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I have owned a car lot full of 4x4's but never a Diesel.. Unless you count the 85 chevy converted olds Diesel junk I had many years ago..

It's time for new truck.well let me back up I never buy new.. It's time for good used truck.. I have been looking at a lot of trucks mostly gas burners.. But I want a long bed crew cab 4x4 not a lot of gas burners out there like that,but a ton of Diesels.. I know Diesels tend to be high cost maintainance wise. And at times finding fuel can be hard around town

PROS and CONS.. Experiances?
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I love diesels and have owned 3 of them so far, all Fords. I really wanted a Dodge/Cummins this last go around, but couldn't find a used one priced right. There is a book full of pros and cons.

The diesels usually give better mileage truck for truck. I.e. the diesels are usually 3/4 ton (or 1 ton) trucks, so they can't really be compared to a 1/2 ton truck. I have not seen any 3/4 ton 4x4 gas trucks that turn in mileage in the 17-21 mpg range empty. When loaded or towing, the diesels are much more economical. My truck (a 1997) usually turns in 17 mpg pulling 7000 pounds at normal speeds and an honest 19 empty. The torque really helps when towing and maintaining speed on grades.

Maintainance is higher in that my truck holds almost $40 worth of oil plus a $10 filter, and I change the oil myself. But they do not have spark plugs, although the newer gas trucks rarely need them replaced these days. Diesel in my area today was $2.66/gallon and gas was $2.45. The older diesels are very simple and easy to work on yourself. I do most of the repairs myself so far.

One other factor to consider is that older diesel truck transmissions are their weak point. Until Dodge and Chevy started using Allisons, the transmissions could not stand the diesel vibration and torque.

Diesel engines generally last much longer than gas. If you plan on keeping the truck up, you can expect to reach 300,000 miles or more without too much expense.

I personally bought the last diesel to run biodiesel that I make for about $1.25 a gallon, so that is a big perk.

The only negatives for me is the extra weight of a diesel hinders me off road and it is noiser.

You didn't mention if you tow or haul heavy loads a lot, and that is a big factor. I would suggest creating a spread sheet and comparing diesel to gas for the mileage you drive. And consider the cost of purchasing the truck. If you can find a gas truck, it should be significantly cheaper.
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Nope..no thanks...been there,done it.
I'll stick with a large V-8 Gas.
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Take a look at what you do with the truck. If you ride the highway alot and don't tow much, I would stick with a gas burner. If you plan on towing much, might want to take a look at a coal burner. I bought an 01 F250 7.3 and have not looked back. I really like the diesel for my application, 27 ft travel trailer. After a few aftermarket upgrades, the truck gets 24-25 mpg unloaded on highway and 15-17 mpg towing the trailer. If you don't "need" the diesel, don't spend the 10,000 - 14,000 extra on the motor. Also, if you trade trucks regularly I would go with a gas truck, they are easier to get rid of when the time comes. You really would'nt get your monies worth out a diesel unless you planned to keep it a while. The motors will last forever with proper care, shoot they only turn about 3500 rpm max.
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I have a diesel for the sole purpose of towing a fifth wheel camper. The low end torque makes it a must if you are towing heavy loads. Diesel is not hard to find these days as most QT's, Racetracs, etc have it.

If you aren't towing much then I would not see why you would want to spend the extra money.
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I've always had gas trucks and ended up with a GMC 2500HD, I'll never own another 1500 again! Several friends bought diesels and after driving one I fell in love!! I bought an 06 GMC 2500HD with the LBZ motor (best motor IMO) and get around 18 mpg running 285's with a tuner adding 90 horses. Driving the truck is like driving a hot rod!! It will give even mustangs and vette's a run for their money! My main reasoning was the fact that I really liked the classic body style and knew that I would be keeping it for a long time. Do yourself a favor and drive all three before staying with gas, you'll be VERY surprised! Today's diesels do not have the problems as did the diesels from years ago. I've always liked Chevys/GMC so my choice was easy. I'm not a Ford fan and don't like the current motor plus I feel it takes too much to make them fast as the other two. I like the Dodges except they are just too darn loud and rattleing, (their motor is rock solid but I think the transmission is the weak point) so the GMC (LBZ - 2006/07) is the best all around- IMO
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Stay away from Ford's 6.0 L diesel it is JUNK. I work at an EMS service and we have Fords with that motor and they give WAY to much trouble to even consider.IMO
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my dad has a 2000 f-250 7.3 powerstroke with 363000 miles been through a transmission ant 150000 2 water pumps and several cam position sensors before ford recalled them and havnt had a problem since. pulls a 8500 lb tractor and trailer pretty regularly no prob. i have an 2007 chevy 2500 with a duramax and the 7.3 cant touch it i love my truck and wouldnt have a gas burner the power dif. between gas and diesel is worth the 20 cents extra at the pump plus my duramax is getting 15-17 mpg dads powerstroke is getting 18-20mpg not many gas work trucks can do that
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Driving the truck is like driving a hot rod!! It will give even mustangs and vette's a run for their money!
This would be the main concern I would have in buying a used diesel...especially one that has had a tuner added to it.

