trespassing dog hunter busted

[Ol' Red]

Preface: This is not a dog shooting thread.

My parents live on a small farm in SE GA. There is a judge that lives next door and a dog club across the street. Saturday, dad got a call from the judge saying he thought somebody was trespassing/hunting on or land. He had seen a dog(imagine that) run a deer right by his house and then a shot. Dad jumped on the tractor and started up the road when he saw a small red pickup. He waved at the driver to stop, but the driver punched the gas and took off with a dead deer hanging out of the back of the truck. There is a side road with only one way in and out that the guy came from so dad headed that way and caught another guy(the vice president of the club). Dad asked him if he knew he was trespassing and the guy said he was looking for a dog. They called the President of the club and the guy in the red pickup. When the guy in the pickup got there, he had hidden the deer in his dog box!! To make a long story short, Dad had the president, VP, the guy in the pickup and the game warden all together. Dad didn't want the guy to get arrested in front of his wife and kids so he told the GW not to take him to jail.

Dog hunters want to know why other hunters can't stand to be around them? Here you go. The guy's story was he had to shoot the deer to catch his dog(which was trespassing). This was the best lie he could come up with on the spot. To boot, it was yearling spike. This really burns me up that a guy would trespass, shoot a deer, lie about it TWICE, and then think he can justify it. This isn't the first time we've had a problem with this club, but I can tell you this, it will be the last. The club was served with their final warning for trespassing. From now on, they go to jail and the club gets cited. This incident went on their record.

Red

[RipperIII]

Glad no one was hurt.
I'm new to all this hunting and such, so I haven't experienced trespassers yet, but just the thought boils my blood.
I'm sorry your folks have to deal with these type people.
Sounds like your Dad did a very honorable thing.

[11P&YBOWHUNTER]

Ol'Red, Thanks for posting this. I get so ticked off on this topic because i knonw there is so many instances when all types of people, not just dog hunters (or still hunters or stand hunters) are trespassing and get away with it by claiming ignorance. I have personally seen it many times and usually the warden or conservation officer has pity on them and do not cite them but rather give them a warning.

The fact that the guy would have gotten arrested in front of his family would have no bearing with me, i am kinda cold hearted with trespassers and would have told the warden to either have the guy go to the police station on his own or throw him in the cruiser and haul him away....congrats to your parents and i would buy the neighbor a steak dinner.

[simpleman30]

there are a lot of bad apples that try to spoil the entire bunch. that's why the Georgia Hunting and Fishing Federation and the Georgia Doghunters Association have worked to create the laws that currently regulate doghunting. obviously, this guy broke the rules and will have to face the consequences.

not every doghunter is a law breaking outlaw, so it would benefit you not to lump all of us into one bunch. our club makes extraordinary efforts to get along w/ all of our neighbors and keep our dogs off their property. we call and notify neigboring landowners if our dogs have crossed the property line. Most, if not all, of them have no problem with us going on their property to retrieve our dogs if we call them first. sometimes they even allow us to come over and hunt with them on their property.

[Dog Hunter]

Red,
Just remember all dog hunters and dog clubs don't operate like this.

[deerbuster]

Yea man I know how you feel. Glad you caught them.

[FullSneak]

Im a little confused but it sounds like everything worked out for the better.

[Ol' Red]

Originally Posted by simpleman30

there are a lot of bad apples that try to spoil the entire bunch. that's why the Georgia Hunting and Fishing Federation and the Georgia Doghunters Association have worked to create the laws that currently regulate doghunting. obviously, this guy broke the rules and will have to face the consequences.

not every doghunter is a law breaking outlaw, so it would benefit you not to lump all of us into one bunch. our club makes extraordinary efforts to get along w/ all of our neighbors and keep our dogs off their property. we call and notify neigboring landowners if our dogs have crossed the property line. Most, if not all, of them have no problem with us going on their property to retrieve our dogs if we call them first. sometimes they even allow us to come over and hunt with them on their property.

Originally Posted by Dog Hunter

Red,
Just remember all dog hunters and dog clubs don't operate like this.

I understand this and I have posted in agreement with you before. We all make mistakes. In fact, we have other dog clubs around us that are very polite and respectful. In fact, they have actually helped us track deer before. It's just this one club that we have had problems with time and time again. The GW told the president that this would definitely have a bearing on them getting their dog hunting permit for next year.

