Official RAGE bashing thread!

[Flaustin1]

Ok guys. ..here we go! Im starting this thread just to see if im the only one that has had trouble with the heads. I know most people love em so for the guys that do, please be courteous and dont post smart comments or tell us we're crazy for saying there not the best head on the market. If youve had a bad experience with them post it here. I had one open up on me mid-flight and caused me to miss. I tried the same head twice with new o-rings both times. It opened and planed severly twice.

[Blisterapine]

I have only shot one deer with em, seemed to work well enough. I don't like the way they rattle and open up in my quiver , I'm always checking it while it's loaded in my bow to make sure it's not getting loose while i'm hunten. If they would stay together it would be fine , they fly great IMOP

[Bambibuster21]

Its like throwing an AXE through an ANIMAL!!! lol

[shadow2]

dont we have enough of these all ready...all Rage theads become bashing ones...should be some good reading though

[mauser64]

It's not the rage heads that bug me. They do what they are designed to do, which is to kill game. It's the yahoos that post pictures of holes in animals and brag about it that I don't like. Most all of us have seen the inside of a deer before and know what it looks like and we know what bullets and broadheads do when used properly. But I guess if it makes a person feel better about their kill to show everybody what kind of damage they can do to the flesh of their quarry more power to em!

[killNgrill]

Never shot rage, but the only problems I've had with broadheads are improperly tuned bow for lack of penetration and shot placement. Neither of which are the broadheads fault.

[GA DAWG]

I dont blame my downfalls on the equipment usually...When something goes wrong its usually my fault..

[BIGRNYRS]

I love the Rage. Can't wait to shoot the new 125 grain heads this year.

[Arrow3]

I killed 2 deer with them...I wasnt all that impressed...."IF" you make a perfect shot, yes they destroy the animal....Huge hole, big blood trail....If the shot is just a fraction off you could be in big trouble....Ive had better luck with other broadheads in these cases....Plus I couldnt stand the way they did in my quiver....I have no need to shoot them...The ones I shoot do just as good, if not better for half the price...

[thompsonsz71]

if you dont put it where it counts, theres nothing thats gonna help you all that much.... will be totin the rages and reapers this year

[reylamb]

I will say this, you could not give me another 3 blade rage head. My personal experience with the 3 blades has been enough for me to never shoot them again.

Having said that, I have nothing but good things to say about the 2 blade heads. They have performed flawlessly for me.

Do you need to check them to make sure they are closed properly? Yes.

Can they open in a quiver and rattle? Yes. It is a good practice to check any broadhead tipped arrow prior to putting it on the string when hunting, regardless of what broadhead it is.

Can one or both blades open upon release? You betcha, especially with some of the super duper speed bows on the market today. Heck, I watched Randy Ulmer loose a Rage shootout at the ATA show because he had blades open upon release, and he completely missed the target at 100 yards. There is a simple fix to that, put a rubber band at the top of the blades.

Personally, and this may hurt some folks feelings, I believe a bunch of Rage problems come from poorly tuned bows. It is a poperly misconception that a bow does not need to be tuned if an individual is going to shoot mechanicals. Simply put, that is a false impression. This design, again IMO, is one that does not lend itself well to being shot out of poorly tuned bows. If the arrow is wobbling around all over the place the arrows will get poor penetration, and in my testing I have found that it is possible for 1 or both blades to not open if the arrow does not enter straight. I would love to get my hands on some of these bows from folks claiming Rage failures, just to see how well they are tuned.

Are they for everyone? Nope, probably not. Ever year though I see folks toting broadheads around that I would not shoot because of their design, I just keep my mouth shut and move on.

[death-from-above]

Originally Posted by reylamb

I will say this, you could not give me another 3 blade rage head. My personal experience with the 3 blades has been enough for me to never shoot them again.

Having said that, I have nothing but good things to say about the 2 blade heads. They have performed flawlessly for me.

Do you need to check them to make sure they are closed properly? Yes.

Can they open in a quiver and rattle? Yes. It is a good practice to check any broadhead tipped arrow prior to putting it on the string when hunting, regardless of what broadhead it is.

