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Old 07-07-2009, 06:37 PM
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Set up with a good rifle a few hundred yards off and start calling with coyote pup distress calls. Whack 'em all.
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Just curious Nick, but what would your conscious tell you to do?
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My conscience and me are real good friends, but I don`t kill helpless babies.
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X2....... I'm not a baby killer either.
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throw a roach fogger or two in their and shoot them all as they run out. just remember to:shoot :
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objectivley speaking what difference does it make what age you kill them.....they are varmits and are detrimental to deer and small game. granted its not as sporty as havin one come to your predator call and wackin him from a 100yds away......in my opinion the only difference between killin one that hunts and killin one that gets fed is the game they hunt and kill while they are living.....so dead is dead be it 8weeks or 4yrs....only with the 8week old youre ahead a few more rabbits and deer fawns......in case you cant tell i really dont like coyotes
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My conscience and me are real good friends, but I don`t kill helpless babies.
I hope "babies" that you are not talking about "baby" coyotes, because that would be the biggest bunch of coyote squeeze I've read lately.

So, if you found a litter of baby rats behind your refrigerator, you would .... what? What about "baby" cockroaches?

The baby coyote you don't kill and let grow to adulthood will be killing baby deer, turkey, kittens, chickens, and whatever else it can get it's teeth into. So your unwillingness to kill the baby yote results in the death of other "babies".
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It is a critter that is just trying to survive, like you and any other critter. Unlike humans though, they don't just kill for killing's sake, only for food. That puts them up a notch above many humans.
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First of all yall need to back off Nick........although I do disagree with him on this one but he is a man who has earned the respect of many on this board......which is deserved.


That being said, yes I would eliminate future threats to my quail rabbit, deer population in a minute.
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First of all yall need to back off Nick........although I do disagree with him on this one but he is a man who has earned the respect of many on this board......which is deserved.
Well said Branch.

As to baby rats . If they are in my house they die. If they are in the wild they get a pass.
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Gave some serious thought to this. I feel it depends on what I see in the scope. If they are just puppies and the parents are killed, the chances are the pups will not survive either. Probably would not kill the pups. But through the scope 100 or 300 hundred yards away it may be difficult to determine if they're pups, grow ups or full grown. I would let my conscience decide for me whether or not to squeeze the trigger at the time. BUT, my yote hunting should be that good.
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If I could figure out a way to kill every last one of them, I would. I shot a female coyote that obviously still had pups (milk sacks were full) once. I searched the area trying to find her den, but couldn't. I fully intended to wipe it out if I could.
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Ill take the pups! Raise em like they were my own,and release them into my neighbors yard. She has about 20 feral cats.
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don't like coyotes but feel the same way.....
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First of all yall need to back off Nick........although I do disagree with him on this one but he is a man who has earned the respect of many on this board......which is deserved.


That being said, yes I would eliminate future threats to my quail rabbit, deer population in a minute.