Oh, the guy in the red truck has beed kicked out of the club. His grandfather was a founder and his dad had been a member for over 30 years.

Red

[deernbass]

where was it??

[thomas gose]

Originally Posted by Ol' Red

Preface: This is not a dog shooting thread.

My parents live on a small farm in SE GA. There is a judge that lives next door and a dog club across the street. Saturday, dad got a call from the judge saying he thought somebody was trespassing/hunting on or land. He had seen a dog(imagine that) run a deer right by his house and then a shot. Dad jumped on the tractor and started up the road when he saw a small red pickup. He waved at the driver to stop, but the driver punched the gas and took off with a dead deer hanging out of the back of the truck. There is a side road with only one way in and out that the guy came from so dad headed that way and caught another guy(the vice president of the club). Dad asked him if he knew he was trespassing and the guy said he was looking for a dog. They called the President of the club and the guy in the red pickup. When the guy in the pickup got there, he had hidden the deer in his dog box!! To make a long story short, Dad had the president, VP, the guy in the pickup and the game warden all together. Dad didn't want the guy to get arrested in front of his wife and kids so he told the GW not to take him to jail.

Dog hunters want to know why other hunters can't stand to be around them? Here you go. The guy's story was he had to shoot the deer to catch his dog(which was trespassing). This was the best lie he could come up with on the spot. To boot, it was yearling spike. This really burns me up that a guy would trespass, shoot a deer, lie about it TWICE, and then think he can justify it. This isn't the first time we've had a problem with this club, but I can tell you this, it will be the last. The club was served with their final warning for trespassing. From now on, they go to jail and the club gets cited. This incident went on their record.

Red

dont associate all dog hunters with this guy because that would make you just as ignorant.

[South GA Bow Only]

Ol' Red,
What county was this? I am having the same problems with a club and I am sick and tired of hearing the excuse "dogs can't read". I have trail came pics of dogs with tracking devices running does off of my hunting lease.

[Ol' Red]

Originally Posted by deernbass

where was it??

South of you.

Originally Posted by South GA Bow Only

Ol' Red,
What county was this? I am having the same problems with a club and I am sick and tired of hearing the excuse "dogs can't read". I have trail came pics of dogs with tracking devices running does off of my hunting lease.

Catch the dogs, catch the owners. Call the GW and have them cited or arrested. Apparently they have to apply for a permit to run dogs. Any citation will go in a permanent record and can effect their permit for the following year. Enough infractions will cause them to lose their club from what I understand. Heck, ask some of the dog hunting guys who have posted in this thread what the consequences are.

Red

[Dog Hunter]

Originally Posted by Ol' Red

Catch the dogs, catch the owners. Call the GW and have them cited or arrested. Apparently they have to apply for a permit to run dogs. Any citation will go in a permanent record and can effect their permit for the following year. Enough infractions will cause them to lose their club from what I understand. Heck, ask some of the dog hunting guys who have posted in this thread what the consequences are.

Red

Red is correct.


SGBO,
What club is giving you trouble?

[mriver72]

I thought you had to put your name on the dog collars when you got a permit ?

[Dog Hunter]

Originally Posted by mriver72

I thought you had to put your name on the dog collars when you got a permit ?

Suppose to have a name and number on the collar. Notice I said suppose to. There are some that don't.

[sgtstinky]

One of the properties I hunt has problems with poachers running their dogs on the property. I just don't get it? They have lost dogs on the property for several years in a row. If I recall correctly, I even think one of them was arrested. Why is it that one bad apple can just ruin it for the bunch?

[South GA Bow Only]

Dog Hunter,
Evans County. A guy near my area said it is Cedar Creek hunt club.
I talked to a man that is friends with some of the guys and he said they have 1000 acres next to me and what they are doing is legal. I don't understand how everytime they hunt the dogs end up on my lease. There is 80 acres between me and their place that they don't have permission to hunt. Will dogs get off track that much?

[Woodsman69]

Some of y'all have no clue about dog hunting. I have not been in 6 years but I still say it's the best form of deer hunting out there, 100% pure fun!

[gsujwh]

Like some of the others have said I'm sorry you have had bad experiences with these dog hunters, but please dont hold that against all of us. How far off a particular tract of land dogs will go depends on several things (what breed of dog it is, how fast the deer is running) dogs have been known to cross entire counties before, but generally dont. I know members of our club make every effort to keep dogs off of surrounding clubs and generally we do, which is why our club is in good standing with these still hunting clubs and occasionally get invited to run dogs on their land.