Can one or both blades open upon release? You betcha, especially with some of the super duper speed bows on the market today. Heck, I watched Randy Ulmer loose a Rage shootout at the ATA show because he had blades open upon release, and he completely missed the target at 100 yards. There is a simple fix to that, put a rubber band at the top of the blades.

Personally, and this may hurt some folks feelings, I believe a bunch of Rage problems come from poorly tuned bows. It is a poperly misconception that a bow does not need to be tuned if an individual is going to shoot mechanicals. Simply put, that is a false impression. This design, again IMO, is one that does not lend itself well to being shot out of poorly tuned bows. If the arrow is wobbling around all over the place the arrows will get poor penetration, and in my testing I have found that it is possible for 1 or both blades to not open if the arrow does not enter straight. I would love to get my hands on some of these bows from folks claiming Rage failures, just to see how well they are tuned.

Are they for everyone? Nope, probably not. Ever year though I see folks toting broadheads around that I would not shoot because of their design, I just keep my mouth shut and move on.

A very wise man once said...

[alligood729]

Good post Jeff. On the other hand, I've killed 6 in the last 3 seaons, 6 shots, 6 dead deer, with the 3 blade. Haven't had one to open during flight, and I shoot my X Force at 315fps....never had one open in the quiver, but I use a Quickee Quiver with the two arrow grippers, so I never put them up into the holder inside the head of the quiver. Not one of the 6 made it past 50yds, 4 inside of 40 and in sight. Not little ones either, full grown horsehead nannies...I'm not really sure what to say about the posts that say they won't penetrate on marginal hits either, or break bone....
I shot one doe two seasons ago, exited the off shoulder, directly thru the shoulder blade, not the bone mind you, but completely thru the scapula, I guess you would call it. Then, last season, I shot one at about 8yds, pretty steep angle, went in high behind the near shoulder, both lungs and heart, and exited thru her "armpit". I was really shocked to see my fletchings hanging out of her side when she ran off, but when the arrow hit her, it knocked her onto her brisket, and she shoveled dirt like a bulldozer for about 10yds before she made it to all fours. She dragged the arrow out as she scooted along, when I found her, I saw that the complete passthru was prevented when the arrow came out the armpit, and shattered, and I mean shattered to pieces, the leg bone right above the knuckle of her knee, so don't tell me they only work on broadside or quartering rib shots.....
All that being said, I will be shooting Ramcats this season, on the recommendation of my PSE rep...Jim Landrum. If he says they are the bomb, then I believe him. After seeing the head he had that had blown thru two hogs already, and was almost sharp enough to shoot again, well, you know.......

[dustin_horne]

Rage Titanium! Its like throwing your wallet through animal!

I see Rage BH's as a bandwagon fad.......... I don't see them staying popular like some of the tried and true. Muzzys, Thunderheads,Spitfires, and some of the others that people are still shooting after 10 years.

[waits]

i have never had problems with them shot the two and three blade versions. i do not believe however that they will not be the cure all for all the people that continue take poor shots. Or continue to make bad shots

[work2play]

Originally Posted by dustin_horne

Rage Titanium! Its like throwing your wallet through animal!

I see Rage BH's as a bandwagon fad.......... I don't see them staying popular like some of the tried and true. Muzzys, Thunderheads,Spitfires, and some of the others that people are still shooting after 10 years.

i disagree Dus, i'd be willing to bet that they talley up more kills nationwide than any other BH combined-i'd sure like to know anyway

[Booner Killa]

Originally Posted by work2play

i disagree Dus, i'd be willing to bet that they talley up more kills nationwide than any other BH combined-i'd sure like to know anyway

I'd take that bet!Reason being, I wouldn't dream of trying to shoot any other animal in the country with a RAGE head other than a little ole southeastern whitetail. I would venture to say most if not all outfitters in the country don't allow RAGE heads.