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I personally have no issues killing a yote of any age. They have really hurt our deer and turkey population so why wait for a young one to grow up and kill something before you hunt it. It's not like they have respect for us. Yotes are so difficult to kill you can't waste any chance.
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No disrespect was intended. Had Nic said "coyote pups look and remind me too much of dog pups for me to kill them" would have been okay. Those of us that are dog lovers can understand that. But coyotes, like feral cats in the U.S., have moved into the "pest" category. It is long since time that we realized that the cuddly immature forms of these animals grow up and terrorize environments that they were never supposed to exist in. Save a feral kitten, kill a song bird. To save coyote pups means that you *are* indirectly contributing to the deaths of other animals... animals that DO belong in Georgia's ecosystems. To equate killing of coyote pups with "killing babies" is just plain misguided.
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now if I can SHOOT 'em and make a HUMANE kill then I would have no problem killing them (pups)...I just wouldn't ever kill anything by poison, gassing, "treble hooking" or some of the other ignorant suggestions I've read in dealing with coyotes...humane kill vs cruelty is pretty much the barometer for my conscience.
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dont really care about coyotes too much. there aint enough of them around here to really worry about them, i hear them time to time hog hunting at night and i will admit, they will run chills down your spine when you have no weapon anywhere around you, just a couple bulldogs. i have no problem killing them, i remember when i was younger they used to always get our chickens and they got a bullet, regardless or age or size.i guess it just depends on what kinda mood im in when i see them whether they get to live or not. now everyone saying " they kill our deer". give me a break, the deer population isnt hurting a bit, if anything the coyotes need to take a few more out.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:09 PM
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Redmond 1858, I can show you where they have killed our deer. Even a new UGA study shows yotes kill mature deer. Maybe not on your property but definitely on mine. Be thankful you don't have any problems.
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objectivley speaking what difference does it make what age you kill them.....they are varmits and are detrimental to deer and small game. granted its not as sporty as havin one come to your predator call and wackin him from a 100yds away......in my opinion the only difference between killin one that hunts and killin one that gets fed is the game they hunt and kill while they are living.....so dead is dead be it 8weeks or 4yrs....only with the 8week old youre ahead a few more rabbits and deer fawns......in case you cant tell i really dont like coyotes
whats the difference between taking young yotes and older yotes? the dens on our place get a large fogger tossed in and a shovel to cover the den, i hate yotes.
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been known to kill deer with spots when I want real tender meat, guess a babby yote would be no problem, they try to kill my turkeys they die big, small ,babies etc. if it eats my turkeys it has to die
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well i guess that is about it, everyone hates yotes, while i dont like destroying nest, if game animal it is illegal. yotes is a different matter. thanks for parvo, it tries to keep the population in check.
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dont really care about coyotes too much. there aint enough of them around here to really worry about them, i hear them time to time hog hunting at night and i will admit, they will run chills down your spine when you have no weapon anywhere around you, just a couple bulldogs. i have no problem killing them, i remember when i was younger they used to always get our chickens and they got a bullet, regardless or age or size.i guess it just depends on what kinda mood im in when i see them whether they get to live or not. now everyone saying " they kill our deer". give me a break, the deer population isnt hurting a bit, if anything the coyotes need to take a few more out.

I hope this is a joke. I'm sure your smarter than this nonsence.
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I can't find the study, but here are a couple of observations from the study:

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In Georgia, University of Georgia researchers Brett Howze and Robert Warren chose a 29,000-acre swath with a low fawn-to-doe ratio. They removed coyotes from one large study block and kept another block of similar habitat as a control. Fall camera data showed that fawn-to-doe ratios were more than 10 times larger in the area where coyotes were removed than in the control area.
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We have located a couple on our property. What should we do next?


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No disrespect was intended. Had Nic said "coyote pups look and remind me too much of dog pups for me to kill them" would have been okay. Those of us that are dog lovers can understand that. But coyotes, like feral cats in the U.S., have moved into the "pest" category. It is long since time that we realized that the cuddly immature forms of these animals grow up and terrorize environments that they were never supposed to exist in. Save a feral kitten, kill a song bird. To save coyote pups means that you *are* indirectly contributing to the deaths of other animals... animals that DO belong in Georgia's ecosystems. To equate killing of coyote pups with "killing babies" is just plain misguided.


I took no offense at your statement.

I base my thoughts on the fact that for thousands of years, red wolves roamed this part of the country. They did not wipe out the deer, turkeys, or anything else. They simply did the job they were designed to do, which is be a predator, same as the coyote that has replaced it, is doin`. Sure coyotes are gonna take some fawns. That`s how they make a livin`, but they won`t get em all. Neither will bobcats. I see trailcam pics put on here, with coyotes totin` fawns, or fryin` size pieces of fawns, and see the uproar that accompanies it. Might as well accept it, this is how Nature operates, always has, always will. And it works purty well, till we try to meddle with it and make it better. The game birds and animals are not just for us, thye are part of the bigger scheme of things. If we could kill off all the predators, the results would be a mess that we could not get out of, in my opinion. And I don`t worry about coyotes takin` over down here anyway. Heartworms, parvo, and distemper will keep them in check.