[Ozzie]

I'm not a dog hunter at all, but a dog running through the thick stuff can be your best friend when the hunting gets slow after the rut. I've personally benefitted several times from having stray dogs run deer by my stand. Deer do the same thing with dogs they do with human hunters, they lay still in the thick cover until you almost step on them. Having a dog or two around is like a free deer drive, they'll go in and force those deer out of the brush. I get excited whenever I hear a dog coming because I know they'll push those deep thicket deer off their beds and I might get a shot.

[South GA Bow Only]

Some of y'all have no clue about dog hunting. I have not been in 6 years but I still say it's the best form of deer hunting out there, 100% pure fun!

Nothing against dog hunting. Just get frustrated sometimes. I am for ANY kind of hunting.

[firewalker78]

Yeah i dont think you should say DOG HUNTERS like we are all bad or something. I hunt both dogs and still love em both. I agree there are some bad apples out there but also you gotta walk a mile in the others shoes to understand too.

[jaymax00]

I still hunt and dog hunt, I have seen it on both sides. Dog hunters and Still Hunters trespass, That does not make me dislike the method. It makes me dislike the hunter. In the dog club Im in we have a great relationship with surrounding land owners. We meet with them and help cut the road sides on there property and many more things. They know we will go to the greatest legths to stop our dogs. If we cant we will catch them with our guns unloaded, and we never go where we are not welcomed. If we have to we catch them on the highway. As far as the "CONSEQUENCES" I have not had an issue yet. I think we{dog hunters} have to be pro active in making friends and not enemies.

[Dawgs30814]

Originally Posted by Ol' Red

Preface: This is not a dog shooting thread.

My parents live on a small farm in SE GA. There is a judge that lives next door and a dog club across the street. Saturday, dad got a call from the judge saying he thought somebody was trespassing/hunting on or land. He had seen a dog(imagine that) run a deer right by his house and then a shot. Dad jumped on the tractor and started up the road when he saw a small red pickup. He waved at the driver to stop, but the driver punched the gas and took off with a dead deer hanging out of the back of the truck. There is a side road with only one way in and out that the guy came from so dad headed that way and caught another guy(the vice president of the club). Dad asked him if he knew he was trespassing and the guy said he was looking for a dog. They called the President of the club and the guy in the red pickup. When the guy in the pickup got there, he had hidden the deer in his dog box!! To make a long story short, Dad had the president, VP, the guy in the pickup and the game warden all together. Dad didn't want the guy to get arrested in front of his wife and kids so he told the GW not to take him to jail.

Dog hunters want to know why other hunters can't stand to be around them? Here you go. The guy's story was he had to shoot the deer to catch his dog(which was trespassing). This was the best lie he could come up with on the spot. To boot, it was yearling spike. This really burns me up that a guy would trespass, shoot a deer, lie about it TWICE, and then think he can justify it. This isn't the first time we've had a problem with this club, but I can tell you this, it will be the last. The club was served with their final warning for trespassing. From now on, they go to jail and the club gets cited. This incident went on their record.

Red

You know whats bad is how you talk about dog hunters. Its not dog hunters that trespass. All type of hunters trespass its the ones the don't respect other peoples stuff. And what's really bad is HUNTERS against HUNTERS. I do both and I enjoy doing both.

[simpleman30]

as far as the rules go regarding deer hunting with dogs, these are some facts:

-if you own 250 acres, you can apply for a permit to hunt deer with dogs on that property.
-to hunt deer with dogs on leased property, you must have 1000 contiguous acres. many people get around this by having the landowner get the permit for them.
-the dog's collar must contain the owner's name, contact number, and the club's permit number.
-any vehicles used to hunt deer with dogs must have the permit number clearly visible on the front or rear of the vehicle
-an individual's deer-dog license may be revoked if he/she is a habitual violator of deer-dog hunting regulations.
-a club's permit can be revoked if there are numerous complaints, violations, etc. against the club.

here is the link to the regulations governing hunting deer with dogs. just think that only 5 years ago, there was no regulations regarding this sport and many doghunters could and would go where they wanted. these rules were created by doghunters so that our children and grandchildren could continue to enjoy our sport. credit should be given to the Georgia Dog Hunters Association and the Georgia Hunting and Fishing Federation for creating laws and policing themselves and their members so that a Georgia hunting tradition doesn't go the way of the dinosaurs.

http://www.georgiawildlife.org/Asset...391-4-2-17.pdf

Georgia Hunting and Fishing Federation: http://www.ghff.us/main/index.php

[67chevyjr]

This makes me sick hunters bashing other hunters. What the guy did might have been wrong but come on people. Hunters should be united and stand up for hunting not take each other down there are plenty of other groups, org trying to do that. Besides i guarantee you there are more still hunters that trespass because they dont get caught. I love both dog hunting and still hunting. Dont knock it till you try it.