[nwgahunter]

[quote=I would venture to say most if not all outfitters in the country don't allow RAGE heads.[/QUOTE]

SOOO that's why the Drury's hunt their own property

Whoops, forgot about Hadley Creek and Tara Wildlife.

[work2play]

Chuck Adams.....

[the Lackster]

Originally Posted by Booner Killa

I'd take that bet!Reason being, I wouldn't dream of trying to shoot any other animal in the country with a RAGE head other than a little ole southeastern whitetail. I would venture to say most if not all outfitters in the country don't allow RAGE heads.

Alright now lets be fair, they all make good ones and they all make bad ones. Except muzzy the are all bad ones. BAD THREW THE BONE!!!!!!

[Flaustin1]

Like ive said in previous threads, when they work they are awesome but when they fail . . (i.e. open up in mid flight) . they can cause some mad hunters. And yes the broadhead was closed before the release. I made three kills with them before the mishap and neither one of the three animals made it outta sight. But with that being said is the performance of the head really worth taken the chance. If i wouldve been shootin at the big ten ive hunted for 2 seasons when it happened I would have been more than a little ill. Im just gonna stick to good old fashioned cut on contact fixed blades. Harder to tune but never fail when they are placed properly through an animal

[BIGRNYRS]

I guess I could throw some numbers at you but I will not. Lets just say that for the last four years another member here and I have killed well over 40 animals with the Rage two blade. Never had on open in flight, never had a problem with them in my quiver, unless I caused it. I am completely OCD when it comes to bow and arrow tune. Anybody here that knows me can vouch for me on that. I believe that a lot, not all, but a large majority of "failures" are preventable. I too feel like Jeff, poor arrow/bow tune causes more failures, poor penetration and lost animals than any particular broadhead. Between me and the other member I'm talking about that I hunt with, there are few on here who shoot more animals a year. Deer, hogs, coyote, ect. I personally am taking Rage 2 Blade 125's to Colorado for an Elk hunt and have no concerns about it. I've what they do on monster hogs. Trash it if you want. I personally would not use those cheap no flyin Muzzy broadheads myself, but when I ran the shop I sold a ton of them. Bottom line, what ever equipment gives you consistant, repeatable results use it. That is all that matters. I do not make a single dollar when a pack of Rage broadheads are sold, but I will tell you this. I do not believe all the crap I hear. So there.

[Wack&Stackn08]

Originally Posted by BIGRNYRS

I guess I could throw some numbers at you but I will not. Lets just say that for the last four years another member here and I have killed well over 40 animals with the Rage two blade. Never had on open in flight, never had a problem with them in my quiver, unless I caused it. I am completely OCD when it comes to bow and arrow tune. Anybody here that knows me can vouch for me on that. I believe that a lot, not all, but a large majority of "failures" are preventable. I too feel like Jeff, poor arrow/bow tune causes more failures, poor penetration and lost animals than any particular broadhead. Between me and the other member I'm talking about that I hunt with, there are few on here who shoot more animals a year. Deer, hogs, coyote, ect. I personally am taking Rage 2 Blade 125's to Colorado for an Elk hunt and have no concerns about it. I've what they do on monster hogs. Trash it if you want. I personally would not use those cheap no flyin Muzzy broadheads myself, but when I ran the shop I sold a ton of them. Bottom line, what ever equipment gives you consistant, repeatable results use it. That is all that matters. I do not make a single dollar when a pack of Rage broadheads are sold, but I will tell you this. I do not believe all the crap I hear. So there.

THE END!!!

[tournament fisher]

reapers,grim reapers,reapers, those are the real good mechanicals in my book and i have killed alot of deer and hogs with them/

[Gatorb]

junk

[m1rt2n3]

but there on t.v there not geting my money

[deerassassin22]

All I got to say is if you hate your RAGE 2 Blades broken or damaged shoot me a PM I'll take them. Love my 2 Blades never had an issue.

