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Old 10-01-2008, 11:24 AM
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I have heard the Kel-tec pistols are good carry pistols, but looking yesterday at the gun shop it didn't look like it. The bluing looked cheap and the polymer was unfinished with molding marks left. Both can be fixed rather easily, but it concerns me about the overall quality. Plus I didn't like the sights. I was looking at the P-3AT and PF-9.

Are these reliable shooters? Any certain ones/calibers to avoid?
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:35 AM
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from all I have seen, they are quite reliable shooters. I like the 9mm for a carry weapon as it's really easily concealable. You won't go wrong with their stuff, IMO.
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:38 AM
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I had a P3AT for a few years and liked it okay. The fit and finish is not as good as some but mine went bang every time. The feed ramp needed a little polishing and you're right about the polymer being unimpressive. In the end I just didn't like it enough to hang on to it but I am STRONGLY considering the new Ruger LCP (based on the P3AT.) The Ruger looks like the gun that Kel-Tec COULD have made if they spent a little more time and effort.
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I would rather spend the money on a high quality S&W J-Frame pistol like a model 638, 642 or 442....

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Old 10-01-2008, 11:46 AM
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I would rather spend the money on a high quality S&W J-Frame pistol like a model 638, 642 or 442....

JHMO.
I am not a fan of J-frame triggers, plus looking for real light weight gun.
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:54 AM
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Keltecs are good for the $...just gotta watch the trigger pull, its LOOOOOOOOOONG.
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Old 10-01-2008, 11:59 AM
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I carry a P3AT all the time. Mine shoots ball or federal hydrashoks flawlessly. The best thing about the keltec and the ruger LCP is you can have them with you almost all the time: 12 oz fully loaded.

I carry mine using the little pocket clip.

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I've got one (P 11 I think). Its the 9mm model that holds 10 rounds.

The finish is ugly, the gun is ugly, and the trigger is heavy and long.....but its little, light, easy to conceal, and has never failed on me!

They make a really good concealed weapon.
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Keltecs are good for the $...just gotta watch the trigger pull, its LOOOOOOOOOONG.
I agree on the trigger. My P3AT is pretty darn accurate at 7-10 yards. Mine is certainly not my favorite but it actually has been very reliable. I have carried it using the pocket clip and a holster. I like having it when out scouting or during the summer when I don't want to sweat on something nice.

I hate to admit it, but I do like mine for its purpose. It is also easy to hide in a few situations where it is legal but maybe not totally "socially acceptable" to have a gun on me.

edited to say: see Weagle's post.

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I'm with Nitro on this one.

I don't like the Kel-tec pistols at all. They have terrible triggers for one thing. It has a very high bore axis and a tiny grip for someone with hands on the large side. The ones I've shot were not very accurate, but I admit I didn't try a lot of different ammo. I also didn't like the tiny sights. I feel as a back-up gun it might have some value.

I'd rather have a 9mm Kahr.

Just my opinions.

Has anyone who owns a Kel-tec pistol actually put a high volume of rounds through them? I am wondering how well they hold up to a high round count. The guys I know who own these rarely shoot them and I don't know anyone who has put more than 200-300 rounds through them.

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Old 10-01-2008, 12:14 PM
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georgiaboy, how many rounds have you put through yours? I'd love to give another one a try sometime. Like I put in my last post, I do see some value in having a little gun as a BUG. Since I don't work somewhere that cares if I carry, I don't worry about printing much and usually strap on a 1911.
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:18 PM
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You need to see the Crimson Trace lazer made for the Ruger LCP. Trouble is, it cost almost as much as the pistol.

LCP $279.99
Lazer @229.99
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:34 PM
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I have the 32 cal. and like it very much. It functions flawlessly and is very easy to conceal.
It does have a long trigger pull but I think this is a good thing in a high stress situation.
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Mark, I am in the 150-200 rds category. I know it isn't enough to assess, but it is enough for mine as a BUG (G23 is always in my truck). I may end up keeping it in my office actually.