[Ol' Red]

Originally Posted by 67chevyjr

This makes me sick hunters bashing other hunters. What the guy did might have been wrong but come on people. Hunters should be united and stand up for hunting not take each other down there are plenty of other groups, org trying to do that. Besides i guarantee you there are more still hunters that trespass because they dont get caught. I love both dog hunting and still hunting. Dont knock it till you try it.

So by your rationale, we should let dogs just run lose because "they can't read." Sorry, not going to happen. What he did might have been wrong?!?!? Are you serious? He broke several laws and could have gone to jail. It's our land. If we don't want deer dogs or their owners on it, then that should be respected. Do you think that club would allow me to come over there during the week and shoot a few deer whenever I want? I'm not against dog hunters...just lying, stealing, trespassing criminals. This guy and the others caught just happened to be a dog hunters.

Red

[aztecrider]

What right do you think you have as an adjoining property owner to negatively impact me in any manner what so ever on my own property? Any manner includes trespassing, dogs entering my property, game retrieval, poaching, baiting on my property, etc.

I think this question should be answered by all dog hunters that are negatively impacting their neighbors and all still hunters that are trespassing or negatively impacting their neighbors.

Answer - It is not anyone's right to negatively impact people on their own property. This is why we have property "boundaries".

[Dog Hunter]

Originally Posted by 67chevyjr

This makes me sick hunters bashing other hunters. What the guy did might have been wrong but come on people. Hunters should be united and stand up for hunting not take each other down there are plenty of other groups, org trying to do that. Besides i guarantee you there are more still hunters that trespass because they dont get caught. I love both dog hunting and still hunting. Dont knock it till you try it.

First, I wouldn't call a trespasser a hunter.

Don't think red is trying to knock doghunting. Just outlaws, who in this case was a dog hunter.

[Mechanicaldawg]

Originally Posted by 67chevyjr

This makes me sick hunters bashing other hunters. What the guy did might have been wrong but come on people. Hunters should be united and stand up for hunting.....

THIS is what makes me sick!

No one is talking about 'hunting'. The thread is about 'trespassing' and/or 'property rights'.

I'll not stick with anyone who looks for pity or unity under the title 'hunter' when they are, in fact, damaging the heritage and future of that title.

(Sorry to agree with your position Red!)

PS- I love dog hunting and dog hunters. I don't like trespassers regardless of what activity they practice.

[simpleman30]

as a doghunter, i have had run-ins with trespassing stillhunters and trespassing doghunters. it's one thing if the dogs get off of the property and you call the landowner to ask him for permission to retrieve your dogs, as my club and countless other clubs do. but when someone illegally kills a deer, still-hunting or dog-hunting, or a doghunter illegally turns his dogs out on nonpermitted property with complete disregard for the landowner or lease holder, they should get the appropriate punishment.

[cotton top]

If they are slob hunters it don't matter if they are anti dog or pro dog, they are still gonna be a SLOB

[urdaddyjeep]

i dont see what the problem is with what Red's dad did.. he saw the guy on his land.. the guy shot the deer on said land.. the guy tried to run away from land owner.. guy in the red truck should be lucky it wasnt my land... I would have shot him took his dog and sold the truck.. when asked by the cops I would have told them oh sorry thought he was a deer...

hunt my land without asking... dont call the cops when you get back to your truck and it has 4 flat tires. put a stand on my land dont call GW cause its gone... I have taken deer away from people that have hunted on my land without asking.. told them there are 2 ways of doing this.. 1. we call the GW 2. I just take the deer and no you cant have your tag back.

[Parker Phoenix]

Personal property rights trump all hunting rights. Dog hunting is not the issue, the issue is tresspassing.

[GA1dad]

Originally Posted by Ol' Red

Preface:

Dog hunters want to know why other hunters can't stand to be around them? Here you go.