These are trucks...not hotrods and driving them as such will significantly reduce the life of the engine.
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i bought one back in july. I love it except for the price of maintenance and fuel. I spend around $120 a week in diesel and $60 to change the oil myself. The fuel filters are also $50. Im debating getting rid of mine, but i love it.
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Drive one of each a dodge, chevy, and a ford and then drive the gas version.
I have a 04 dodge 3500 4x4 srw with the 5.9 lifted on 35's with a straight pipe, and intake and get 17-19 mpg unloaded.
I had a older gas dodge 1500 that got 10-12 mpg on 33's.
It just depends on what you do with it. Just stay away from 2007 and up when they added emission control it cut the milage. All of them have there problems just do a lot of research first I would go with a 5.9 cummins or a 7.3 powerstroke. I will probably never own another full size gas truck.

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unless you are paying cash you wont be able to buy any 7.3 powerstrokes. They wont finance them as they are too old. I have a 6.0 and havent had any problems out of the motor. I get 16mpg normal driving and around 13 pulling a load. I only have a intake on it though.
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Save your self alot of time and just get a Dodge with a Cummins Diesel .
you wont be Sorry.
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This would be the main concern I would have in buying a used diesel...especially one that has had a tuner added to it.

These are trucks...not hotrods and driving them as such will significantly reduce the life of the engine.


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Have had both but it's been 16 years or so since I've had my last diesel. A lot different now.
When I bought current truck, I really wanted a diesel, but it was very hard for me to justify the purchase and so, I bought a gasser.

There was combined rebates of $4500 on the gas 1500 trucks, NONE on the 2500s (gas or diesel), plus the dealer was matching the rebate, which equalled $9000 off list on my QC 4x4 Hemi. The three dealers I went to offered similar deals and all three would not drop off sticker on a diesel, as a matter of fact two dealers had a $2500 "adjusted market value" aftermarket sticker on the diesel trucks, that was about all I could get them to discount back off.

So, in my case, it would have been $18,300 MORE MONEY for a new Dodge diesel which had an MSRP of only $9300 more!

Because I did not tow any more than about 2200 lbs of bass boat, trailer and gear (which I don't own any more, btw), and I always have had a daily driver car or small suv and therefor rarely put any more than about 8,000 miles a year on my trucks, I could NOT justify the diesel.

IMO, if you do not haul regularly and do not put any more than 15,000 miles or so on your truck a year, then it's not worth the higher initial or long term maintenance costs of owning a diesel.

Now if you tow/haul or pile miles on your truck, then you should very seriously consider a diesel, IMO...
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You didn't mention if you tow or haul heavy loads a lot, and that is a big factor. I would suggest creating a spread sheet and comparing diesel to gas for the mileage you drive. And consider the cost of purchasing the truck. If you can find a gas truck, it should be significantly cheaper.
Looking at 3/4 ton 4x4 and I do tow a 5000# camper from time to time. I would also have my 4 wheeler in the bed.. So there is some weight involved.. I also only put about 10,000 miles a year on a truck.. they get drove during deer season and sometimes on the weekends during the off season.
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In all honesty you dont have to look for one under 100k miles just look for a good solid well taken care of truck. Most any used diesel will have or at least had a programmer of some sorts on it. If you do get one GET A PROGRAMMER put it on tow/haul and get you a extra 2-4 mpg. It will pay for itself in a few weeks.

Or just buy my Dodge and have one that is already got a few grand in motor work and will snatch the axles out from under ANY trailer.
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In all honesty you dont have to look for one under 100k miles just look for a good solid well taken care of truck. Most any used diesel will have or at least had a programmer of some sorts on it. If you do get one GET A PROGRAMMER put it on tow/haul and get you a extra 2-4 mpg. It will pay for itself in a few weeks.

Or just buy my Dodge and have one that is already got a few grand in motor work and will snatch the axles out from under ANY trailer.
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Myne gets best on preformence tune its a 100 hp tune.
with a boost fooler and puck Iam getting 475hp at tires.
Dyno proven.
on long trips with 70lbs in all tires and staying @ 70 mph I avrage 24.7 mph.
and Kill any mustand and most any outher gaser on road.
When I get my new suncoast and triple disk and programer on Extreme tuen I am hopeing to break 550hp.
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this has turned into a power trip for black smoke lovers!!!


Getting back to the subject at hand... IF YOU DONT PULL NOTHING DONT SPEND THE MONEY ON A DIESEL!!!

And by the way has anyone noticed how many HPs the new gas powerd trucks are putting out? 400 hp isnt that uncommon

i had a 6.0 powerstroke and after 3500 bucks worth of headgaskets and other odds n ends i traded it for a big block chevy dually with the allison tranny and can not complain.
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i had a 6.0 powerstroke and after 3500 bucks worth of headgaskets
there was a recall on that so you shouldnt have had to pay.
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Fo Sure sounds like a great time then maby we can take the Quads out for a walk.
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this has turned into a power trip for black smoke lovers!!!