You can borrow it if you want to, I have some spare ammo somewhere too. We are still shooting most Thursdays if you make it out this way.
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Old 10-01-2008, 12:44 PM
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Is the pocket clip like weagle's legal in Georgia for concealed carry?
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You can learn a whole lot here

http://www.ktog.org/


I got the hankering for a pocket pistol and had the same reaction you did with the looks, fit and finish, trigger and all. Even though I knew enough about them to know they are reliable I just couldn't do it. Spent double the money on a Kahr PM9 and have not regretted it one bit, fine pistola

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Saw that too,, NOPE


Gotta have it in a holster
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Got a P3AT and really like it. Had it for many years (5). Don't know round count, but probably around 150-200. Functions great. The only malfunction I have had was due to light loads. I shoot a 120 gr 9MM Truncated cast bullet in mine with 2 gr Bullseye and it works great.
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Yes it's legal.

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I have a SU2000, PLR-16, P3AT and a P-11. The best thing I can say about any gun is that it goes bang everytime. My Kel-Tec's have always gone bang everytime. The P3AT and the P-11 have triggers as stated above. In high stress situations I do not want that 2 lb no creep trigger. Now my P3AT maybe a little more than I want but it is a trade off. They both have eaten whatever I have fed. My round count is not high a couple of hundred in the 380 and just got the 11 so it is real low (used so it has been shot). My question is how many times do you want to shoot a gun like the 380. My PLR has several thousand and the SU2000 several hundred (.40 cal). I did break a mag on the 380 and just sent it back today so we will see how their service is.

My wife chose the P3AT over several including a Seecamp (go figure). I normally carry a Glock but have no fear to slip any of the Kel-Tecs in my pocket. My worthless opinion.
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Old 10-01-2008, 01:02 PM
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Yes it's legal.

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Maybe I am wrong

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OCGA 16-11-126 wrote:
and the pistol, revolver, or firearm may only be carried in a shoulder holster, waist belt holster, any other holster, hipgrip, or any other similar device
Hip grip maybe?
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Has anyone who owns a Kel-tec pistol actually put a high volume of rounds through them? I am wondering how well they hold up to a high round count. The guys I know who own these rarely shoot them and I don't know anyone who has put more than 200-300 rounds through them.

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Someone I work with has carried a P11 as a duty backup for five or six years. He has more than 3000 rounds through his and has had no problems.
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O.C.G.A. § 16-11-126
(c) This Code section shall not permit, outside of his or her home, motor vehicle, or place of business, the concealed carrying of a pistol, revolver, or concealable firearm by any person unless that person has on his or her person a valid license issued under Code Section 16-11-129 and the pistol, revolver, or firearm may only be carried in a shoulder holster, waist belt holster, any other holster, hipgrip, or any other similar device, in which event the weapon may be concealed by the person's clothing, or a handbag, purse, attache case, briefcase, or other closed container. Carrying on the person in a concealed manner other than as provided in this subsection shall not be permitted and shall be a violation of this Code section.

I feel confident that the clip is legal, but I'm certainly no lawyer.

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Old 10-01-2008, 01:17 PM
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I feel confident that the clip is legal, but I'm certainly no lawyer.
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Interesting, I have to look into this more. I always thought they were illegal in GA, but looking at the regs, maybe they are not? I like the pocket-clip and would like that option to carry if legal.
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Old 10-01-2008, 01:36 PM
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I carry one everyday. Either the P-11 or the 32. They fire everytime and you dont have to worry about beating them up.
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Interesting, I have to look into this more. I always thought they were illegal in GA, but looking at the regs, maybe they are not? I like the pocket-clip and would like that option to carry if legal.