Red

Red, I have a feeling you didn't mean it negatively,,,,,,,,, but this was a totally ridiculous statement.!!!!!

Your thread,(and the whole situation) has nothing to do with dog hunters. The whole thing has to do with a POACHER. The "poacher" used many tools to commit his crime. A gun, a truck, and a dog.

What if you heard someone describe this situation and they made the same statement you did,,,,,,, minus the word "dog".


"--- hunters want to know why other---s can't stand to be around them? Here you go."

I'm sure you'd be quick to point out the difference between a hunter and a poacher.????



Again,,,,,, having read your other posts in this thread,,,,, I'm sure you didn't mean all dog hunters. But we hunters have to be careful,,,,,,, we are all under fire from someone.

-Jay

[Itchy Finger]

I've said it and I'll say it again; Running deer with dogs causes nothing but problems and should be outlawed! That's right, I said it!! I hope Georgia will outlaw this crap! Doggers can't control a deer dog no matter how hard they try! That is if they even do try to control them.

I don't want to hear this crap about "US" hunters sticking together, either. That's not hunting as far as I'm concerned!

Another year went by having to deal with idiots who run deer with dogs! Same ol', same ol'! I can't believe You guys get away with such bull crap! It's so ridiculous! How can this crap be allowed with all the problems that's caused by doggers and their stinking hounds?

Us hunters and land owners have to put up with so much (Profanity Goes Here) from dogging. The doggers get all the laws protecting them. What about us who want to enjoy our land peacefully with out dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs all over our property? It's hard to catch a dog to report a violation so that won't work. Talking to them won't either (not the dogs dummy, the owners). I don't care if a dog gets on my land one time...that's one time too many!

I say outlaw this (Profanity Goes Here) and let the chips fall where they may! I've had enough of it!

Now, think before you respond to this post! Mods, please bear with me. I'm not trying to be an Jerk, I'm just tired of having to deal with jerks!

[Dog Hunter]

Originally Posted by Itchy Finger

I've said it and I'll say it again; Running deer with dogs causes nothing but problems and should be outlawed! That's right, I said it!! I hope Georgia will outlaw this crap! Doggers can't control a deer dog no matter how hard they try! That is if they even do try to control them.

I don't want to hear this crap about "US" hunters sticking together, either. That's not hunting as far as I'm concerned!

Another year went by having to deal with idiots who run deer with dogs! Same ol', same ol'! I can't believe You guys get away with such bull crap! It's so ridiculous! How can this crap be allowed with all the problems that's caused by doggers and their stinking hounds?

Us hunters and land owners have to put up with so much (Profanity Goes Here) from dogging. The doggers get all the laws protecting them. What about us who want to enjoy our land peacefully with out dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs, dogs all over our property? It's hard to catch a dog to report a violation so that won't work. Talking to them won't either (not the dogs dummy, the owners). I don't care if a dog gets on my land one time...that's one time too many!

I say outlaw this (Profanity Goes Here) and let the chips fall where they may! I've had enough of it!

Now, think before you respond to this post! Mods, please bare with me. I'm not trying to be an Jerk, I'm just tired of having to deal with jerks!

Well, this took longer than I thought. I don't guess I can say anything, since in your eyes I am just an idiot. I see it in a whole different light then you though. Laws protection dog hunters??? That is a stretch there.

Best thing is for me to stay out of this.

BTW, what county are you having issues in?

[Itchy Finger]

[quote=...Best thing is for me to stay out of this.[/QUOTE]

But you can't! And that's my point! Doggers have NO control of themselves or their precious hounds! That's right!

Hey, if you never have your dog get onto another persons property then don't be offended! But, I guarantee you (If you own hounds) it happens and happens a lot! And that's what I mean, once released a hound is going where he or the deer, hog or whatever takes him to! You might stop him, but you sure won't control him!

I hunt in McIntosh and Liberty counties! If you do to, chances are I've brought you or your club some hounds more than once!

Don't try to justify any problems caused by deer-dogging , either. I've heard it all! It's a problem and that's all there is to it! NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS!

I'm sure some Deer-dogging scientists will get on here and kindly correct me!

BAN DEER-DOGGING!

[Dog Hunter]

To each their own.
No, I am far from McIntosh and Liberty Co. Never said some clubs/person weren't a problem. Very aware of that. But grouping all dog hunters together isn't right .

