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Old 04-19-2011, 10:14 AM
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Deer density varies greatly in Georgia, but with an average density of 25-30 deer per square mile, a rule of thumb to keep a level deer herd is harvesting 33% to 40% of your deer herd every year. So that is about 10 deer per every 600 acres. More in some areas, less in others.

The density in Georgia is the lowest it has been in several years. That was by design as the state was above the carrying capacity and the lowered numbers have produced higher quality deer and sustainable browse lines.

But the population is lower now and it is up to landowners and club presidents to help preserve the deer herd. The DNR has given everyone the tools to manage their own land (that is why the doe limit is so high, to allow large property owners the ability to reduce their herd size). But that doesn't mean everyone needs to kill their limit of does! "It depends on your property" is the answer to any question about your deer harvest numbers.

These 1000 acre clubs with 15 members really need to be a thing of the past. I know alot of folks don't have the money to be in higher acreage clubs, but it is either less members or limiting members to 1 deer each. Neither of these is popular.

If folks don't want the deer herd to get smaller, its time to make some hard harvest decisions and club decisions.
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Old 04-19-2011, 02:50 PM
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13,400 acres.
45+/- members.
100 +/- deer harvested for the last 5 years.

works out to around 5-6 deer harvested per 600 acres, or 1 deer harvested per 128 acres. not sure what the actual population would be, but there were many deer shot at and missed last year too.

on my 500 acre lease, we average 4-5 deer killed a year.
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bobby bond dnr agent out of fort valley came out to our club in crawford co. and told us we needed to kill one doe for every 100 acres of land. this was to keep the heard in check for our deer population. we have averaged 5 bucks a year over 3 years old. we have 2300 acres and 30 members seems to work for us.
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Old 04-19-2011, 04:11 PM
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I maybe overkilling but on my small 150 acres, between 4 of us we have taken at least 7 Deer a year for last three years. And I believe there are more deer now than ever before.
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Old 04-19-2011, 08:13 PM
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We have a small 270 acre lease and I will be surprised if we do not take more than 5 deer off of it.... that would be roughly 11 on 600 acres.

We have hunted the same farm in Bulloch County GA for 25+ years now - about 300 acres - and we often take 8-10 does off of it each year - and they just keep pouring back in there...

SC deer totals are at a low point right now... not sure if it is coyotes or what - because we are actually selling less licenses now.
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i usually take a buck (if its a shooter) and 2 does off my 140 acres every yr. has worked fine for me. see plenty of deer every yr
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We have a small 270 acre lease and I will be surprised if we do not take more than 5 deer off of it.... that would be roughly 11 on 600 acres.

We have hunted the same farm in Bulloch County GA for 25+ years now - about 300 acres - and we often take 8-10 does off of it each year - and they just keep pouring back in there...

SC deer totals are at a low point right now... not sure if it is coyotes or what - because we are actually selling less licenses now.
We saw more deer this season in the LC than we ever have..but heard rumors that yotes have moved back in. Trappers have been having great luck since end of deer season.
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We took 9 off of 300 this season. I think we took 12 off the same 300 the previous year counting the one I lost with my bow as a kill. That doesn't count the ones that a member we kicked out killed but didn't tell us about. We suspect there may have been several of those. Got a feeling that it may be a slow season on that property this year.
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The herd can recover from a 30% kill rate without considering yotes into the recruitment rates.

A kill rate in Georgia of anything more than 9 deer per square mile (640 acres) IS reducing the herd. Like it or don't, that is a biological fact...
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Sounds like most folks on this thread know what they are doing..

Jeff you are absolutely right. There are some exceptions for high density counties in the eastern part of the state but otherwise your numbers are pretty close.

My worry is that tons of clubs out there are harvesting way too many deer, then blaming coyotes, the DNR, Florida hunters, etc. for the declining deer herd.
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The herd can recover from a 30% kill rate without considering yotes into the recruitment rates.

A kill rate in Georgia of anything more than 9 deer per square mile (640 acres) IS reducing the herd. Like it or don't, that is a biological fact...
Again you cannot paint with such a broadbrush and be accurate for every locale within the state. We have averaged 30 does a year for the last 8 years off of my 1325 acres and yet we still have more numbers every year to the extent that late in this past season I saw my first evidence of what I considered to be overbrowsing of less than desirable foods. Analyzing our kill records shows that our does weights have been declining also. Our goal this season is 45 does.

The 10 doe limit gives us the ability to manage the herd in our area even though we bring in guest to kill most of the does. We will be planting additional acres of late season food plots. Each locale needs to be managed according to its actual herd dynamics.
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Each locale needs to be managed according to its actual herd dynamics.
Biology is based on facts.

You may have started with high doe numbers, higher overall population, or you may have large unhunted properties around you. If you kill 30% of the herd your population is stable, any more than that and it is declining.
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Biology is based on facts.