Getting back to the subject at hand... IF YOU DONT PULL NOTHING DONT SPEND THE MONEY ON A DIESEL!!!

And by the way has anyone noticed how many HPs the new gas powerd trucks are putting out? 400 hp isnt that uncommon

i had a 6.0 powerstroke and after 3500 bucks worth of headgaskets and other odds n ends i traded it for a big block chevy dually with the allison tranny and can not complain.
Not realy a power trip.
Yes the gas trucks do come with more hp than before.
If you like running your truk up to 5k to get your power.
The Diesel is great for a daily driver less rpm less fuel longer life and Better re sale.
Also if you deside in the future to buy a bigger camper you will not halfto up grade your truck.
I usto pull for fima and outher rv dealers all around and let me tell you for Pullin Diesel is King.
My old 04 2500 Hemi 4x4 was a beast but no match for my Diesel even when it was 325hp and 610tq stock .
Do what you wish just think about it.
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Fo Sure sounds like a great time then maby we can take the Quads out for a walk.
sounds like a plan to me.
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I have an 04 6.0 powerstroke with 287,000 with no problems....what most people don't understand about the 6.0's is it has a V.G.T.( variable geometry turbo) the veins actually change pitch when the engine is under a load. The veins are hydraulically actuated which means they work off of oil pressure.. The fuel injectors also work off of oil pressure... With That being said if you don't maintain your oil religiously your setting your self up for failed parts! The 6.0s also has an EGR system( Exhaust Gas Recirculation ) which circulates raw exhaust through a cooling system in the intake and then back through the engine, resulting in cooler cylinder temps but also reducing fuel mileage. You can ulplug the egr system boosting fuel mileage buy 2-3 mpg around town instantly.. I get 18-20 mpg unloaded and 14 or 15 with a 10,000# load...The 6.0 has more power and twice the torque as the 7.3. It is also backed buy one of the best transmissions ever built but if you don't plan on maintaining it don't buy one because it wont last...Most people who have had problems with the 6.0 have been the root cause of the problem!
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Full Pull ,, i agree,, a gas burner cant compete with the pulling power of a diesel but if the dude who started this thread isnt gonna pull something that is over 8000 lbs regularly,,, i wouldnt advise in spending the extra 10k for the diesel.

I like diesels, my ideal truck would be... a ford truck, dodge cummins engine, and a chevy allison trans!!
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Yup their are pros and cons to bouth.
but people do weard things like change their minds and buy bigger campers or want to go Fast.
I dont know what is rte for him just my opinion.
If the thought is their and you can afford it .
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I have an 04 6.0 powerstroke with 287,000 with no problems....what most people don't understand about the 6.0's is it has a V.G.T.( variable geometry turbo) the veins actually change pitch when the engine is under a load. The veins are hydraulically actuated which means they work off of oil pressure.. The fuel injectors also work off of oil pressure... With That being said if you don't maintain your oil religiously your setting your self up for failed parts! The 6.0s also has an EGR system( Exhaust Gas Recirculation ) which circulates raw exhaust through a cooling system in the intake and then back through the engine, resulting in cooler cylinder temps but also reducing fuel mileage. You can ulplug the egr system boosting fuel mileage buy 2-3 mpg around town instantly.. I get 18-20 mpg unloaded and 14 or 15 with a 10,000# load...The 6.0 has more power and twice the torque as the 7.3. It is also backed buy one of the best transmissions ever built but if you don't plan on maintaining it don't buy one because it wont last...Most people who have had problems with the 6.0 have been the root cause of the problem!
My buddy has an 04 6.0 and he is going through the injector game rte now and he has one of thoes fs2000 oil systems .
He just did thr egr delete and the shop did not put new oil gaskets in and down the road he lost most of his oil.
Not a happy camper.
The kit does not come with new gaskets so if you do it make sure u put new one's in.
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Looking at 3/4 ton 4x4 and I do tow a 5000# camper from time to time. I would also have my 4 wheeler in the bed.. So there is some weight involved.. I also only put about 10,000 miles a year on a truck.. they get drove during deer season and sometimes on the weekends during the off season.
You don't need a 3/4 ton or a diesel to do that. My old beat up '97 Dodge with the 5.2 will easily tow 5000lbs with a 4 wheeler in the bed.
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Diesel with some aftermarket parts. Awesome power and decent gas mileage. And when you hit 200K, its just gettin' broke in right. I think extra money to buy one is recovered in longevity and resale value.
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like everyone else says, get the diesel if your gonna do some serious pullin. I personally like my 06 chevy 2500, much quieter engine than the 05 dodge i had. Ive seen a lot of diesels last well over 200k and some that bust the headstuds at 80k. just depends on how you treat it. I love my duramax cause im always pullin my 28ft camper around. i never owned a chevy till now and love the comfort of this truck, but as far as aftermarket and sheer torque the dodge beats my chevy. I never really like the fords, just some ugly trucks to me. All the diesels are good engines, other than the 6 point uh oh and 6.4 powerstrokes. be prepared for oilburner fever. cause seein that black smoke roll is an addictive and expensive habit
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