[jmfauver]

I have not dog hunted before, but I can say that there is a club across the street from where I play golf.I have heard shots hit the trees on the golf course and I do not like having bullets fly around without being armed myself.

I have shot deer and they have gone onto property that I do not have permission to be on,I have had some landowners allow me to recover/track my deer ( one even called his neighbor after the deer went onto there land) and others have refused to allow me to recover and I watch them go out and pick it up themselves,either way TRESPASSING is illegal and we HUNTERS should respect the landowners ....

[Dog Hunter]

Originally Posted by Beasley

Even if the dogs get on your land it aint like their gonna run the deer off and away to another county. Thats the problem with the world today, to many selfish greedy landowners like yerself trying to control everything. If you hate dogs and dog hunting so bad why dont you just leave the county and go hunt the northern zone !
EDITED TO REMOVE PERSONAL ATTACK

In all reality, this is what is causing us all the problems with dog hunting. It doesn't matter if they run all the deer off or not, it is not the place for them to be. The other hunters/landowners have just as much right to hunt their land as they see fit to. The majority of land owners/hunters are not trying to control everything, they just ask us to keep our dogs on our land. If we would work with the adjanect land owners and hunters we would not be in the position we are in today and life and hunting would be a lot more enjoyed for everyone.

BTW, your reaction/post is the exact thing that a lot of them want. You have done the dog hunting community no favors by your reply

[simpleman30]

when they do ban deer-doggin, and it will happen one day, you will still have problems with rogue deer dog hunters. the sad thing is that the intolerance and arrogance of individuals like itchy finger will create a law that bans a tradition rooted deep in the land and families that go hand-in-hand with the sport. it will take more than a law and a fine of a few hundred bucks to stop me and the thousands of others who enjoy deer hunting with dogs. until then, i will abide by the laws set forth by the state and do my best to respect my neighboring landowners and lease holders.

[Itchy Finger]

Originally Posted by Dog Hunter

In all reality, this is what is causing us all the problems with dog hunting. It doesn't matter if they run all the deer off or not, it is not the place for them to be. The other hunters/landowners have just as much right to hunt their land as they see fit to. The majority of land owners/hunters are not trying to control everything, they just ask us to keep our dogs on our land. If we would work with the adjanect land owners and hunters we would not be in the position we are in today and life and hunting would be a lot more enjoyed for everyone.

Good attitude and I wish all the other doggers would have the same. Still, it won't stop me and many others who have to put up with all the problems that go along with YOUR so-called sport! If you can keep dogs on your land then I applaud you and your club. That is all myself and many others want! Peace and respect!

Those who do not want this junk going on their property should not have to put up with it, PERIOD! Also, we are the ones accused of being the bad neighbor and trouble makers when we don't like the problems deer-dogging causes! We are not, we just want to be able to enjoy ourselves! I know I'm wasting my time, but maybe some will wise up. Maybe!

[Itchy Finger]

Originally Posted by simpleman30

when they do ban deer-doggin, and it will happen one day, you will still have problems with rogue deer dog hunters. the sad thing is that the intolerance and arrogance of individuals like itchy finger will create a law that bans a tradition rooted deep in the land and families that go hand-in-hand with the sport. it will take more than a law and a fine of a few hundred bucks to stop me and the thousands of others who enjoy deer hunting with dogs. until then, i will abide by the laws set forth by the state and do my best to respect my neighboring landowners and lease holders.

Yep, TRADITION of nothing but problems, problems, problems! All I want is dogs kept off of my land! But, if dogging is to continue that will NEVER happen!

Yep, I'm whining! Here me whine! If I have to listen to your hounds then hear me cry too!

[simpleman30]

well, for now, it's just something you have to deal with.

[RocketRider]

I'm glad I live in the northern zone,,,I don't think I could put up with dogs running through my deer woods,,is that a real sport anyways?,,personally, I think its a way for lazy hunters to hunt,,and as for us hunters "must ban together" I don't consider a person that uses a dog to push a deer to them where all they have to do is shoot it,,that's not a hunter!!! so you are different than me,,I'm a real hunter,,,and you use a dog to hunt for you,,I say ban it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I would shoot the dog,,,and let the deer run

[South GA Bow Only]

I also think the time has come to band dog hunting. Let the dog hunters still hunt or quit hunting. Both counties I hunt in allow it and to be honest the buck quality sucks in both. These guys shoot everything they see.

[georgiabuck6]

Well, Well this has gotten ugly... but let me make some comments...