Now, I will kill a grown coyote given the chance when huntin`, done it before, and will do it again. But, I will not kill coyote puppies, whether with gas, poison, bullets, fire, chokin`, grinnin` em down, or whatever.

If that makes me less of a man, well, I reckon I can live with that fact. But that`s just the way I am.

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I took no offense at your statement.

I base my thoughts on the fact that for thousands of years, red wolves roamed this part of the country. They did not wipe out the deer, turkeys, or anything else. They simply did the job they were designed to do, which is be a predator, same as the coyote that has replaced it, is doin`. Sure coyotes are gonna take some fawns. That`s how they make a livin`, but they won`t get em all. Neither will bobcats. I see trailcam pics put on here, with coyotes totin` fawns, or fryin` size pieces of fawns, and see the uproar that accompanies it. Might as well accept it, this is how Nature operates, always has, always will. And it works purty well, till we try to meddle with it and make it better. The game birds and animals are not just for us, thye are part of the bigger scheme of things. If we could kill off all the predators, the results would be a mess that we could not get out of, in my opinion. And I don`t worry about coyotes takin` over down here anyway. Heartworms, parvo, and distemper will keep them in check.

Now, I will kill a grown coyote given the chance when huntin`, done it before, and will do it again. But, I will not kill coyote puppies, whether with gas, poison, bullets, fire, chokin`, grinnin` em down, or whatever.

If that makes me less of a man, well, I reckon I can live with that fact. But that`s just the way I am.

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they're not a part of this natural ecosystem, unless you want to change the rules?

armadilloes, big snakes, coyotes, hogs, japanese honeysuckle, kudzu, privit, cockleburs, etc.

where is the boundary line? if one exotic is OK, then why not ALL the others, also??

cherry Red Foxes are apparently under attack from coyote encroachment. is this a problem or not??

why not semi-wild Zebras running loose on WMA's? just asking.
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they're not a part of this natural ecosystem, unless you want to change the rules?

armadilloes, big snakes, coyotes, hogs, japanese honeysuckle, kudzu, privit, cockleburs, etc.

where is the boundary line? if one exotic is OK, then why not ALL the others, also??

cherry Red Foxes are apparently under attack from coyote encroachment. is this a problem or not??

why not semi-wild Zebras running loose on WMA's? just asking.


Who is to say, or not to say, that the coyotes we have here now, are part red wolf? I don`t think that Redneck Bill Collector will mind me bringin` some of his thoughts into this. His observations on this subject are worth readin`. And very interestin`. It has sure made me take better notice of what they might be. And if so, it won`t be a bad thing. Just think how dull this place would be without a little excitement.

I know this. I see no shortage of deer, turkeys, or any other critters down here in SW Georgia, and I am in the woods everyday, somewhere between the Alabama line, the Florida line, Ty Ty, and Smithville. That`s a purty big territory.
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well i guess that is about it, everyone hates yotes, while i dont like destroying nest, if game animal it is illegal. yotes is a different matter. thanks for parvo, it tries to keep the population in check.
Maybe I need to reread the regs on that, I thought I read that disturbing wildlife dens was illegal, I don't remember there being a distintion beween game animal and non-game animal. i will know fer sure tomorrow cuz I emailed the ranger.
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Who is to say, or not to say, that the coyotes we have here now, are part red wolf? I don`t think that Redneck Bill Collector will mind me bringin` some of his thoughts into this. His observations on this subject are worth readin`. And very interestin`. It has sure made me take better notice of what they might be. And if so, it won`t be a bad thing. Just think how dull this place would be without a little excitement.