[Flaustin1]

BIGRNYRS are you really gonna try them on elk? I cant believe you found an outfitter(assuming youre using one) that will let you use them. As I said when they work theyre great but believe me or not i had one come open in mid flight. My bow was tuned properly and everything was in order. I looked down at the broadhead to make sure the blades where closed before i drew the bow. I never had a penetration problem and im not complaining about there performance on game. i do believe however that an elk is a little to heavily built for ANY mechanical. I was just posting this to see if anyone else has had that problem. Deerassasin. . .if i can get that head out of the oak tree behind and to the right of my target ill be glad to send it to you. as for the others they are GONE!

[FLGobstopper]

Before Rage I shot the 2 blade 100grn Snyper for years and had great success with it. I was not a big fan when the Rage 2 blade came out because of the lack of rubberband and the increased blade angle along with the change from a 1.5" opening to 2".

But, last year that all changed when they came out with the 40ke Rage. It's basically the same angle and everything as the old Snypers but minus the rubberband (which I still don't care for). I bought a few last year, shot a few dear and I've been real happy with it so far. 3 dead deer within sight, great blood trails, and complete pass throughs just like the old Snypers. On each of these deer I could of (but didn't) taken the head off screwed it on another arrow and easily killed another deer with them because the blades were perfectly intact and still very sharp. They've held up well and fly like darts so for me I'm happy. Of course these were fortunately all about perfect behind the shoulder shots at close range deer and had nothing to cut through but a little rib, heart and lungs.

All though I've killed a good number of hogs with the Snypers in the past I'm just not sure about the Rage yet. It could just be me but it seems the blades are a little flimsier than the Snyper. We'll see!

[Booner Killa]

I tried em like most folks on this thread. I've killed a couple with a Rage and I think for the most part, they're a pretty good head. I'm not going to shoot em though. I think they can fail too easily and that hurts my confidence. Like Jeff said, they can open in flight and that's all I need to know! If I don't have complete confidence in it, I ain't shootin it!

[Jim54]

I've tried the 2 blade just to see what the "rage" was all about. Shot a deer (good hit)and although I did recover it, there was very little blood and instead of there being a hole there was this 2" cut/slice.

But the main reason that I don't use a mech. head is why add another element that may fail into the mix? A large fixed blade head will fly just as well, when properly tuned, and have zero chance of not opening well or opening at release. Every outfitter I've used or talked to on out west hunts do not allow mech. heads on there hunts, they must have a reason.

[MathewsHunter1]

I have said it on other threads and I will say it again here. It is NOT just Rage heads it is ALL Mechs that have the POTENTIAL to fail. Whether it be opening in flight, failing to open properly when entering an animal, or they break on a bad hit. They ALL have the POTENTIAL.

Bowhunters have enough to worry about when hunting any animal. A thousand questions enter your mind when that deer, hog, etc... comes into your set-up. The last thing I want to ask myself is, will my broadhead perform as advertised??

This is why I will never use a mechanical head again no matter how well the manufacturer or users say it is!

Rest threads have popped up with archers giving their reasons for using the Whisker Biscuit. The best and only reason I could get out of it was to reduce the POTENTIAL of the arrow falling off the rest. I for one, I would rather practice keeping the arrow on the rest and having a more accurate shot on the animal than use one.

Bottom-line is, it is all in the conception of the user, and everyone has opinions. If you believe and have confidence in your equipment, this may make you a better bowhunter! HOWEVER, always take everything into their proper perspective. Weigh the Pros & Cons of your decisions. Manufacturers may not sell a product that necessarily works, "every time"!

[BIGRNYRS]

Oh yeah, I have no reservations at all about shooting an elk with the Rage. I do not want to turn this into an ethical/not ethical shot discussion, however I take the first shot at the vitals regardless of angle. I pass thru every deer I shoot. Bust scapulas, break bones, and all that good stuff. There is a "holes that Rage made" thread on here somewhere that has a ton of pics from me to prove it. I have smoked big hogs with a rage. Having said that I would be very selective in shot angle on a elk but feel very confident in the heads ability to kill them. I've seen several killed with a rage. We are going DIY, no outfitter. OTC unit.

[T.P.]

Call me a simpleton.....