First off jmfauver, i see your from Hephzibah, and i believe i know that golf course your talking about, and before you throw assumptions you may want to talk to the 3 "strictly" still hunting clubs that completly surround that course before you say those stray "bullets" came a dog hunter using buckshot at-least 550 yards inside a thick tree line that is atleast 450 yards from #1 tee box. Not jumping on your case just thought that a high powered rifle would have a better chance of making to those trees on the golf course!

Next some probs i have had with the green comments....

"Doggers have NO control of themselves or their precious hounds!"

In fact sir I do have control over myself, If you knew me you would have to agree, and hopefully take back that statement. As for my precious hounds (which are precious to me) I have all the control over my hounds as you do your house dog, it is the deer i do not have control over, I do just about whatever is needed to keep my dogs off of other land owners properties whether they mind or not. you sir have a problem with rouge clubs that you need to handle with your local DNR officer. Not the sport as a whole!!!

"I don't want to hear this crap about "US" hunters sticking together, either. That's not hunting as far as I'm concerned!!!".

What about rabbit hunting w/dogs, what about coon hunting w/dogs, what about bird hunting w/dogs.. would you call those hunting? I do!! I also enjoy these types of hunting yearly and love them as do many people on this forum!! But they are all basicaly used for the same purpose as running deer/hogs w/dogs, so should they ban them too?? Or is your idea of hunting sitting in a heated box looking over a peanut feild with 30 does in it trying to to figure out which one to shoot?? I only kill one or two deer a year dog hunting, ITS NOT THAT EASY, but i can kill a limit sitting in a stand all year,if i had an "itchy finger" I just choose the method that is not so boring!!!

"It's hard to catch a dog to report a violation so that won't work." and "If you do to, chances are I've brought you or your club some hounds more than once!"

Those sound like conflicting statements if you ask me!!!

"I'm sure some Deer-dogging scientists will get on here and kindly correct me!"

Call me what you want, I love the sport and the form of HUNTING, and I imagine you love yours. what really bothers me is you say dont say anything about sticking together as hunters, when now is when we need it most. What is hurting the hunting community worse is people fighting over what kind of hunting is right or wrong, the best type of hunting, ect.. not the anti's. The anti's are sitting back laughing at us pull each other apart and putting a damper on the hunting community. But fine say what you want about deer doggin. all I have to say is hunters who make those kinds of comments have pushed me and several others to the point of stating that if dog hunting is banned we will fight to get all other types of hunting banned because splitting hairs on what hunting is right and what hunting is wrong is ruining hunting all together. Thanks,
Quint

[georgiabuck6]

Some more comments that i have some problems with....

"I think its a way for lazy hunters to hunt"

Man i still hunt too, i plant food plots, put up stands, use supplemental food during the off-season for that!! On top of that as a dog hunter I plant food plots, scout, use supplement food duing the off-season, clean roads, ect... and i feed dogs, clean pens/water buckets, and care for my dogs 365 day a year. During dog drives i can walk up to 3 miles 2 or three times a day to jump a deer!! What is lazy about that?? When I feel lazy I go sit in a stand!!

"and as for us hunters "must ban together""

That is exactly what you are not doing!!

"I don't consider a person that uses a dog to push a deer to them where all they have to do is shoot it,,"

It is apparent to me you are knocking something before you've tried it. If it was that easy, i wouldnt want to do it and if i did my season would have been over in October!! And what is the differance in running deer w/dogs than rabbits, coons or flushing quail w/dogs??

"I would shoot the dog,,,and let the deer run"

One question would you want your pet shot just because some one didnt like dogs?? That statement is unfair!

"Both counties I hunt in allow it and to be honest the buck quality sucks in both. These guys shoot everything they see."

Again you are grouping all dog hunters with some bad apples you have dealt with! And if all the nice bucks in your county have been shot, i would be looking for spotlighters not Dog hunters!!

"Let the dog hunters still hunt or quit hunting."

Now you are forcing HUNTERS! Agian like i said in mt previous post, ban it but get used to watching football on the couch in the fall, if one form goes they are all bound to go!!

Thanks again
Quint

[georgiabuck6]

Oh and to get back to the threads original post, Red sorry to hear about the trespasser, those are the type of people who give all hunters a bad name!! I think your parents handled it well and I kinda hope that club does not draw a permit next year because We as hunters dont need those kind of people spoiling hunting for the rest of us!!