You may have started with high doe numbers, higher overall population, or you may have large unhunted properties around you. If you kill 30% of the herd your population is stable, any more than that and it is declining.
Actually, like any other science, it is based on the scientific method, which is based on hypothesis and experimentation.
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over the last three seasons we've avg. 5 doe and 2 bucks per year,...that is on 1280 acres in Butts co. with 8 hunters...but we do have yotes
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Not us, we've been very conservative with our harvest. And it's paying off per trail cameras pictures we're getting.
We averaged about 7 deer per 600 acres for the last two years. Most of our members pass on does and young bucks.
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I know of clubs averaging 50 acres/member or less, with membership rights allowing the member, spouse and kids to all harvest deer under the membership.

Their 50 acres averages to about .78 deer for that membership. Less than one deer per membership would be a sustainable harvest, but instead each membership takes several deer wiping out the population quickly. Clubs like that need to be a thing of the past or the deer herd will continue to fall.
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Stats for the last three years are 9, 20, 18 on 900 acres. No sign of decline. You just can't tell how many deer leave or enter your property.
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Deer don't recognize property lines. It is not unusual for at least 1 of the neighboring properties to be underhunted while another may be overhunted.

IMO the 30% harvest goal has to be calculated based on the entire range of the herd and not just your club property...impossible in most cases.
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The herd can recover from a 30% kill rate without considering yotes into the recruitment rates.

A kill rate in Georgia of anything more than 9 deer per square mile (640 acres) IS reducing the herd. Like it or don't, that is a biological fact...
No its not.
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We have 2400 acres 15 members and usually take right at 40 deer a season which comes out to about 6 per acre harvested.
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Actually, like any other science, it is based on the scientific method, which is based on hypothesis and experimentation.
Data and methodology are the route to conclusion. There is no standard which will apply to every acre of the State. There is too much variation. There are acres of land that can support zero deer. And, there are zero acres which will support unlimited deer.
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It is a general rule folks. If you are taking a few more deer than 10/600 acres you aren't doing too much damage. It may not be enough in some parts of the state that can sustain a higher harvest because they have more deer.

The point of the post was really the 1000 acre clubs that kills 30 deer.. or the 300 acre club taking 15 deer. Its the clubs who aren't trying to manage their harvest related the deer density.

The clubs that are killing way more than their density allowed, these are the ones that are really causing the decline.
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IMO the 30% harvest goal has to be calculated based on the entire range of the herd and not just your club property...impossible in most cases.
I was talking about the cumulative effect on the statewide deer population, not just one individual club. Yes, its difficult to shoot up a small club because deer will fill in from other areas, but all of this does take a toll on the herd.

My point was that all clubs need to keep deer density in mind regarding their harvest goals. I don't think alot of clubs realize exactly how many deer they have and how many they can actually harvest to keep a level population.
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:39 AM
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Obviously, the 30% rule is not and will not be popular. But it is the truth and it applies to all properties.
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I think the 30% rule was ok 10-15 years ago. With the increase in coyotes and their predation on fawns, I think any property using the 30% rule will see a drastic decrease in their herd.
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:50 AM
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We average 13 deer off 650 acres per year.
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We killed 8 does and 3 bucks on 850 acres last year, the year before we killed 8 does and 1 buck. So I believe we're ok.
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Obviously, the 30% rule is not and will not be popular. But it is the truth and it applies to all properties.
Jeff where are you getting this Data? I would like to read over it.

I know what I have killed and it would be overkill and your Data would say doing harm to the herd. Although I have seen the number of deer increase every year and I have taken at least 7 deer off of a 150 acre area a season for last 3.
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Data and methodology are the route to conclusion. There is no standard which will apply to every acre of the State. There is too much variation. There are acres of land that can support zero deer. And, there are zero acres which will support unlimited deer.
I disagree with the statement in red. Data and experimentation are the route to support or not support your hypothesis. There really is no "conclusion" in science. I absolutely agree with the rest.
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Sure this will make some people say yea right but on our 721 acre club we kill 30 + deer every year for the last 10 years. Club stays heavy populated but still can't get members.
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350 acres we have taken between 20-25 deer a year for the last10 years
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We have 2400 acres 15 members and usually take right at 40 deer a season which comes out to about 6 per acre harvested.
....... You might want to recalculate your figures again!

By my calculations I come up with a harvest ratio of one deer per 60 acres.... (2,400 acres / 40 deer = 60 acres per deer harvested)

The number of members you have in your club does not have any relevance to the equation....