I know this. I see no shortage of deer, turkeys, or any other critters down here in SW Georgia, and I am in the woods everyday, somewhere between the Alabama line, the Florida line, Ty Ty, and Smithville. That`s a purty big territory.
Nic, i don't know. seems like it would be fruitful for a full-scale DNA study be performed (or updated) in relation to the captured/killed coyotes, and their DNA ancestry as revealed by post-modern day scientific methods?

it would be good to know how much Wolf-blood (if any) remains in todays coyote population.

but, all of that money and effort is but a slice of the whole story. how about the other exotics, who do not test out? do they stay, or do they get removed? and, if the choice or decision is made for removal, who accomplishes it, the licensed hunters, or gov't contractors???
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Nic, i don't know. seems like it would be fruitful for a full-scale DNA study be performed (or updated) in relation to the captured/killed coyotes, and their DNA ancestry as revealed by post-modern day scientific methods?

it would be good to know how much Wolf-blood (if any) remains in todays coyote population.

but, all of that money and effort is but a slice of the whole story. how about the other exotics, who do not test out? do they stay, or do they get removed? and, if the choice or decision is made for removal, who accomplishes it, the licensed hunters, or gov't contractors???
Mother Nature. Animals have been migrating, just as humans have, since the beginning of time. Who are we to determine what is best for the future balance of the ecology? Everytime man has done what he thought was best he just messed it up more.

Now as far as plants are concerned, those were brought in, not migrated. That is a different issue.
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Nic, i don't know. seems like it would be fruitful for a full-scale DNA study be performed (or updated) in relation to the captured/killed coyotes, and their DNA ancestry as revealed by post-modern day scientific methods?

it would be good to know how much Wolf-blood (if any) remains in todays coyote population.

but, all of that money and effort is but a slice of the whole story. how about the other exotics, who do not test out? do they stay, or do they get removed? and, if the choice or decision is made for removal, who accomplishes it, the licensed hunters, or gov't contractors???

I personally like to see all the other exotics get gone, but I don`t have a clue how they would accomplish this. I do know for a fact that I would not want the government involved. The government aint got enough sense to pour water out of a boot, with the directions wrote on the heel.
As far as the coyotes go, we have been tryin` to wipe them out since the first livestock man set foot on the continent. Not only have we failed miserably, but they have thrived. Coyotes and cockroaches will be here long after we are gone.
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:00 PM
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Mother Nature. Animals have been migrating, just as humans have, since the beginning of time. Who are we to determine what is best for the future balance of the ecology? Everytime man has done what he thought was best he just messed it up more.

Now as far as plants are concerned, those were brought in, not migrated. That is a different issue.
Good points, all. just saw an interesting article the other day in relation to Argentine Ants.

there's a global colony, or almost. they all relate to each other, as family. all because mankind helped their migration across the globe.

i know we're far away from coyotes in Georgia, and the original Red Wolves, but heh, it's interesting anyways.

DNA testing and research can and will reveal much, if it can be properly funded.
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Lets all focus our attention and efforts on killing all the Fire Ants!!! I have plenty in a pasture if anyone wants to hunt them!!!
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Importing of coyotes into the southeast by fox hunters (bc of decreasing fox #'s they started hunting yotes) was primarily responsible for the coyote populations we have here today. If you'd like I give you a link to scientific literature that says so.
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Just pm me.
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If you kill off all your coyotes in your area, then you stand a chance of a smaller weaker buck breeding and spreading his weaker genes into the herd, same for your turkey. The coyotes may be helping the quality of the game we have. I for one think it takes more of a man to hunt fair chase than to stand over a coyote den and kill some young pups.
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Now, I will kill a grown coyote given the chance when huntin`, done it before, and will do it again. But, I will not kill coyote puppies, whether with gas, poison, bullets, fire, chokin`, grinnin` em down, or whatever.

If that makes me less of a man, well, I reckon I can live with that fact. But that`s just the way I am.
Nic,

I used to think kind of the same way. Didn't hunt them when they might have pups dependent on parents. Came to the position varmints is varmints and decided killing them whenever is just fine. Never could figure a way to decide when it was wrong to shoot a young varmint. No hesitation now, they all get shot all the time. If I caught a coyote carrying a pup with it's eyes still shut they'd both get shot.

If that makes me less of a man, well, I reckon I can live with that fact. But that`s just the way I am. At least now anyway. They're just part of an undesirable population.
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