]

Originally Posted by elfiii

So you are willing to take the personal setback of 4 years of Democrat controlled government to teach the GOP a lesson it probably is or has already learned?

Not me. I'll teach the lesson as we go along.

The only ones who "learn their lesson" are the ones who first get voted out of office . Just ask Bob Barr
You might be able to teach em but you'd have to smack em in the face with a 2 x 4 to get their attention.
Save our country, vote all incumbents out of office

btw I will NOT vote for the RINO McCain

[bass4fun]

[quote=Bitteroot;1887134] Show me a viable alternative to Obama, Hillary, and I'm all ears. Other than that, I'll just blindly trod along until somebody real steps up. I'll take a bad GOP over a really Bad DEM any day.


Dude's got a sad but true point! My hand may quiver a bit...but I'll cast a vote for McCain...especially if he has a decent vice prez.

[ranger1977]

I'll be 31 next Friday and this is the first election I've thought about not voting in. I've been registered to vote since I was 18.

[elfiii]

I'll pose my "test" in this thread as well:

1. Name the conservative Presidents of the last 75 years.

2. Name the conservative candidates for President of the last 75 years.

Jimbo, you've already aced the test so stay out!

Anybody else? Anybody? Paging Mr. Anybody.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by SBG

Obviously McCain has a problem. Based on the results thus far on this poll, he is unelectable.

Go McCaint!

He's got 58.7% of the vote right now.

[bass4fun]

Ranger1977

By not voting...you may allow the most evil of all to represent you in the oval office and as commander in cheif. Hillary does not believe you have the right to own a gun. To her your a dangerous threat to society. Please think about some of this.



License and register all handgun sales
Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000

[ranger1977]

bass4fun,

That's a hog in your avatar by the way, good fish. anyway, I didn't say I wasn't going to vote, I said this is the first time I've thought about not voting, first time it's crossed my mind, ya know? This election=pick the lesser of two evils. When, if ever, will we have another TRUE conservative make it through the primaries to the Nov. election? Anybody have any ideas?

[bass4fun]

Ranger 1977

Good point about the TRUE conservative. I'd love to see Reagan reincarnated. It will happen. I believe we must keep the party in power though. I don't want to live in a liberal minded world. Sorry, I misunderstood about your voting. I feel your pain believe me.

Thanks for the compliment about the bass. Best so far... 11 pounds - 26"L. It looks great underneath the 20 point buck on my wall.

[SBG]

Originally Posted by elfiii

He's got 58.7% of the vote right now.

Yep...from a very conservative subset. In other words, 41% of conservatives will not vote for McCain. Don't sound to promising for the compromisers when you put it in those terms.

[SBG]

Originally Posted by elfiii

I'll pose my "test" in this thread as well:

1. Name the conservative Presidents of the last 75 years.

2. Name the conservative candidates for President of the last 75 years.

Jimbo, you've already aced the test so stay out!

Anybody else? Anybody? Paging Mr. Anybody.

DD Eisenhower was much more conservative than McCain, much more.

Barry Goldwater was much more conservative than McCain, much more.

Richard Nixon was much more conservative than McCain, much more.

Gerald Ford was much more conservative than McCain, much more.

RWR

Bush the first and Bob Dole and Bush the 2nd are all much more conservative than McCain, much more.

[tail_slider3d]

going to write in to prove my point. McCain is NOT a conservative. If hillary or obama get it then it will be four years of liberalism. If McCain makes it in then it will be his four years of liberalism plus the following eight years of a dem. liberal

there is no choice on the democratic side ...its an empty ballot .......no thanxz too hillobama...

[Howard Roark]

Look at my Avatar and repeat, I want Hillary to be President.

[contender*]

Originally Posted by tail_slider3d

going to write in to prove my point. McCain is NOT a conservative. If hillary or obama get it then it will be four years of liberalism. If McCain makes it in then it will be his four years of liberalism plus the following eight years of a dem. liberal

MY MY, all the "fortune telling" going on in this PF. What makes you think that if McCain gets the WH that we won't have 4 years of his conservaliberal rule (as opposed to ultra lib) and then 4-8 years of someone like Huck???