If you did indeed harvest 6 deer per acre then that figures out to a total of 14,400 deer killed on your 2,400 acres... (6 x 2,400 = 14,400)

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We average 6 bucks, 8 pt or better 17 inch min, on our 550 acres in Dooly County. We also have been trying to take 10-15 does a year as none of the properties around us shoot does.
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I think each tract is different, some areas may only have 25-30 deer per sq mile while others may have 50+. I hunt two different clubs in the same county,in one club we have tried to trophy manage and we have only killed 8 bucks and maybe 6 does in 6 seasons. It consists of 420 ac but it is surrounded by a wma and when they have a gun hunt they do an awful lot of shooting, Im sure killing the very same deer we have let go. We are wondering if we are fighting a losing battle. We have had trail cam pics of deer in the 120-130 range and even one in the 150's the first year. We have let countless small bucks even small 8's go only never to see them again. There dont seem to be many does around and for the most part not alot of deer period. Now, on the other lease there are deer everywhere and some of the members are trigger happy but it doesnt seem to matter. It consists of 600 ac and we avg about 40 deer a year . My buddy and I got in that club about 4 yrs ago and would love to trophy manage that property but there are old timers who have hunted there for years and they have always killed what they wanted to. It doesnt seem to hurt anything as it not uncommon at times to see 10-15 deer at a time in the plots. WE dont want to step on any toes so I guess we will continue to try to trophy hunt and let them do there thing until someone with some authority can influence them. The adjoining properties do trophy manage so that surely helps. The first property I mentioned that adjoins the wma doesnt have much of a chance because the guys that hunt that wma DONT manage nothing, they shoot everything, or so it seems. Anyway, I know that deer densities can vary greatly in a ten mile range and what works for one property may not work on another.
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:32 PM
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Any of these super deer factory leases got any openings???
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I agree with the biology studies and percentages can work most of the time , with that said ALL property is not the same. I hunted a lease with big mature trees, no cutover and very few thick areas, and hardly saw a deer or sign, No cover, very little browse, compared to another property with all cutover and small planted pines there are way more deer on the second property because of cover and food source.And as the trees grow it all changes.
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We hunt 1100 acres and over the past 5 years, our deer harvest/acre is as follows:

2006: 1 per 125 acres
2007: 1 per 123.6 acres
2008: 1 per 42.8 acres
2009: 1 per 80.0 acres
2010: 1 per 86.2 acres

The large range in harvests is due to the doe harvest quota set for certain years. Depending on the doe population (based on sightings and trail cameras), we set a doe quota for each season. We have been trying to keep the doe:buck ratio between 2:1 and 1:1.
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We have been hunting 200 acres is Laurens Co. for going on 14 years. When we bought it there were a fair number of does and a low number of young bucks. We asume it was a brown and its down property previous to our ownership. We shot alot of does (10 per year avg.) and harvested nothing mature or otherwise for bucks with the exception of a couple kids 1st kills that were 4's and 6's for about 5 year's. For the next 5 years we killed around 10 does and a couple mature bucks per year. For the last 4 years we have been harvesting 2 to 3 good bucks and around 5 does per year. Our deer numbers are good. We rarely make a trip without everyone at least seeing deer. The quantity and quality useing that plan on 200 acres has worked well for us.
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Just as many already thought:

Everyone's club is special. They can kill 50% of the herd every year and miracle of miracles the herd rebounds with no ill effect. All the does on these special properties drop 4 fawns every year
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They can kill 50% of the herd every year and miracle of miracles the herd rebounds with no ill effect. All the does on these special properties drop 4 fawns every year

You are correct. Any club that is harvesting that many is exploiting their herd as well as the neighbors.
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Any of these super deer factory leases got any openings???
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=618750

we kill about 20-25 a yr. i have several tc picks with 7-10 deer at a time.
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10 deer in one year on 150 acres??? Please stay in North Carolina.
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we kill about 20-25 a yr. i have several tc picks with 7-10 deer at a time.
9 members on less than 500 acres killing 20+ per year?

You either have large unhunted neighbors or you are wiping out the herd...
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well professor jeff, we been doin this 15 yrs and aint had a problem! if u seen the ad u seen the pics. what helps us out is the 1000s of ac 0f beans and corn around us. we see a rut in nov and in dec. last season 1st week of nov i saw 5 different bucks chasen` the same doe at the same time. then the next mornin i saw an 8pt chasen a doe to my right on the powerline and a 8pt to my left chasen` a different doe thats 7 different bucks in 2 days of huntn and i didnt pull the trigger on anything. so does it sound like we have a problem? i want to hear from the Woodys team of experts.............
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I know of many clubs in the Piedmont that had the same kind of history as your club. Killed piles of deer for years. Now other clubs with the same hunter density join those clubs, they all think they need to shoot does for the freezer, and deer sightings are rare.

Your club is .78 of a square mile. To sustain your kill rate the population needs to be right at 100 deer per square mile.
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u may be right in theory, but when i sit in a stand say 8 days a month for 3 months outa the yr and i see 75 deer. your theroy dont mean squat to me. yeah we have 9 members but 4 outa 9 never show up and when they do they only hunt 4-5 times a yr.
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:04 PM
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habitat controls the number of deer on any property, not hunting pressure, not number of deer kills , not yotes.....

Biological fact....

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Old 05-05-2011, 12:12 PM
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this would only work if you have a very large tract of land or it is fenced in. because i shot the same amount of deer every year and some years the deer are really moving and some they are not.
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