But I don't have to worry about Premature blade openings, rattling, opening in quiver, what kind of quiver will work, snagging on brush and opening, constantly checking to make sure they are closed and other worries with a fixed blade.

And deer are just as dead with a muzzy fixed blade. But shoot what you like, I tried 'em for one season and that was enough.

[BIGRNYRS]

T.P., love that avatar

[T.P.]

Originally Posted by BIGRNYRS

T.P., love that avatar

Too me, he was a bad man.....

[THUNDER CHICKEN]

G5 enough said

[bilgerat]

Muzzy

[mattech]

I have been shooting rage since they came out about 4 yrs, or at least think that's when they came out. I have never lost a deer and always have pass thru's. I will say this, they are high maintenance as far as carefully putting them in you quiver and keeping the blades seated. as for the opening in flight I can say I have never had one do that even during practice shoots. What I think alot of people do not do is seat the blade's lip under the o-ring.what I mean by that is when you are seating the blade take your fingernail and pull the o-ring out of the concave part of the head just slightly toward the arrow,then seat the blade and let the 0-ring rest on top of the blades (what i call is it's finger) the little curved part should be embedded under the o-ring to completely lock it down until it is forced open by it's target. Again yes it is high maintenance and it is not for everyone, but if you are willing to put up with this it is a great head and will slap slice a deer open.

[kevincox]

never had to try them..Nap 100's do a awesome job for me

[ETK]

I have killed two deer with the two blade and I am well satisfied. One of them is the 240 pound nine point in my avatar. You can see I had no problem with the exit hole. Let's just all hunt with what we like and let everyone else do the same. Good luck with whatever head you shoot!

[HEADHUNTER11]

I have shot 3 deer with them, and 3 deer were recovered in 60 yards (2 blade) I have no problem with them.

[bdillard]

they are good broadheads..havent lost a deer yet with em

[Flaustin1]

BIGRNYRS, im looking foward to seeing that kill shot come fall.

[DOUBLE LUNG 311]

I think they should put a 800 number for trail dogs on the back of the pack. I put my trail dog on two deer shot with 2blade heads last year, both shots were 12 rings and both deer went 200 plus yards giving very little blood. Neither of the heads opened properly. Mechanical heads are like anything else mechanical, it isnt if it is going to fail it's when. I am no professional but I know how much hard work bowhunting can be. Hate to see anyone lose a deer because of a broadhead. My advice is find a good fixed head that flys well and put it in the pump station. Take the guess work out of it.

[rta47]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE LUNG 311

I think they should put a 800 number for trail dogs on the back of the pack.

[ClydeWigg3]

Who needs one more thing in the back of their head when your making a shot? With a Muzzy I don't have to think about a blade falling out (openning in flight) and causing my arrow to hit the dirt. I think this fad will slowy wain. Archers will slowly return to the tried and true.

[BIGRNYRS]

I know several shop owners and for the last few years Rage has been the #1 selling broadhead. I guess the reason I have been so successful with them is that I do not have any concerns in the back of my head. I tune my stuff and when an animal gets in front of me all I do is concentrate on the opposite shoulder. Just to compare, I think Muzzys spiral in flight. They changed the quality of material they use in the ferrel and since then it takes three packs to get six heads that all hit in the same place. But others swear by them.

[ClydeWigg3]

I know several shop owners and for the last few years Rage has been the #1 selling broadhead.

One reason is that Rage has paid all these "celebrity hunters" big money to advertise for them, so it's all you see on TV. However, when you watch the hunting shows all I see anymore is a deer running off with 20" of arrow sticking out of his side.

I think Muzzys spiral in flight.

Yes, they do if you have a helical on your vanes. Sprialing helps stabilization in flight. I always thought that was the idea?

it takes three packs to get six heads that all hit in the same place. But others swear by them.

Never had that problem, shooting either 4 blade or 3 blade models. Maybe if you're arrows spiraled you wouldn't have that problem??

[GAMEDIC]

I hear people say they opened up in flight.how can you tell? its hard enough to see the arrow some times in flight let alone the broad head on it,must be a really slow bow.