From what i was told the pocket clip is legal. I use one on my 32 and love it. I just keep it cliped on my belt all day and you cant even tell that you are carrying.
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Old 10-01-2008, 02:23 PM
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I have the 32 cal. and like it very much. It functions flawlessly and is very easy to conceal.
It does have a long trigger pull but I think this is a good thing in a high stress situation.
Same here. Only thing I don't like about mine is the very sharp report when fired. It's the only gun I shoot that actually hurts my ears. I also cut a short length of bicycle tube and put it over the grip, works great.
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I had a P3AT and it was a great gun. But since, I have sold it and switched to the PF-9. It is just as easy for me to carry (sure it weighs a bit more and is a bit larger). The biggest benefit is the greater selection in 9mm defense loads.
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My Kel Tec 9mm does what I bought it for. It goes bang every time, It is ultra thin, inexpensive and can be carried in a pocket holster with little or no imprint. It is perfect to carry when concealment is prudent. It is loud and after a session of target practice your hand feels it. It is pretty accurate.
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Interesting, I have to look into this more. I always thought they were illegal in GA, but looking at the regs, maybe they are not? I like the pocket-clip and would like that option to carry if legal.

The clip is perfectly legal in GA. Is it the safest way to carry though? Probably not, IMHO.
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Someone I work with has carried a P11 as a duty backup for five or six years. He has more than 3000 rounds through his and has had no problems.
Thanks, Mike. That is the first time I've ever heard of one with that high of a round count.
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In high stress situations I do not want that 2 lb no creep trigger.
Interesting. Just curious, but how often do you train with your carry weapons? How do you define "training?"


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My question is how many times do you want to shoot a gun like the 380.
I won't carry a firearm unless I've put a minimum of a couple hundred training rounds (typically FMJ) through it and at least 50 rounds of whatever ammo I intend to carry. If I have any issues during that firing schedule I increase the total round count until I have 100% confidence in the weapon system. I train with my carry weapons regularly including dry fire practice of some sort every night. I admit I'm on the extreme end of the spectrum, but if I am betting my life on the weapon it needs to be 100% reliable and I need to be as proficient as possible with it. Just my thoughts.
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Old 10-01-2008, 05:01 PM
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We use a Mossy 500 as our home defense gun, and the wife and I can both get from our place on the bed to the weapon, cock it, and have it ready to fire in under a second, blindfolded!
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Like Bookhound, I probably go to the extreme with my training. I prefer the 1911, it has served me well. This past Sunday, I put a Officer Model Slide kit on a full size frame for kits. As it turns out, I like, it has a full size frame, which is what I am used to and the 3.5 Colt Officer's Model Slide Kit for conceal. I put 300 rounds through it to test for function, and it passed with "0" issues. Monday I ordered a matched hammer and sear, long trigger, extended safety and slide release. I will put another 500 to 1000 round through it, before she becomes my carry weapon.

If she makes the carry weapon list, then I will swap between it and my current Springfield carry gun. The only exception to this rule is the J frame that is not being carried on my ankle when I happend to be in a situation where the 1911 can't be carried.

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I think the Kel-tec will serve the purpose. Since my daily driver is a Harley, I wanted something ultra small that will not print. Now if I can just sell the spare AR or AR lower to get the funds...
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I would rather spend the money on a high quality S&W J-Frame pistol like a model 638, 642 or 442....

JHMO.
That's what I hope to be getting the wife for concealed carry... the 642.

As for the Kel-tec's.. for the money they are lightweight, reliable and reasonably accurate. I've shot two different ones without a hitch... I've shot the .32 and the .380.

Personally, I'd rather have an air-weight revolver for concealed carry, but wouldn't feel too handicapped with a kel-tec...
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In regards to the clip question, have you ever seen a Hipgrip as specifically listed in the regulations? If not, go here to see one:

http://www.baramihipgrip.com/

What you will find is a revolver grip with a protrusion that acts like a clip on the belt - it isn't a holster. Thus the KT pocket clip is a "Other similar device".

I carry a KT P32 in my pocket when I just don't have enough room to stuff my Glock G27 in there.
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DYI, I would wager that the stock trigger on a J frame is way better than any of the KelTecs I have fired. They are horrible.

We bought two KelTec 32s a few years back in hopes that they would last. Both were out of commission in 140+ and 200+ or so rounds each......I consider them junk, but that's just MY EXPERIENCE.

You can have a trigger job done on a J frame to improve them as desired....... with a Kel Tec, you are stuck.

I will default to the position I always go to- how much is your life worth???? Mine is worth more than a couple hundred dollars.

As to concealment- most often it's clothing and a proper holster and the issue is moot. Get a pocket holster and anyone can make a J Frame disappear.