[Marlin_444]

Yes...

On a personal note...

A vote for anyone else is SUICIDE!

Ron

[drhunter1]

Originally Posted by elfiii

So you are willing to take the personal setback of 4 years of Democrat controlled government to teach the GOP a lesson it probably is or has already learned?

Not me. I'll teach the lesson as we go along.

How has the GOP already learned it's lesson oh great professor?

[Marlin_444]

49% Suicide Rate... That's how!

Brace yourselves for President Obama or Clinton...

Wow... Unbelievable...

[drhunter1]

If a democrat gets elected the GOP will have no one to blame but themselves.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by drhunter1

How has the GOP already learned it's lesson oh great professor?

Right now it has forgotten the lesson. That's why I said teach as we go along. Its' just like the Rush Limbaugh College of Advanced Conservative Studies. There are scholars and students, but no graduates.

[drhunter1]

Originally Posted by elfiii

Right now it has forgotten the lesson. That's why I said teach as we go along. Its' just like the Rush Limbaugh College of Advanced Conservative Studies. There are scholars and students, but no graduates.

Core conservative principles are like riding a bike. You never really forget. What the GOP has done is willfully riden off the path. It was a choice to do so, therefore they didn't forget, they just snubbed their nose at the core principles and decided to move left.

Now. Why did they do that? Because the GOP feared that they would not get the centrist vote without moving left while believing at the same time that conservatives will hold their nose and come along like good little boys and girls becuase they figured we had such disgust the democrats that we would be stupid enough to reward them with our vote. Are we that stupid?

[contender*]

Originally Posted by drhunter1

Are we that stupid?

Stupid enough to let a socialist like Obamy or Hitlary in the WH? I guess SOME of us are>>>>

[drhunter1]

Originally Posted by contender*

Stupid enough to let a socialist like Obamy or Hitlary in the WH? I guess SOME of us are>>>>

Then the cycle continues.

[SBG]

Originally Posted by drhunter1

Are we that stupid?

I guess so...I guess we are to the Republicans what the blacks are to the Democrats.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by SBG

I guess so...I guess we are to the Republicans what the blacks are to the Democrats.

Hardly.

[SBG]

Originally Posted by elfiii

Hardly.

Really? Never took you for a slightly left moderate.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by SBG

Really? Never took you for a slightly left moderate.

You know I'm a "broken glass" conservative. I will crawl across 10 miles of broken glass to vote for John McCain. I am not a sheeple, but Mr. O'Bommer represents a clear threat to all I hold dear.

I'll hazard the slippery slope of Mt. McCain to keep Mr. O'Bommer out. You would be wise to do the same.

[Son]

Yes, when one has the liberty of making a choice. Always take the best one available.
Will be interesting to see who each will pick for a running mate.

[SBG]

Originally Posted by elfiii

You know I'm a "broken glass" conservative. I will crawl across 10 miles of broken glass to vote for John McCain. I am not a sheeple, but Mr. O'Bommer represents a clear threat to all I hold dear.

I'll hazard the slippery slope of Mt. McCain to keep Mr. O'Bommer out. You would be wise to do the same.

Based on both records, what exactly about McCain makes you think he would be even marginally different than Obama?

It amazes me how some will swallow the pill and not at least consider tangible evidence.

[elfiii]

Originally Posted by SBG

Based on both records, what exactly about McCain makes you think he would be even marginally different than Obama?

It amazes me how some will swallow the pill and not at least consider tangible evidence.

O'Bommer is the most liberal Senator. That takes some doing to out liberal ChuckaShoomer and Capt. Oldsmobile.

McCain's lifetime rating from the Conservative Union is a 65.

Let's see, a candidate who is 0 vs a candidate who is 65. Tough choice, no doubt.

You checked your poll results lately? Looks like lots of us are gong to be voting for MCCain.