I was looking for a small pistol for my Daughter after her recent Home Invasion experience ( keep in mind, for my Daughter's safety money is no object) we fired a bunch of my pistols and some rentals....... we settled on a S&W Centennial Model 432 in .32 H&R Magnum- the most accurate, powerful round that she could control and shoot with deadly precision.

I wouldn't carry a Kel Tec if MY life depended on it.............
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I have an old AMT .380 Auto I picked up at a gun show some years back good shooting little piece, very conceilable. My wife loves it fits her perfectly.
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Saw that too,, NOPE


Gotta have it in a holster
Please show me the regulation that says this!

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I have carried a J-frame before and it wasn't too bad. I like the .38 Special +P ammo. Real world have to shoot situations, I doubt I would ever notice the trigger pull on a J-frame or Kel-tec.

But I was looking for something even more concealable, and I don't have any pistols anymore. Wife carries a PT111, which I don't like but has fed tons of ammo without fail and she can hit with it.

Price right now is an issue, if it wasn't I would have a Sig.
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I have a Kel-Tec .380 and I like and carry it often. With that said I still want a light weight J-frame badly!
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I hope more people will get on the fly weight carry pistol bandwagon. I have many friends that carry but quite often at a gathering I'm the only one actually packing.

The first rule in a gunfight is BRING A GUN! I would love to think that most of the folks that have a GA Firearms license actually use it, but the fact is many folks often leave their glock, springfield, 1911 etc in the car or at home, because it's just not convenient enough to carry it.

The keltec/ruger LCP is not a replacement for the glocks, springfield, 1911's etc but it is a compliment. Even if you mistrust the small autos surly you will agree that a pistol that can be carried safely all the time and will at least fire once is better than a high cap .40 that's sitting in the car.

Some folks will wear the proper clothing and gear to conceal a baby glock but if more CCW holders would at least make sure they slip a flyweight in their pocket at all times, I think it would be a safer, more free society.

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I hope more people will get on the fly weight carry pistol bandwagon. I have many friends that carry but quite often at a gathering I'm the only one actually packing.

The first rule in a gunfight is BRING A GUN! I would love to think that most of the folks that have a GA Firearms license actually use it, but the fact is many folks often leave their glock, springfield, 1911 etc in the car or at home, because it's just not convenient enough to carry it.

The keltec/ruger LCP is not a replacement for the glocks, springfield, 1911's etc but it is a compliment. Even if you mistrust the small autos surly you will agree that a pistol that can be carried safely all the time and will at least fire once is better than a high cap .40 that's sitting in the car.

Some folks will wear the proper clothing and gear to conceal a baby glock but if more CCW holders would at least make sure they slip a flyweight in their pocket at all times, I think it would be a safer, more free society.

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Old 10-02-2008, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by weagle View Post
I hope more people will get on the fly weight carry pistol bandwagon. I have many friends that carry but quite often at a gathering I'm the only one actually packing.

The first rule in a gunfight is BRING A GUN! I would love to think that most of the folks that have a GA Firearms license actually use it, but the fact is many folks often leave their glock, springfield, 1911 etc in the car or at home, because it's just not convenient enough to carry it.

The keltec/ruger LCP is not a replacement for the glocks, springfield, 1911's etc but it is a compliment. Even if you mistrust the small autos surly you will agree that a pistol that can be carried safely all the time and will at least fire once is better than a high cap .40 that's sitting in the car.

Some folks will wear the proper clothing and gear to conceal a baby glock but if more CCW holders would at least make sure they slip a flyweight in their pocket at all times, I think it would be a safer, more free society.

Weagle
Not me, I've always got the one, and sometimes I have two. If I've got my pants on, I've got one with me (unless I'm somewhere that it is prohibited to carry, which you don't often see me in those places).

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Old 10-02-2008, 03:44 PM
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I carry a P3AT daily because of its size - I can't easily conceal anything larger and I'm a big boy. Like others have said, I'd rather have it than nothing at all. No failures and reliable with Speer 90 gr. Gold Dots - about 100 rounds.
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